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Player Discussion Lias Andersson: Part II

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Inferno said:
But see, I'm not seeing the progress though.. maybe it's just me? I saw a few good games with buch and lemieux but I found it hard to differentiate what was him and what was his linemates ..especially with how well howden looked in the same role.
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Lias in March 2019 was better than Lias in December 2018
Lias in December 2018 was better than Lias in May 2018
Lias in May 2018 was better than Lias in December 2017
Lias in December 2017 was better than Lias in April 2017
 
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Inferno said:
You know what I find funny? The fact that so many people use examples like this...when you can also use examples like Rob schremp, nail yakupov and a billion other prospects who were drafted high and then just didn't look like NHL players when they stepped on the ice.

I get what you guys are talking about.. I really do. But just because there are examples of something happening doesn't invalidate people's current evaluation of what a player has shown.

People love talking about lias' age...I mean can't we point out the opposite to you guys and say that at the age of 18 Jeff Skinner who was also a 7th is had 30 goals?

Of course not because it's ridiculous. We're all aware of his age and of what he has and hasn't done and what other players have done.

None of that invalidates what people see in his game. Some people see a guy with upside and motor and all sorts of good stuff. Some people see a guy who just doesn't look very good out there. It's just so... Lame.. to constantly throw his age out there. Chytil was younger than lias' and has looked much better than him. He's played on the 4th line.. he's been a healthy scratch, and he's still looked better. He hasn't looked like a superstar... But he's look better. I think looking better is all anyone is looking for in lias', just to look better than he currently has.
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What's wrong with an example of a similar situation? Sure use Schremp or Yakupov but there is a big difference between a player like Schremp or Yakupov who were one dimensional and a guy like Lias who was the captain of a very good Swedish team. The difference between comparisons like that is that one is a leader and the others relied on others around them to make them better. I'd accept another comparison if you have one but those two you mentioned were followers not leaders. Chytil's skating was more suitable to our top 6, I still think Lias needs work in that area most but I also dont think Lias was given the rope that Chytil and Howden were given for some reason and it may just be tough love because the coach knows he can be much better. I have no doubt he will grow with this core.
 
Inferno said:
But see, I'm not seeing the progress though.. maybe it's just me? I saw a few good games with buch and lemieux but I found it hard to differentiate what was him and what was his linemates ..especially with how well howden looked in the same role.
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You cant sore with the eagles if you are hanging out with the chickens. Averaged 10 mins this season most of that with 4th liners.
 
This is what I'm talkin bout willis
 

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Amazing Kreiderman said:
Lias in March 2019 was better than Lias in December 2018
Lias in December 2018 was better than Lias in May 2018
Lias in May 2018 was better than Lias in December 2017
Lias in December 2017 was better than Lias in April 2017
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I haven't seen much improvement at all from April 17 to March 19
 
In defense of Lias, the entire Rangers roster had only 3 players over 20 goals. If he’s developing slow it might have to do with a roster loaded with offensive players which barely developed without mentioning any names on defense which couldn’t contribute anything to help the forwards.
 
Inferno said:
Let's look at this logically right?

There are 12 forward spots for the rangers. None of us want to see him become a 4th liner so let's just say we want him in our top 9.

Let's also say we're totally willing to have him play wing, center, anywhere.

So. Where does he fall on the depth chart right now?

He's 100% behind zibanejad, buchnevich, panarin. That leaves 6 spots.

Let's assume all 3 of strome kreider and namestnikov are not long term answers and are gone.

Let's also assume kakko and kravtsov are long term guys .

So that leaves a total of 4 spots left

So...lias' is fighting for 4 spots with howden, chytil and lemieux right now


That's great. He's got a spot!

That also means it literally take 1 player to knock him off the team. It's true for chytil howden and lemieux as well or course...but all 3 have accomplished more... Which is why his spot is so tenuous... And this is not including 3 top 9 players currently on the roster.
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Maybe Lias knocks Buch out of a spot.
 
Kupo said:
Lias is already 20 freaking years old.

Put a fork in his development.

Bigger bust than Jessiman + McIlrath.

We should buy him out.

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It's funny I've been looking at aging curves.... 24 is peak but if you look at year over year improvements from 20 to 24 it's not as massive as you'd think... Again they're just average curves for forwards. But it's interesting to look at regardless.
 
Inferno said:
It's funny I've been looking at aging curves.... 24 is peak but if you look at year over year improvements from 20 to 24 it's not as massive as you'd think... Again they're just average curves for forwards. But it's interesting to look at regardless.
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Definitely interesting, but I think a 20 year old kid with 49 NHL games on his resume has plenty of growth left.

