Post-Game Talk: Lightning III

[bbny]

Game 4: Panarin - Copp - Kravtsov

 

[PuckLuck3043]

You apparently haven’t ever seen any other fan bases.

I usually don't go on other boards.

 

[Machinehead]

yeah and the 2nd unit never doing anything is almost 100% because Trouba 9 out of 10 times takes some dumb big windup slapshot that never ever ever goes in the net and then that's it for the power play.

This is a really good point that I didn't even think about. Like, we wonder why that unit has been so bad.

People talk about Fox not shooting "heavy" but he gets shots through and into dangerous areas better than anyone in the league.

Trouba went to the Matthieu Schneider academy of shooting 140 MPH and not even looking.

For a point man on the PP, I always thought it was an overrated skill. It's one thing from the circle, but on D it's further out, it doesn't completely cross the royal road, and they're lined up right in front of you.

For a guy who's like 7'3", Miller rarely rears back and just gets it to the net. I like that.

 

[ajdj10]

Panarin better be bloody injured.
He's been atrocious this season.
Forget his offense, what happened to the Panarin that first came here with his constant defense efforts and takeaways.
I can't recall him having any takeaways in forever.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

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Maybe I'm being a bit hard on Vatrano but I don't think I'm wrong in saying he's in that Pirri/Duclair/Frolov mold of "might score a goal or two" being his entire resume.

I don't think this team needs that at all and the line he's on sure as f*** doesn't need that.

I get what they added him because he has nice speed but he doesn't really use it to accomplish much and Motte is the guy that really could be that role player we need in the top 9. Just don't break up the Kid Line.

Swap Motte and Vatrano, that's literally all I said. Let Vatrano play on the PP and hide him on the 4th line.

I agree with this 100% but you also said none of the lines really work and to make some changes. You even talked about breaking up the kid line which is a big no.

Copp will morph into Strome if he is signed and plays on the Panarin line.

Then if they don't sign Strome or Copp who plays on the Panarin line?

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Remember, WE played poorly. That was the best Tampa has to offer.

Play our game, and we win the series.

Or they actually were just rusty in games 1 and 2 and now they’re back to their normal selves. Either way, we had our chance to put our foots on their throats tonight and we blew it. Not only that, we were winning this game 2-0 with just half the game left. Now, who knows. Back to NY at 2-2 most likely.

 

[Hedmonster Bolt]

 

[DialUp]

You even talked about breaking up the kid line which is a big no.

There are times and places where lines need to be broken up though. We don't have a classic shutdown line a la Jordan Staal and Fast. we don't have a 5v5 line that includes our marquee names that focuses on puck control. Sometimes you need that to kick start something, gain momentum, take advantage of a matchup, etc. Goodrow, Motte, and Copp for a few shifts to stop a push? Mika, Kreider Kakko for a few shifts to try to get Zibby a shot that's NOT on the PP or rush?

Or they actually were just rusty in games 1 and 2 and now they’re back to their normal selves. Either way, we had our chance to put our foots on their throats tonight and we blew it.

Tampa's normal self still beat us by 1, scoring two on Trouba specials, while desparate in front of a home crowd. What I am saying Brooksie is that if we play BETTER and Tampa plays the same as today, we should win.

It will take 4 goals to win in my opinion the rest of the way. We got the guys that can do it.

 

[bouds]

Panarin better be bloody injured.
He's been atrocious this season.
Forget his offense, what happened to the Panarin that first came here with his constant defense efforts and takeaways.
I can't recall him having any takeaways in forever.

I think he had a good season, but post season, not so much, or rather not to his standard.

Spot on about his D though, the guy was an elite two way player, can't say that right now. Been thinking about it lately, but he's been away from Torts for a while now, and we all know Torts drilled being responsible on D. He's also getting older, I'm not trying to defend him, but he's only got so much in the tank.

Definitely think he's banged up though. Feels like the entire 2nd line is at this point.

Unrelated, but the discussion about Trouba on the PP is something I always think about, he's f***ing terrible yet he gets penciled in on the PP since day 1 here. It's just one of those hockey things, where big shots = you run point even though your big shot is inaccurate and your passing is poor.

