Post-Game Talk: light

[ohbaby]

Last thoughts,...

Mika had his 4th game winner against Tampa this year, in the 5 games played. And even though we thoroughly dominated most of the game, it was only a tenuous one goal lead until Mika came through in the third.

Foxy continues to excel with some excellent play.

The kids line will continue to produce. Cause if the Canes couldn't stop them, it's unlikely Tampa will. They are too slow to keep up with the kids.

Panarin is still turning the puck over. I expect more from him this series. How are teams able to shut him down this postseason? When he was always good at making plays under pressure, being strong on the puck and being elusive. Something ain't right. This is my only prediction that didn't come through, although it is only Game 2. I thought he would have more time and space this series, but it seems he is not using his legs to create that space. He is being very stationary with the puck, making him an easy target for defenders to close on him.

Structurally, we are playing sound defensively. Clogging the middle, collapsing down low, keeping them on the perimeter, not allowing cross ice seam passes. And getting the puck out cleanly and quickly more often than not. But we have been playing sound defense for a while now, ever since we were down 3-1 vs the Pens. Shesty hasn't had to stand on his head, cause we are playing well in front of him.

We take one down in Tampa, and we could end this in 5 games.

Let's Go Rangers! Oh Baby!

 

[duhmetreE]

Panarin had 3-4 grade A++++++ chances. To either put it in the net or set up his teammates on odd man breaks. He has to convert at least on one.

That Strome pass to Copp, on that 3 on 1 killed me inside.... It's almost as if he didn't know who to pass to and his brain malfunctioned

 

[chosen]

Yeah they had far too few minutes. Don’t get it.

Isn't the only thing that matters that they won?

I don't care who plays how much. What will it take to not nitpick the coach?

 

[LokiDog]

So as a father of 3, im going to put it like this: You know how the Lightning thought they'd own the Rangers, being older and more experienced. Turned out the Rangers were a wild beast waiting to break out and the Lightning weren't ready for it and now they can't contain the Rangers and the Lightning look like they don't know what hit them and they look exhausted?

Just wait. LOL

I’ve been expecting nightmares every day, but so far he’s been super calm like 23/7. I don’t expect it to last, but so far it’s better than what I was told to expect.

 

[LokiDog]

I'd much rather have Laffy-Chytil-Kakko on the ice than Panarin-Strome

There's no reason for Laffy to be getting 10 minutes. That's absurd.

The ice slowly started tilting late game when they were 'benched'. They play with energy and pace. They give the team energy. They play in the O-Zone.

KEEP PLAYING THEM IN ALL SCENARIOS

I’ve said it before, but I would give the Strome Panarin duo as little even strength time as possible. Put Copp with Goodrow and Motte at even strength. Let Panarin, Strome and Reaves play 6 minutes of even strength hockey and let Panarin (and Strome, I guess) play the full 2 minutes on the PP. Behave like a PP specialist, get treated like one. A Copp, Goodrow, Motte line is a handful.

 

[ohbaby]

I'd much rather have Laffy-Chytil-Kakko on the ice than Panarin-Strome

There's no reason for Laffy to be getting 10 minutes. That's absurd.

The ice slowly started tilting late game when they were 'benched'. They play with energy and pace. They give the team energy. They play in the O-Zone.

KEEP PLAYING THEM IN ALL SCENARIOS

Even with the kids excellent and improved play, it seems Turk is sticking with his top two lines in close affairs. This is the first time in 4 games, Zibad, Kreids, Panarin, and Strome played anywhere close to 20 minutes. Hence the limited time for the kids.

I'm with you. I think they earned the right to play important minutes. Turk has confidence to go with them when down or trailing, but when protecting a lead, they are benched. You would think that would change with them playing so well.

 

[duhmetreE]

I’ve said it before, but I would give the Strome Panarin duo as little even strength time as possible. Put Copp with Goodrow and Motte at even strength. Let Panarin, Strome and Reaves play 6 minutes of even strength hockey and let Panarin (and Strome, I guess) play the full 2 minutes on the PP. Behave like a PP specialist, get treated like one. A Copp, Goodrow, Motte line is a handful.

