Post-Game Talk: Lightning III

[bleedblue94]

The game turned after strome got hurt and couldn't play. We have been successful rolling 4 lines and suddenly we were doubling guys and completely out of sync.

If strome is out one of three things happens:
1 copp prob slots as panarin's center and hunt comes in on that wing.

2 Goodrow moves up w copp and panarin and Rooney is on the 4th line c

3 motte moves up with panarin and copp (yuck) and then Rooney or hunt takes his spot on the 4th line

either way out depth will be tested again

 

[will1066]

The game turned after strome got hurt and couldn't play. We have been successful rolling 4 lines and suddenly we were doubling guys and completely out of sync.

If strome is out one of three things happens:
1 copp prob slots as panarin's center and hunt comes in on that wing.

2 Goodrow moves up w copp and panarin and Rooney is on the 4th line c

3 motte moves up with panarin and copp (yuck) and then Rooney or hunt takes his spot on the 4th line

either way out depth will be tested again

Well, a lot of people shit on Strome and quietly wanted him gone. Others have pined for Hunt back in the lineup. The hockey gods said, ok.

 

[GlasgowNewYorkRanger]

From the time we went up 2-0 we looked exhausted… weak … satisfied to limp
Wrist chip …

Trouba awful

Fox awful

Vatrano awful

KAM lackadaisical

Goodruw post killer …

17 games played bit us in the sac today ….


That said - half off here … go get some steaks ..: go see some Tampa nightlife jiggly breasticles …

Comeback with an edge

Lmfao, thought I had read that wrong. A capital idea.

On another note - I am nicking breasticles for future use!

 

[Boris Zubov]

After the game I needed to get out of the house & just focus our attention elsewhere so the GF & I went to dinner in West Hartford where we ran into Messier, Chelios, & Steve Levy.

ESPN is in Bristol, which is a bit of a wasteland, but West Hartford is 20 minutes from there where all the fine dining & good bars are....plus the eye candy is off the charts. Didn't want to be that guy to disturb them, but I just told Mess we loved him as they walked by as we were having a glass of wine at the bar.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

Here's my thing with the Kid Line. If you want to them to stay together for the playoffs, I'm with you on that. But I have a short term and long term issue.

Short term, I hate the makeup of our top six and I have all season. I think our options are limited to address it without breaking up the Kid Line. Getting Vatrano out is probably it. We need like a Fast or a Hagelin who gives our top 9 some giddy up. Tampa has Ross Colton. Pittsburgh had Rodrigues who was huge for them. Hell, we have Barclay Goodrow who is great in that role. He's right there! They're trying to make Vatrano into this role player and he's just a mediocre sniper. So yeah, do that I guess.

Long-term, and I'm talking after this season, we have to break them up eventually. Zibanejad, Kreider, and Panarin are inked into the long-term plans. Holes in the top six are limited. If we don't eventually split the Kid Line, we're gonna look up one day when they're in their primes and they're still gonna be our third line. I don't think anything good comes from that. That's why I'm not particularly married to it as a thing. In saying that, I understand that the sample right now is six more wins and we don't have to talk about that now, but their shelf life, to me, is the rest of this playoffs.

And then reexamine what your forward lines look like in the summer because yeah, they could be better. I think I'm perfectly not out of line in saying that. No team is perfect, and 5v5 offense is probably the thing we're the worst at. It sure as hell isn't because we don't have the talent (which is good news).

Don't worry, next season when Lafreniere and Kakko move up into the top 6, Othmann and Kravtsov take over on the kid line with Chytil, while Cuylle slots in on the 4th line with Goodrow and Blais. Then we overwhelm everyone in the league with a relentless forecheck from all 4 lines.

 

[Vegas Ranger]

Everyone shitting on Trouba need to remember without him we DON"T beat Pittsburgh or Carolina.His hit on Crosby was a Series changer & his hits oh Domi and Jarvis were game changers.He is second in all the NHL in hits and second on the Rangers in Ice time to Fox you take away Fox's PP time he is first.He is also giving Miller the leeway to be more offensive then he's every been and playing against the other teams top lines.Without Trouba we don't sniff the Conference Finals.That being said YES he had a bad game but you're being shortsighted if you think he hasn't been invaluable in getting us to this point.