 

[will1066]

I don't know what word that means. But what I am trying to say is that you can't put a bucket on a pig's head, because it'll make em skittish.

I was just referencing Cooper calling his team out after going down 2-0 in the series. Said their puck management was egregiously bad.

 

[mike14]

Would you say that we played "egregious"?

 

[DialUp]

I was just referencing Cooper calling his team out after going down 2-0 in the series. Said their puck management was egregiously bad.

At the end of the day, I should really know what egregious means. That is the real problem.

 

[DanielBrassard]

The Rangers top line has been routinely dominated at 5v5 in almost every road game I can remember except maybe game 7 vs Carolina. That's a huge issue. Cooper went 12F-6D and moved Cirelli down into a checking role and it completely neutralized the 1st line. I don't know how the Rangers counter it at this point. I don't want to move Lafreniere or Kakko off the kid line, they have been so good together.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

There are times and places where lines need to be broken up though. We don't have a classic shutdown line a la Jordan Staal and Fast. we don't have a 5v5 line that includes our marquee names that focuses on puck control. Sometimes you need that to kick start something, gain momentum, take advantage of a matchup, etc. Goodrow, Motte, and Copp for a few shifts to stop a push? Mika, Kreider Kakko for a few shifts to try to get Zibby a shot that's NOT on the PP or rush?


Tampa's normal self still beat us by 1, scoring two on Trouba specials, while desparate in front of a home crowd. What I am saying Brooksie is that if we play BETTER and Tampa plays the same as today, we should win.

It will take 4 goals to win in my opinion the rest of the way. We got the guys that can do it.

I have no problem with mixing things up every now and then to take advantage of certain situations. But to say all the lines aren't working is not true

 

[DialUp]

I have no problem with mixing things up every now and then to take advantage of certain situations. But to say all the lines aren't working is not true

It is very hard to complain about the overall position the team is in, it is awesome we are in this spot. But the lines didn't work today. They may work on Tuesday, they may not. Gallant and any coach really should always be looking to optimize.

 

[will1066]

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Well, Cooper was a lawyer. Maybe that word is a favorite among the legal eagles.

 

[NickyFotiu]

yeah and he without any doubt really hurt us this game. two things can be true at once.

Nobody is perfect. Team was tired but would not be in Tampa without Trouba.

 

[Machinehead]

I agree with this 100% but you also said none of the lines really work and to make some changes. You even talked about breaking up the kid line which is a big no.

Here's my thing with the Kid Line. If you want to them to stay together for the playoffs, I'm with you on that. But I have a short term and long term issue.

Short term, I hate the makeup of our top six and I have all season. I think our options are limited to address it without breaking up the Kid Line. Getting Vatrano out is probably it. We need like a Fast or a Hagelin who gives our top 9 some giddy up. Tampa has Ross Colton. Pittsburgh had Rodrigues who was huge for them. Hell, we have Barclay Goodrow who is great in that role. He's right there! They're trying to make Vatrano into this role player and he's just a mediocre sniper. So yeah, do that I guess.

Long-term, and I'm talking after this season, we have to break them up eventually. Zibanejad, Kreider, and Panarin are inked into the long-term plans. Holes in the top six are limited. If we don't eventually split the Kid Line, we're gonna look up one day when they're in their primes and they're still gonna be our third line. I don't think anything good comes from that. That's why I'm not particularly married to it as a thing. In saying that, I understand that the sample right now is six more wins and we don't have to talk about that now, but their shelf life, to me, is the rest of this playoffs.

And then reexamine what your forward lines look like in the summer because yeah, they could be better. I think I'm perfectly not out of line in saying that. No team is perfect, and 5v5 offense is probably the thing we're the worst at. It sure as hell isn't because we don't have the talent (which is good news).

 

[chosen]

He’s not garbage but it’s hilarious that people think the Rangers aren’t gonna come for his money soon.

They sure as hell are.


Are we allowed to complain now @chosen ?

You're exempt because that's what you love to do non-stop.

I have - and I do believe there are agendas.

So, you're admitting you're a crooked ref?

