Player Discussion Lias Andersson: Part II

[The Crypto Guy]

8 points in 49 games is really rough... Even at his age.

Considering only 10 players in that draft, 7 of them drafted in the top 10, have even played over 25 games, it's really not. I don't know where all the hate is coming from with him. Let the kid develop jeeze.

 

[Miamipuck]

hes been legit bad since hes worn a ny ranger sweater. like real bad.

hes a .5 ppg guy in the AHL let that sink in. hes done little to earn a call up over guys like nieves and letteri.

hes like -35 combined in the ahl and nhl. again, let that marinate.

110 total pro games 42 points. total.

does that sound like a 3 zone player ? his bio doesnt even sound like him.

you are what your numbers say you are. and his numbers say hes been pretty bad.

hes been nothing short of a bust to this point.

Let me get this straight you back up your story with plus minus numbers from the AHL? That's a garbage stat. You think that stat will tell you anything other than he played on a garbage team?

Next you combine NHL and AHL numbers, stellar job.

Do me a favor when you stop being intellectually dishonest, let that marinate, I would love to hear your opinion but what you just wrote is horse piss covered in horse shit.

Lol he wasn't good last year that's the funny part but the hoops you jump thru are astounding.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

hes been legit bad since hes worn a ny ranger sweater. like real bad.

hes a .5 ppg guy in the AHL let that sink in. hes done little to earn a call up over guys like nieves and letteri.

hes like -35 combined in the ahl and nhl. again, let that marinate.

110 total pro games 42 points. total.

does that sound like a 3 zone player ? his bio doesnt even sound like him.

you are what your numbers say you are. and his numbers say hes been pretty bad.

hes been nothing short of a bust to this point.

Shut up, the kid is f***ing 20 years old

 

[UnSandvich]

Nope. Clearly a bust. 100% a bust just 2 seasons after being drafted. Never will amount to anything ever. A disappointment to anyone he's ever met.

 

[offdacrossbar]

Let me get this straight you back up your story with plus minus numbers from the AHL? That's a garbage stat. You think that stat will tell you anything other than he played on a garbage team?

Next you combine NHL and AHL numbers, stellar job.

Do me a favor when you stop being intellectually dishonest, let that marinate, I would love to hear your opinion but what you just wrote is horse piss covered in horse ****.

Lol he wasn't good last year that's the funny part but the hoops you jump thru are astounding.

you dont have to go far to step in whats been his career so far.

hes young. hes got time to find his way. were all hoping that happens and he becomes the effective, gritty, high motor 3C that i believe he can be.

well see but lets be honest and call a spade a spade so far.

k ?

 

[Thirty One]

Can anyone find any examples of players who were not good NHL players at 20 who later went on to be good NHL players? I'm freaking out over here.

 

[offdacrossbar]

Shut up, the kid is ****ing 20 years old

so far.

hes been bad so far

his numbers have been bad so far.

he didnt retire yet.

still time to show what hes got.

before hes moved in a trade as a sweetener that is

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Patrik Bexell
‏ @Zeb_Habs

Just spoke with @liasandersson after his practice at the Frölunda Campus in Gothenburg.
"I am stepping up my training right now. I have worked out and skated for a couple of months now. I step it up a little bit every day". #NYR

 

[JohnC]

Can anyone find any examples of players who were not good NHL players at 20 who later went on to be good NHL players? I'm freaking out over here.

Jeremy Morin
Enver Lisin

To name a few

 

[Miamipuck]

you dont have to go far to step in whats been his career so far.

hes young. hes got time to find his way. were all hoping that happens and he becomes the effective, gritty, high motor 3C that i believe he can be.

well see but lets be honest and call a spade a spade so far.

k ?

I will agree I wish he was better last year but the list of players that were awful in their first and even second go around in the NHL is longer than my Johnson, which admittedly doesn't take much, but the list is really long.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

so far.

hes been bad so far

his numbers have been bad so far.

he didnt retire yet.

still time to show what hes got.

before hes moved in a trade as a sweetener that is

He hasn’t been bad, he hasn’t been exceptional, he’s been fine

 

[offdacrossbar]

Jeremy Morin
Enver Lisin

To name a few

Alexander Khokhlachev



comes to mind too

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Mark Schiefle played a total of 11 games by the time he was 21 and people were losing their crap saying they wasted their pick on him like some are saying with Lias not that I'm saying he will turn out the same but seriously people need to relax and let this play out, the kid has skill and drive that made him successful his whole career. He will figure it out, it's not if it's when is the question.

 

[wolfgaze]

Can anyone find any examples of players who were not good NHL players at 20 who later went on to be good NHL players? I'm freaking out over here.

Well, William Karlsson at age 22 and 23 played back to back 81 game seasons for Columbus and only put up 20 and 25 points in those seasons... 15 goals combined over 182 games...

He then went on to score 40+ goals the following season and triple his previous career high (25 points)... Last season he put up 24 goals and 56 points...

 

[Inferno]

Mark Schiefle played a total of 11 games by the time he was 21 and people were losing their crap saying they wasted their pick on him like some are saying with Lias not that I'm saying he will turn out the same but seriously people need to relax and let this play out, the kid has skill and drive that made him successful his whole career. He will figure it out, it's not if it's when is the question.

You know what I find funny? The fact that so many people use examples like this...when you can also use examples like Rob schremp, nail yakupov and a billion other prospects who were drafted high and then just didn't look like NHL players when they stepped on the ice.