 

[Siddi]

Wasnt soft at all but ok. And your silly post is blaming him.

And I care exactly zero about your opinion.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

And I care exactly zero about your opinion.

Enough to respond though

 

[PuckLuck3043]

After the game I just needed to get & just focus our attention elsewhere so the GF & I went to dinner in West Hartford where we ran into Messier, Chelios, & Steve Levy.

ESPN is in Bristol, which is a bit of a wasteland, but West Hartford is 20 minutes from there where all the fine dining & good bars are....plus the eye candy is off the charts. Didn't want to be that guy to disturb them, but I just told Mess we loved him as they walked by as we were having a glass of wine at the bar.

Did he say anything?

 

[Boris Zubov]

Did he say anything?

Just a nod. I didn't want to be intrusive, plus I've met him before.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

Trouba is solid. No player is immune to mistakes. But a handful of calls against him are bullshit phantom calls based on reputation. The problem with refs and human error is that bias comes into play. We aren't where we are without Trouba. I'm not ready to turn on our guys. We are up 2 games to 1 in the Conference Final.

Forget this one, Tuesday night get back at it, we can come back home to MSG with a 3-1 series lead.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Trouba is solid. No player is immune to mistakes. But a handful of calls against him are bullshit phantom calls based on reputation. The problem with refs and human error is that bias comes into play. We aren't where we are without Trouba. I'm not ready to turn on our guys. We are up 2 games to 1 in the Conference Final.

Forget this one, Tuesday night get back at it, we can come back home to MSG with a 3-1 series lead.

Hopefully you’re right and they come back with a strong effort and can win game 4 but idk this game really seems like a series changer to me, especially with Strome potentially being out. Vasy was excellent, Kucherov was fantastic. We gave them far too much time and space and let them compeltely have their way with us in our zone. Really discouraging game.

And on Strome, look I’m as frustrated with him at times as everyone else but there is no denying that losing him totally disrupts our flow and everyone was out of sync. With this current team, losing your 2C is a death knell. And it didn’t help that for whatever reason Gallant wasn’t really rolling the kid line which was the only line threatening at 5v5. Now Rooney, who was playing the worst hockey of his life before Goodrow came back, will slot back in to 4c and that line is going to get severely dominated considering they were already getting pinned as it was with Goodrow there.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Just win Tuesday. I feel so much agita after today's game. It's like Tampa was given a door back into the series and now they won't leave. I was oddly calm going down 2-0 to Carolina because the Rangers were the better team in Game 1 and Game 2 was a coinflip.

The Rangers haven't been the best team in the series since the third period of Game 1 in this series. Tampa has been better since period 3 of Game 2. The tide feels like it's shifting. Take control back on Tuesday and that's about as big a statement that can be made.

 

[Row I Goon]

With respect to the Hockey gods, we’ve put 11 past Vasilevskiy in 3 games….

 

[bbny]

Just a nod. I didn't want to be intrusive, plus I've met him before.

Do you think he told the guys "that was Boris - he's a good one"

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Just win Tuesday. I feel so much agita after today's game. It's like Tampa was given a door back into the series and now they won't leave. I was oddly calm going down 2-0 to Carolina because the Rangers were the better team in Game 1 and Game 2 was a coinflip.

The Rangers haven't been the best team in the series since the third period of Game 1 in this series. Tampa has been better since period 3 of Game 2. The tide feels like it's shifting. Take control back on Tuesday and that's about as big a statement that can be made.

Yeah I agree with you. I felt better after game 3 vs Carolina than I do now that’s for sure.