Even with the kids excellent and improved play, it seems Turk is sticking with his top two lines in close affairs. This is the first time in 4 games, Zibad, Kreids, Panarin, and Strome played anywhere close to 20 minutes. Hence the limited minutes for the kids.

I'm with you. I think they earned the right to play important minutes. Turk has confidence to go with them when down or trailing, but when protecting a lead, they are benched. You would think that would change with them playing so well.

I wouldn't have an issue if the options he was using were stronger. Strome aint it. Panarin had a strong game but Panarin-Strome defending a lead it's butt clenching season.

I just do not get why he trusts Strome. I honestly think Laffy and Kakko have grown into REALLY STRONG 2way players. I don't think that aspect of Laffy's game has been talked about much. How often do we see him busting his ass back to break up a play? Chytil is the weak link on the line, defensively... sometimes he gets lost in coverage and puck watches down low.

I also hate the idea of 'prevent' defense and 'surviving'. Let the kids play in the Ozone for 45 seconds at a time. Best way to defend a lead. Even more so when it's Tampa's top players stuck in their zone and gasping for air after their shift

 

[CLW]

I'd much rather have Laffy-Chytil-Kakko on the ice than Panarin-Strome

There's no reason for Laffy to be getting 10 minutes. That's absurd.
The ice slowly started tilting late game when they were 'benched'. They play with energy and pace. They give the team energy. They play in the O-Zone.

KEEP PLAYING THEM IN ALL SCENARIOS

Only thing that makes sense to me is that Turk sees them as his cutting edge and doesn't want to blunt them. They are literally game changers right now 5v5 and if they can keep playing with the energy they have it's series changing.

 

[Hire Sather]

bern is being proven right
need to run a deep team
necessitates youth for both energy and to be cap compliant

Always first to pat yourself on the back.

You have been wrong way more than you've been right.

Actually I've never seen you correct even once.

 

[duhmetreE]

Only thing that makes sense to me is that Turk sees them as his cutting edge and doesn't want to blunt them. They are literally game changers right now 5v5 and if they can keep playing with the energy they have it's series changing.

Could be. I just dont think he trusts Chytil in the D-Zone.... which is technically accurate but not a problem if they are in the O-Zone.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

To be completely fair, we are pretty healthy at the moment at least in terms of who can actually play. Missing Zibanejad might well sink us.

And I do think that at least in regards to Anderson we dodged a bullet, Raanta was good but despite his history of playoff struggles I think Anderson is better.

I’m not sure Jarry or even DeSmith makes a difference though, but then again we also knocked Crosby out for games 5/6.

We have had a little luck. But hey, we have been on the other end of that too, like in 2015. It’s not unique to us. No reason to apologize.

We are pretty healthy at the moment but Lindgren, Motte, and Goodrow have missed time this playoffs, and significant time in the case of Motte and Goodrow. I also think Panarin and Copp were definitely struggling with injuries early on. Point is absolutely a huge loss for Tampa and irreplaceable. I do not think Anderson would have played much better than Raanta who had a .922 save %. We have had a little luck and I think most teams that go very deep usually do. I have always said to win a cup you have to be good, relatively healthy, and have some luck along the way. It's just too hard to win 16 games otherwise.

 

[ohbaby]

I also hate the idea of 'prevent' defense and 'surviving'. Let the kids play in the Ozone for 45 seconds at a time. Best way to defend a lead. Even more so when it's Tampa's top players stuck in their zone and gasping for air after their shift

I'm pretty sure that wasn't their plan (Prevent D). We haven't seen this in a while. Sometime it just happens. You knew Tampa was gonna push hard, and sometimes weathering that storm, all you can do is chip the puck out and hope you don't ice it. I didn't see many opportunities for them to skate it out and go up ice in those closing minutes. The times they did get it out of the zone they were looking for a change and then they were right back in defending again.

