Player Discussion Lias Andersson: Part II

[bl02]

If Lias can replace Fast when his contract expires, that works for me.

If Chytil becomes what most of us think he can become than I'm ok with that as well. Would just suck to havc a 7th overall pick not become a regular top 6 guy especially if Chytil doesn't become a top 6 guy.

 

[Waivers]

I think he got a fair shake. He didn't show much individually other than a willingness to shoot an above average wrister from weird spots and was constantly behind the play and still got over 40 NHL games. If anything quality linemates would have papered over some of the game sense deficiencies he showed.

Getting your ass handed to you is a pretty great teacher. By all accounts his attitude and drive is very good so I'm looking forward to how he progresses this year. 12-13-25 with solid two-way play is very doable.

You guys are riding this kid into the ground. He didn’t play a single shift with Zibanejad last year, no burn on the second line either. The Rangers were trading assets and giving TOI away and despite Lias lack of point production, he played an admirable game away from the puck. Not concerned about it, yet.

He will be 21 in October, this will be a big year for him. Plenty of time and opportunities to play anywhere in the lineup. The entire line up is question marks which makes this season exciting.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Lias may take some time but I think once he relaxes and plays his game, tries not to do too much he will be a good player. I honestly think he felt he had to be a star last year when all the staff wanted him to be was Lias Andersson. He has been too good of a player growing up to fail now imo. I know it happens but it's usually heart that is the issue...Lias has a ton of heart.

 

[Miamipuck]

the more talent you add to the pool, the more he gets passed.

if the skills just arent there- and the jury is still out tbh, the more he becomes a bottom 6 guy and really, thats maybe what hes been all along.

intangibles only go so far in this league these days.

real skill trumps the other stuff every time.

Weren't you furiously masturbating to the fact we drafted him now he's a 4th liner?

A f***ing 20 year old in his first go around in the NHL?

 

[Inferno]

You guys are riding this kid into the ground. He didn’t play a single shift with Zibanejad last year, no burn on the second line either. The Rangers were trading assets and giving TOI away and despite Lias lack of point production, he played an admirable game away from the puck. Not concerned about it, yet.

He will be 21 in October, this will be a big year for him. Plenty of time and opportunities to play anywhere in the lineup. The entire line up is question marks which makes this season exciting.

Center prospect doesn't play a shift with our top center.... And this is the excuse we are giving him?

 

[charliemurphy]

Love the argument that Andersson is falling deeper and deeper in our prospect pool. He's only falling behind Kakko, Kravtsov, Shestyorkin, Miller and Fox, lol.
The addition of Kakko and Kravtsov along with Panarin will definitely help both Chytil and Andersson. Step away from the ledge and let Quinn do his job.

 

[Inferno]

Lias' got mins with crap players for sure..but he also got minutes with kreider, Hayes, strome, namestnikov, etc.

These are regular NHL forwards who've carved out careers for themselves...and he didn't do anything to show he deserved more. I hope that changes going forward.

 

[charliemurphy]

Center prospect doesn't play a shift with our top center.... And this is the excuse we are giving him?

I think the poster was referencing both Zib and Andersson playing together with Sweden... they have with Zib playing on his wing and vice versa. Not sure if I read that as an excuse but more of an observation.

 

[Miamipuck]

As far as getting a fair shake, he got what he got. For a good portion, he was in over his head a little. Sure he was no worse than Howden who sucked too, I would rather both of them spent time in the AHL versus what happened.

That said, Lias is 20 years old let's stop talking about absolutes with him. He has a few years to improve and is probably working his ass off to do so. Of course it was not a few days ago a poster was bagging on a vacation pic so maybe he's out of shape ...... I love this place. Lol

 

[effen]

If Chytil becomes what most of us think he can become than I'm ok with that as well. Would just suck to havc a 7th overall pick not become a regular top 6 guy especially if Chytil doesn't become a top 6 guy.

IMO you do kids a massive disservice by hanging their draft positions around their neck like this. It doesn't matter where he was drafted.

 

[Inferno]

Love the argument that Andersson is falling deeper and deeper in our prospect pool. He's only falling behind Kakko, Kravtsov, Shestyorkin, Miller and Fox, lol.
The addition of Kakko and Kravtsov along with Panarin will definitely help both Chytil and Andersson. Step away from the ledge and let Quinn do his job.

Let's look at this logically right?

There are 12 forward spots for the rangers. None of us want to see him become a 4th liner so let's just say we want him in our top 9.

Let's also say we're totally willing to have him play wing, center, anywhere.

So. Where does he fall on the depth chart right now?

He's 100% behind zibanejad, buchnevich, panarin. That leaves 6 spots.

Let's assume all 3 of strome kreider and namestnikov are not long term answers and are gone.