Guess we’ll see!
 
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to this point. means up until now hes been pedestrian at best.

his body of work to date, below average.

lots of time left, however, if you have eyes, hes been very underwhelming so far
 
Thirty One said:
That's a moronic use of the word bust, then. Bust implies a finality. A caterpiller isn't a bust before it becomes a butterfly.
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context my friend. context.

legit bust= mcilrath

potential bust or bust in progress or a fluid bust or a bust in the making

lias isnt a bust yet.

hopefully he wont be a bust.

now im about to bust a move....
 
Kupo said:
Definitely interesting, but I think a 20 year old kid with 49 NHL games on his resume has plenty of growth left.

Guess we’ll see!
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Yep for sure. My issue has been how he's looked out there more than his actual production.

I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again. I thought for sure grachev was a star in the making. I thought Ryan Callahan would be lucky to ever sniff the NHL as a regular. I was pissed we passed on gormley to draft mcilrath...

It's just my opinion and what I'm seeing here...I've been wrong plenty....hoping I'm wrong again here.
 
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Lol wtf.... I mean pegging the kid a bust to any degree or with whatever lipstick you put on the word is crazy.

Backing it up with that logic is just comical though.
 
I think Lias will surprise a lot of people next year. He played a very limited defensive role when he was up in the NHL but he has some interesting tools and I really liked him in his draft year. I’ve said this before but slower/weaker skaters take a longer time to get going in the league, even if that seems obvious it’s usually true with guys like Timo Meier and Colin White who both were in the same position as Lias at one point. Both play very similar games to Lias as well. I think he’d succeed as Kreider’s successor in the net front position which is why I really want to see him and Zib on the same line, they’re close friends as well. Check out some highlights of his WJC

He excels around the net and when he plays with a playmaker. Another good comparable to Lias may be Joe Pavelski as well. Just very high IQ, hard working players. I also said in his draft year that I think his defense will become Selke-caliber one day, and I think that area of his game has gone unnoticed. I was impressed by him on the PK as well.
 
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Lays said:
I think Lias will surprise a lot of people next year. He played a very limited defensive role when he was up in the NHL but he has some interesting tools and I really liked him in his draft year. I’ve said this before but slower/weaker skaters take a longer time to get going in the league, even if that seems obvious it’s usually true with guys like Timo Meier and Colin White who both were in the same position as Lias at one point. Both play very similar games to Lias as well. I think he’d succeed as Kreider’s successor in the net front position which is why I really want to see him and Zib on the same line, they’re close friends as well. Check out some highlights of his WJC

He excels around the net and when he plays with a playmaker. Another good comparable to Lias may be Joe Pavelski as well. Just very high IQ, hard working players. I also said in his draft year that I think his defense will become Selke-caliber one day, and I think that area of his game has gone unnoticed. I was impressed by him on the PK as well.
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Great hands in front on that clip there.

Do you ever listen to the bleeding blueshirts podcast with giannone and Maloney?

I rememebr at 1 point last year the 2 of them talked about how lias' wasn't really moving his feet..it wasn't that he was slow it's that he was standing around a lot..and how instead of actively getting players he was constantly pointing at players other guys should get.

I could be misremembering...I mean it's been months and I listen to like 4 or 5 different but podcasts but I'm pretty sure I'm right...

It's kinda what I remember seeing with lias. He wasnt moving his feet.. I think that's my big concern... But it's certainly correctable. Buchnevich started to move his feet towards the end of the year last year and started to play like a monster.

I'd be very eager to see lias play the game with his feet moving...then I'd be a lot more forgiving of the rest of his issues. Even if he's slow, he can get there if he tries... I always felt like his effort level was really poor in the games he played.

Maybe he was overwhelmed? Nervous? Unsure?

I'll ad.it I never watched him play internationally nor at Hartford. Was he moving his feet? Did he engage in the play? This is where having the time to watch minor league hockey would help me see what you guys are seeing. I'm basing my opinions on him 100 percent from his 40odd games with the big club.
 
He reminds me of Rostislav Olesz (and I saw Every one of Rusty’s games during his first few years in Florida). There. I said it. Two way natural center who can play wing, good size, limited offensive upside, fair skating. The rest is in the details — at least thats what I’ve seen from Lias so far.
 
when the season starts Lias will be 21. Not a baby anymore. He's been disappointing, no other way to spin. Doesn't mean he can't develop into a good player still. He might need more time. Luckily with all the guys we've drafted since, we don't really have to hang all our hopes on him. But if he does end up a bust? Oh well. Nobody goes 100% on their picks, even 1st rounders.
 
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