Even if they tied it up, I highly doubt they would have beat us in OT. I wasn't worried in the least.

But I get your original point. The Kids deserve more ice time. They definitely earned it. They are our best line of late.

 

[mas0764]

Isn't the only thing that matters that they won?

I don't care who plays how much. What will it take to not nitpick the coach?

You know it’s possible to win while making mistakes…. Some bigger, some smaller.

It might be nitpicking but that doesn’t mean it’s not worth discussing.

This is a message board, that’s what it’s for.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

ESPN Recap Game 2
Messier you homer; I Love you.
A True Blue Alumni.

 

[duhmetreE]

You know it’s possible to win while making mistakes…. Some bigger, some smaller.

It might be nitpicking but that doesn’t mean it’s not worth discussing.

This is a message board, that’s what it’s for.

The irony... Nitpicking the hockey team for which this board was made vs nitpicking/criticizing posters.

big brain stuff

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Many people think it’s an injustice when the underdog wins the whole thing.

I guess unless it's the Kings because they just dominated every series the played in 2012?

 

[duhmetreE]

This is because we do not have good analytics. The aneurisms that will ensue if/when we win the cup...

"it doesn't count because they were oUtPlAyEd"
"aNaLyTiCs"
"Crosby"
"Backup Goalies"
"Rusty Bolts"
"Point"
" insert new excuse "

 

[SnowblindNYR]

This is because we do not have good analytics. The aneurisms that will ensue if/when we win the cup...

"it doesn't count because they were oUtPlAyEd"
"aNaLyTiCs"
"Crosby"
"Backup Goalies"
"Rusty Bolts"
"Point"
" insert new excuse "

I've been reading a lot about the Rangers on other boards and most other teams' fans are saying nice things. Let's not go overboard with victimology.

 

[Conrad McBenis]

IVE BEEN COMPLETELY sober for the 1st two games but im out of nails to bite off. Should I get RINSED tomorrow afternoon for G3? Last time I did that against the Canes I woke up with olive oil all over my chest and a thread created on HF.

 

[WojtekWolski86]

Tom Wilson was the Pearl Harbor for this team. He woke up a sleeping dragon up and down the entire organization.

 

[Joe Ranger Fan 1960]

Gallant is pushing all the right buttons. In closing his pregame press availability, which heavily focused on the media's obsession with coach bromance, Turk naturally praised his colleague, but mentioned that it wasn't like he spends summers with the guy, and even opined that he babysat Cooper during their three weeks together. Classic.

 

[JimmyG89]

Man, what a night! The Rangers dominated the first half of the game. The 2nd half Tampa turned it up. That was the best push, and it wasn't enough.

Idk how this team keeps doing this. They've won 10 playoff games. I was just happy they were going to play in 10 games at some point. It doesn't make sense.

Up 2-0 on the back to back defending champs. The kids are flourishing. The top 2 lines are looking better and better as time passes. The young guys on defense just getting the job done.

Go and take one in Tampa. That's the assignment. Come back up 3-1.

 

[RangerFanInMKE]

Obviously not much to complain about, but yeah, LaFreniere getting 10 minutes is completely bonkers.

Kid is already a damn good two way player.

 

[Kaapo Bustfreniere]

yeah ESPN's production leaves a lot to be desired. but it still beats having to listen to Edzo and Keith Jones on the other channel.

So much this. I thought I was the only one who despised TNT broadcasts wholeheartedly and thought espn was almost brilliant in comparison.

 

[duhmetreE]

I've been reading a lot about the Rangers on other boards and most other teams' fans are saying nice things. Let's not go overboard with victimology.

that wasn't the point. People are looking for excuses because they need it to fit their analytics ideology.

Why are the Rangers beating <insert team> when their analytics are not great/good? Attempting to rationalize it.... maaaaybe current 'advanced analytics' are not the 'be all, end all' as some would claim them to be.... maaaaybe there's major components missing in the arithmetic