Let's also assume kakko and kravtsov are long term guys .

So that leaves a total of 4 spots left

So...lias' is fighting for 4 spots with howden, chytil and lemieux right now


That's great. He's got a spot!

That also means it literally take 1 player to knock him off the team. It's true for chytil howden and lemieux as well or course...but all 3 have accomplished more... Which is why his spot is so tenuous... And this is not including 3 top 9 players currently on the roster.

 

[bl02]

IMO you do kids a massive disservice by hanging their draft positions around their neck like this. It doesn't matter where he was drafted.

Totally. At this point just want him to go out there and be the best player he can be. In whatever way he can to help this team for the future. Just would suck to have two first round picks in that draft that started this rebuild and neither become top 6 consistent players. I still feel Chytil will be that player. Just helps ease the sting from a fans perspective.

 

[Miamipuck]

Let's look at this logically right?

There are 12 forward spots for the rangers. None of us want to see him become a 4th liner so let's just say we want him in our top 9.

Let's also say we're totally willing to have him play wing, center, anywhere.

So. Where does he fall on the depth chart right now?

He's 100% behind zibanejad, buchnevich, panarin. That leaves 6 spots.

Let's assume all 3 of strome kreider and namestnikov are not long term answers and are gone.

Let's also assume kakko and kravtsov are long term guys .

So that leaves a total of 4 spots left

So...lias' is fighting for 4 spots with howden, chytil and lemieux right now


That's great. He's got a spot!

That also means it literally take 1 player to knock him off the team. It's true for chytil howden and lemieux as well or course...but all 3 have accomplished more... Which is why his spot is so tenuous... And this is not including 3 top 9 players currently on the roster.

If he's a center, he's behind one guy for sure, that's it.

 

[Inferno]

Lias may take some time but I think once he relaxes and plays his game, tries not to do too much he will be a good player. I honestly think he felt he had to be a star last year when all the staff wanted him to be was Lias Andersson. He has been too good of a player growing up to fail now imo. I know it happens but it's usually heart that is the issue...Lias has a ton of heart.

I think he needs like 10 straight games playing regular 3rd line minutes with competent players. Let's say lemieux and kakko or something

If in 10 games he doesn't at least show you something then I'd send him down to Hartford to play top line minutes there.

 

[TheDirtyH]

As far as not showing enough early, didn't Lias win the media-selected 'top rookie' award in training camp? I'm not sure I saw anything in Howden's game, even early on when he scored all his points, that suggested he had a higher offensive upside — or a higher ability to contribute offensively at the moment.

Some people say they've seen nothing from Lias. Plenty of us have. And as far as earning/deserving, a common sentiment on these boards has always taken what players' have done prior to the NHL (ie. Kakko, Kravstov, Fox) when considering how to use them and integrate them onto the team. Whether or not Lias needed to be a top-sixer last season to prove something (or vis-versa), it's appalling to me that he didn't receive a single shift on the powerplay.

Young players often have to earn their ice, but not many top ten draft picks who show well in the A as teenagers, play on a team with almost league bottom offensive talent, with many players 'ahead' of them writing terrible resumes as far as pp contributions go, and still can't buy a minute on the man advantage.

Personally rooting for the kid. For a player who gets sub-10 minutes of ice time and none with any support of NHL talent, I thought his tools were usually on display — great hockey sense, determination, soft hands and heady use of the ice to make area passes, shoot for rebounds (and get them), and get chances and goals from difficult angles.

I also have hope when there's players like Couturier, O'Reilly, W. Karlsson, Danault, Backlund... There's plenty of examples of slow trajectories for two-way centers, and offensive explosions when awarded the opportunity to play with top players and on the PP.

 

[Inferno]

If he's a center, he's behind one guy for sure, that's it.

True and fair

 

[Miamipuck]

True and fair

That's the best bet for him. So if the organization has plans for him watch how that develops because I don't think his future with the Rangers is on the wing.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Oh FFS, I honestly can't see why people are getting upset about this. It's simple: Lias has been in a bit of a bind since he was picked, because he was drafted 7th in a draft with 6 clear top picks. Since then, he's done well in the AHL, and has gotten PT in the NHL which both speak for him – but during that time in the NHL, he hasn't shown much to make people believe he'll develop into a star. This year isn't make or break for him, but it is about the time you'd like to start to see progress. Let's see what he shows us.

 

[effen]

Totally. At this point just want him to go out there and be the best player he can be. In whatever way he can to help this team for the future. Just would suck to have two first round picks in that draft that started this rebuild and neither become top 6 consistent players. I still feel Chytil will be that player. Just helps ease the sting from a fans perspective.

You're looking at it half empty. In most worlds if neither become top 6 guys it's because Panarin stayed great, Kakko is what he thought he was, Kravstov met all expectations, and maybe someone else surprised or had chemistry with a linemate.