 

[2014nyr]

think we can cut trouba some slack, everyone has bad games. fox was pretty bad today too. panarin had some bad turnovers and brought nothing 5 on 5. mcdonagh was a disaster game 1, hedman hadnt done anything good until today, kuch was handing pucks to us repeatedly for 2 games. troubas been a beast for us all season and been a great leader on the back end, he had a bad day. ideally someone on tampa pays for that on tuesday.

wouldnt mind if our top 2 lines actually generated some possession that then produced offense 5 on 5 so we arent relying entirely on the kids there.

curious how we shuffle things - doubt strome is back quickly, guessing copp moves over and goodrow bumped up to wing w panarin and rooney returns. but think theres a pretty good chance goodrow also gonna miss time - hope hes ok but his return today doesnt mean were in the clear yet.

if goodrow out my bet is hunt goes in with panarin and copp... not thrilled but not like he can make that line more useless 5 on 5 and an upgrade defensively and speed wise so seems livable.

will be good to add a lefty on the pp in stromes spot too, that position basically never touches the puck but at least we wont look ridiculous

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Hopefully you’re right and they come back with a strong effort and can win game 4 but idk this game really seems like a series changer to me, especially with Strome potentially being out. Vasy was excellent, Kucherov was fantastic. We gave them far too much time and space and let them compeltely have their way with us in our zone. Really discouraging game.

And on Strome, look I’m as frustrated with him at times as everyone else but there is no denying that losing him totally disrupts our flow and everyone was out of sync. With this current team, losing your 2C is a death knell. And it didn’t help that for whatever reason Gallant wasn’t really rolling the kid line which was the only line threatening at 5v5. Now Rooney, who was playing the worst hockey of his life before Goodrow came back, will slot back in to 4c and that line is going to get severely dominated considering they were already getting pinned as it was with Goodrow there.

We got beat badly in game 4 against Pitt and won the next 3. We looked like crap in game 5 against Carolina and won 6 and 7. We have done a good job coming back after tough losses.

 

[NJRangers35]

The trouba hate is a joke. He’s been very solid this playoff run. Yes, he had an awful game, but some of the tales are laughable.

 

[GlasgowNewYorkRanger]

I like how our hockey board holds our players and coach accountable. Tampa fans are just like their coach cooper its NEVER their fault.

He is the poster child for oily and smarm. They are rapidly approaching Penguin level on the obnoxious meter.

 

[BleedBlueNYR]

I like how our hockey board holds our players and coach accountable. Tampa fans are just like their coach cooper its NEVER their fault.

I have found that New York fan bases (maybe Philly and Boston too) are usually the only ones that actually call out their players, coaches and front offices when they aren't performing. Other cities can have the worst team in their league and still like the players which I don't understand. There's no shame in saying, "Yea my team sucks, things need to change."

The trouba hate is a joke. He’s been very solid this playoff run. Yes, he had an awful game, but some of the tales are laughable.

He's been mostly solid but some of his mistakes have been really costly. Specifically his turnovers at the blue line trying to get the puck into the zone.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

We got beat badly in game 4 against Pitt and won the next 3. We looked like crap in game 5 against Carolina and won 6 and 7. We have done a good job coming back after tough losses.

That's true but it's hard not to worry with Tampa. They're a different caliber of team than those team were.

 

[Captain Monglobster]

Anyone thats surpised or mad that the Rangers couldnt match a back to back cup winners desperation and intensity in a must win game is delusional.

Not good blowing a 2 goal lead and losing in the final minute. But the Rangers were right there all game even being outplayed.

This was never going to be easy.

 

[Kocur26]

“The fact is, opposed for the most part by the Anthony Cirelli-Brandon Hagel-Alex Killorn checking unit, the Kreider-Zibanejad-Frank Vatrano line was overwhelmed at five-on-five, barely able to mount an attack and always pushed into a defensive posture.”

LB calls out Mikapoo

LB - Losing Strome no biggie

“ Ryan Strome went out of the game early in the second with a lower-body issue, and that did not help the five-on-five cause, but it’s not as if No. 16 had been playing with much authority until that point. If Kreider, Zibanejad and Vatrano struggled at five-on-five, so did Artemi Panarin. By the way, so did Adam Fox. So did Jacob Trouba, sent to the box for three different infractions, with Tampa Bay capitalizing on the first two of the resulting power plays.”

He’s right Fox was dogshit

And Strome sucks bad

 

[PuckLuck3043]

That's true but it's hard not to worry with Tampa. They're a different caliber of team than those team were.

I don't think they are any better than us especially without Point. They have 2 guys that scare me, Stamkos and Kucherov. That's it. What concerns me the most is the fatigue factor. Been playing intense games every other day for over a month now. Add 82 regular season games and that's the most hockey many of these guys have ever played.