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Or they actually were just rusty in games 1 and 2 and now they’re back to their normal selves. Either way, we had our chance to put our foots on their throats tonight and we blew it. Not only that, we were winning this game 2-0 with just half the game left. Now, who knows. Back to NY at 2-2 most likely.

This is a good point and we will find out soon enough. I still think we are the better team especially without Point. We do need to play better on the road also. 2-6 so far is not good.

 

[will1066]

Here's my thing with the Kid Line. If you want to them to stay together for the playoffs, I'm with you on that. But I have a short term and long term issue.

Short term, I hate the makeup of our top six and I have all season. I think our options are limited to address it without breaking up the Kid Line. Getting Vatrano out is probably it. We need like a Fast or a Hagelin who gives our top 9 some giddy up. Tampa has Ross Colton. Pittsburgh had Rodrigues who was huge for them. Hell, we have Barclay Goodrow who is great in that role. He's right there! They're trying to make Vatrano into this role player and he's just a mediocre sniper. So yeah, do that I guess.

Long-term, and I'm talking after this season, we have to break them up eventually. Zibanejad, Kreider, and Panarin are inked into the long-term plans. Holes in the top six are limited. If we don't eventually split the Kid Line, we're gonna look up one day when they're in their primes and they're still gonna be our third line. I don't think anything good comes from that. That's why I'm not particularly married to it as a thing. In saying that, I understand that the sample right now is six more wins and we don't have to talk about that now, but their shelf life, to me, is the rest of this playoffs.

And then reexamine what your forward lines look like in the summer because yeah, they could be better. I think I'm perfectly not out of line in saying that. No team is perfect, and 5v5 offense is probably the thing we're the worst at. It sure as hell isn't because we don't have the talent (which is good news).

It's simple. Mika-Kreider-Panarin need to be the top line. The kids are the second line. They've shown enough. Next regular season against weak jabroni basement teams? They'll dominate. The bottom 6 is whatever that's left, to use the argument you have used before about the bottom 6 being interchangeable.

 

[Machinehead]

It's simple. Mika-Kreider-Panarin need to be the top line. The kids are the second line. They've shown enough. Next regular season against weak jabroni basement teams? They'll dominate. The bottom 6 is whatever that's left, to use the argument you have used before about the bottom 6 being interchangeable.

I was just gonna address this but lemme take it to roster building.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Here's my thing with the Kid Line. If you want to them to stay together for the playoffs, I'm with you on that. But I have a short term and long term issue.

Short term, I hate the makeup of our top six and I have all season. I think our options are limited to address it without breaking up the Kid Line. Getting Vatrano out is probably it. We need like a Fast or a Hagelin who gives our top 9 some giddy up. Tampa has Ross Colton. Pittsburgh had Rodrigues who was huge for them. Hell, we have Barclay Goodrow who is great in that role. He's right there! They're trying to make Vatrano into this role player and he's just a mediocre sniper. So yeah, do that I guess.

Long-term, and I'm talking after this season, we have to break them up eventually. Zibanejad, Kreider, and Panarin are inked into the long-term plans. Holes in the top six are limited. If we don't eventually split the Kid Line, we're gonna look up one day when they're in their primes and they're still gonna be our third line. I don't think anything good comes from that. That's why I'm not particularly married to it as a thing. In saying that, I understand that the sample right now is six more wins and we don't have to talk about that now, but their shelf life, to me, is the rest of this playoffs.

And then reexamine what your forward lines look like in the summer because yeah, they could be better. I think I'm perfectly not out of line in saying that. No team is perfect, and 5v5 offense is probably the thing we're the worst at. It sure as hell isn't because we don't have the talent (which is good news).

Good points. I was talking about keeping the kid line together right now. Next year and beyond there are sure to be changes.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

It’s already been shown multiple times.

It won’t be the 16th because that’s Game 6 of the NBA. It’s either the 17th or 18th, and the 18th was picked.

Where? It’s nowhere to be found online.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

Posted this in the other thread but I don't know where it would be more relevant...

Tampa wasn't getting swept. There's two teams playing. Like how we made them look like chumps in games 1 and 2, they made us look like chumps in game 3. Refs will always be gutter swine no matter what. We still have a 2-1 series lead and if we win game 4 on Tuesday we go back home up 3-1.