Having Chytil and Andersson on the 3rd line is like the best possible world. It means the team is deep as hell and not struggling for skill.

 

[offdacrossbar]

Weren't you furiously *********ing to the fact we drafted him now he's a 4th liner?

A ****ing 20 year old in his first go around in the NHL?

loved him on draft day. he was my guy. hes done little to make me feel like i was right.

hes shown little to warrant anything more than tempered expectations.

kids played 49 games hes got 8 points and a -12

its early sure, hes young. gotcha.

but so far, hes been as much of a disappointment as any 1st rounder in recent memory not named mcilrath.

its early yet so hes got time to show something, anything.

 

[Inferno]

For the record...I don't give a damn where lias was drafted... Nor do I care who we gave up to get that pick. It's pointless to even think about that. IMHO all that matters is who lias' is as a player and how he develops. That's it.

 

[Inferno]

loved him on draft day. he was my guy. hes done little to make me feel like i was right.

hes shown little to warrant anything more than tempered expectations.

kids played 49 games hes got 8 points and a -12

its early sure, hes young. gotcha.

but so far, hes been as much of a disappointment as any 1st rounder in recent memory not named mcilrath.

its early yet so hes got time to show something, anything.

8 points in 49 games is really rough... Even at his age.

 

[bl02]

You're looking at it half empty. In most worlds if neither become top 6 guys it's because Panarin stayed great, Kakko is what he thought he was, Kravstov met all expectations, and maybe someone else surprised or had chemistry with a linemate.

Having Chytil and Andersson on the 3rd line is like the best possible world. It means the team is deep as hell and not struggling for skill.

Maybe its me but I don't see Chytil as being a bottom 6 guy. I totally could be wrong but for me I have a feeling he's a top 6 guy even with Kravtsov and Kakko around. If he doesn't become our 2C i hope our top 6 wingers of the future are Panarin-Kakko-Kravtsov-Chytil (yes he should be better than Buch and obviously no money for Kreider).

 

[Miamipuck]

loved him on draft day. he was my guy. hes done little to make me feel like i was right.

hes shown little to warrant anything more than tempered expectations.

kids played 49 games hes got 8 points and a -12

its early sure, hes young. gotcha.

but so far, hes been as much of a disappointment as any 1st rounder in recent memory not named mcilrath.

its early yet so hes got time to show something, anything.

1.) I couldn't care less you were right once with McIlrath, the fact you mention him in almost every one of your posts is beyond annoying. It was almost a decade ago.

Lias has exactly nothing to do with DM. Excuse me less than nothing.

2. You said since he was drafted. What didn't you like about his D+1 year:

You didn't like the fact he was named Captain of Team Sweden?

You didn't like the fact he was the main driver of a line that included Pettersson at the WJC?

You didn't like the fact he played thru a shoulder injury and played well leading his team to a Silver?

Didn't like the fact he played exceptionally well for a teenager in both the SHL or the AHL in his D+1 season?

I mean I can see how his D+1 season could be such a tremendous disappointment...... Oh wait no I can't.

3.) You didn't like his D+2 year? When you finally got a chance to watch him?

Yeah he wasn't ready the NHL, LDO.

So to distill this down he disappointed you last year, not since he was drafted. Yet he still progressed somewhat.

 

[offdacrossbar]

1.) I couldn't care less you were right once with McIlrath, the fact you mention him in almost every one of your posts is beyond annoying. It was almost a decade ago.

Lias has exactly nothing to do with DM. Excuse me less than nothing.

2. You said since he was drafted. What didn't you like about his D+1 year:

You didn't like the fact he was named Captain of Team Sweden?

You didn't like the fact he was the main driver of a line that included Pettersson at the WJC?

You didn't like the fact he played thru a shoulder injury and played well leading his team to a Silver?

Didn't like the fact he played exceptionally well for a teenager in both the SHL or the AHL in his D+1 season?

I mean I can see how his D+1 season could be such a tremendous disappointment...... Oh wait no I can't.

3.) You didn't like his D+2 year? When you finally got a chance to watch him?


Yeah he wasn't ready the NHL, LDO.

So to distill this down he disappointed you last year, not since he was drafted. Yet he still progressed a bunch, go figure.

hes been legit bad since hes worn a ny ranger sweater. like real bad.

hes a .5 ppg guy in the AHL let that sink in. hes done little to earn a call up over guys like nieves and letteri.

hes like -35 combined in the ahl and nhl. again, let that marinate.

110 total pro games 42 points. total.

does that sound like a 3 zone player ? his bio doesnt even sound like him.

you are what your numbers say you are. and his numbers say hes been pretty bad.

hes been nothing short of a bust to this point.