I get what you guys are talking about.. I really do. But just because there are examples of something happening doesn't invalidate people's current evaluation of what a player has shown.

People love talking about lias' age...I mean can't we point out the opposite to you guys and say that at the age of 18 Jeff Skinner who was also a 7th is had 30 goals?

Of course not because it's ridiculous. We're all aware of his age and of what he has and hasn't done and what other players have done.

None of that invalidates what people see in his game. Some people see a guy with upside and motor and all sorts of good stuff. Some people see a guy who just doesn't look very good out there. It's just so... Lame.. to constantly throw his age out there. Chytil was younger than lias' and has looked much better than him. He's played on the 4th line.. he's been a healthy scratch, and he's still looked better. He hasn't looked like a superstar... But he's look better. I think looking better is all anyone is looking for in lias', just to look better than he currently has.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

You know what I find funny? The fact that so many people use examples like this...when you can also use examples like Rob schremp, nail yakupov and a billion other prospects who were drafted high and then just didn't look like NHL players when they stepped on the ice.

I get what you guys are talking about.. I really do. But just because there are examples of something happening doesn't invalidate people's current evaluation of what a player has shown.

People love talking about lias' age...I mean can't we point out the opposite to you guys and say that at the age of 18 Jeff Skinner who was also a 7th is had 30 goals?

Of course not because it's ridiculous. We're all aware of his age and of what he has and hasn't done and what other players have done.

None of that invalidates what people see in his game. Some people see a guy with upside and motor and all sorts of good stuff. Some people see a guy who just doesn't look very good out there. It's just so... Lame.. to constantly throw his age out there. Chytil was younger than lias' and has looked much better than him. He's played on the 4th line.. he's been a healthy scratch, and he's still looked better. He hasn't looked like a superstar... But he's look better. I think looking better is all anyone is looking for in lias', just to look better than he currently has.

You know what both Chytil and Lias had in common at the NHL level too? It looked like both of them had to get used to processing the game at NHL speed, Chytil had a full season to do it and was looking much better at the half way mark, just like Lias was looking better toward the end of the season

 

[Inferno]

You know what both Chytil and Lias had in common at the NHL level too? It looked like both of them had to get used to processing the game at NHL speed, Chytil had a full season to do it and was looking much better at the half way mark, just like Lias was looking better toward the end of the season

Sure, and none of us who are critical of lias' are saying he can't improve. What were saying is, he hasn't looked great so far.

Like I said when this whole thing started off..he just can't regress. He needs to show progress.

 

[Thirty One]

You know what I find funny? The fact that so many people use examples like this...when you can also use examples like Rob schremp, nail yakupov and a billion other prospects who were drafted high and then just didn't look like NHL players when they stepped on the ice.

I get what you guys are talking about.. I really do. But just because there are examples of something happening doesn't invalidate people's current evaluation of what a player has shown.

People love talking about lias' age...I mean can't we point out the opposite to you guys and say that at the age of 18 Jeff Skinner who was also a 7th is had 30 goals?

Of course not because it's ridiculous. We're all aware of his age and of what he has and hasn't done and what other players have done.

None of that invalidates what people see in his game. Some people see a guy with upside and motor and all sorts of good stuff. Some people see a guy who just doesn't look very good out there. It's just so... Lame.. to constantly throw his age out there. Chytil was younger than lias' and has looked much better than him. He's played on the 4th line.. he's been a healthy scratch, and he's still looked better. He hasn't looked like a superstar... But he's look better. I think looking better is all anyone is looking for in lias', just to look better than he currently has.

I think to say that Lias has been poor at the NHL level and that we would have liked to see more from him is a very reasonable take. Some of the conclusions about what that means about him and his future I find a lot less reasonable.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Sure, and none of us who are critical of lias' are saying he can't improve. What were saying is, he hasn't looked great so far.

Like I said when this whole thing started off..he just can't regress. He needs to show progress.

That’s the thing, he has shown progress, but apparantly not enough and not soon enough

 

[offdacrossbar]

no ones writing LA off.

too early for that.

but to say hes been anything but blah so far is being disingenuous. at best.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

no ones writing LA off.

too early for that.

but to say hes been anything but blah so far is being disingenuous. at best.

His AHL contribution was quite high this past season actually

 

[Thirty One]

no ones writing LA off.

too early for that.

hes been nothing short of a bust to this point.

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[Inferno]

That’s the thing, he has shown progress, but apparantly not enough and not soon enough

But see, I'm not seeing the progress though.. maybe it's just me? I saw a few good games with buch and lemieux but I found it hard to differentiate what was him and what was his linemates ..especially with how well howden looked in the same role.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

But see, I'm not seeing the progress though.. maybe it's just me? I saw a few good games with buch and lemieux but I found it hard to differentiate what was him and what was his linemates ..especially with how well howden looked in the same role.

I don’t know what to tell you. I think he looked better at the beginning of last season than he did at the end of the one before, and I thought he looked better at the end of the past season than he looked at the beginning of it. Specifically, I thought he was starting to feel comfortable with the speed of the game and was tracking and being involved in plays more effectively

 

[Inferno]

I don’t know what to tell you. I think he looked better at the beginning of last season than he did at the end of the one before, and I thought he looked better at the end of the past season than he looked at the beginning of it. Specifically, I thought he was starting to feel comfortable with the speed of the game and was tracking and being involved in plays more effectively

Agree to disagree