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Speculation: Lias Andersson asks for a trade - Part II

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Kovalev27 said:
trivializing mental health? They didn’t do that. they said he doesn’t have any mental health issues. Pretty sure the agent would know if he did. The kid sounds like mentally he’s not in a good place when it comes to his career and hockey right now. That can be as simple as being disappointed about how things have gone. But if he doesn’t have any real mental health issues like depression or bipolar disorder, it’s good reporting to report exactly that.
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Agreed.

There's a difference between burnout and treatable mental health problems. Sometimes the two coincide. Sometimes they do not. This idea that Dreger and an agent are "trivializing mental health" is f***ing laughable. It's so unbelievably disingenuous, although sadly expected unfortunately.
 
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Kovalev27 said:
trivializing mental health? They didn’t do that. they said he doesn’t have any mental health issues. Pretty sure the agent would know if he did. The kid sounds like mentally he’s not in a good place when it comes to his career and hockey right now. That can be as simple as being disappointed about how things have gone. But if he doesn’t have any real mental health issues like depression or bipolar disorder, it’s good reporting to report exactly that.
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Why would the agent know?!? They are definitely trivializing mental health issues talking like that and going out with a quote like that...
 
ManUtdTobbe said:
The only Inside information i have is that Swedish is my 1st language and i’ve read the interviews...

Your overall views always come across as terrible, no surprise your views on mental health are from the 50s too.
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So put up or shut up. More vague nonsense from you. Tell us all what we are missing. Stop being lazy and taking personal shots at me.

Or just do your usual and do nothing but take pot shots.
 
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I don't know why happened or didn't happen, but I have to question why anyone connected with Lias would advise any step he's taken thus far.

If he's having a health concern, be it mental or physical, or both, it should be brought up to the medical staff and the team.

If the team is unresponsive, that's where he has resources (and cover) with his agent and his union. For chrissakes, his father was a n NHL, he knows that.

If indeed there is a problem, have your reps handle the situation so you can control the message and let them do what they get paid to do. Not only would you have better odds of having the problem addressed, your team has a chance to make it obvious who the culprit is.

It's not that I don't believe Lias, because I don't know what's transpired, but there's so many unusual missteps and decisions along the way that there's no way to have at least some degree of skepticism. Even if, like most circumstances, there's some truth and wrong on both sides, I find it hard to believe that this is the advice he is receiving.

Because if it is, then his inner circle is not doing a very good job of guiding him, and if indeed they're telling him not to take the approach he's taking, then he's cutting off his nose despite his face.
 
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ManUtdTobbe said:
Why would the agent know?!? They are definitely trivializing mental health issues talking like that and going out with a quote like that...
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Nonsense. The agent is likely in direct, frequent contact with Lias and would know his health history. That's kind of the agent's literal job. If Lias is not sharing things with the agent, that's a different story and is unfortunately a problem for Lias.

The idea that someone trivialized a mental health issue is absurd. Stop the hyperbolic garbage.
 
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Hunter Gathers said:
Nonsense. The agent is likely in direct, frequent contact with Lias and would know his health history. That's kind of the agent's literal job. If Lias is not sharing things with the agent, that's a different story and is unfortunately a problem for Lias.

The idea that someone trivialized a mental health issue is absurd. Stop the hyperbolic garbage.
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If my agent talked publically about my mental health i’d fire him on the spot... there’s no reason why Lias would talk about his mental health with his agent...
 
ManUtdTobbe said:
Why would the agent know?!? They are definitely trivializing mental health issues talking like that and going out with a quote like that...
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you don’t think a professional sports agent would know if one of their clients was suffering from a mental disorder? And more so you dont think they’d check up on it after an interview like that and having reporters calling and asking about it?
 
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Edge said:
I don't know why happened or didn't happen, but I have to question why anyone connected with Lias would advise any step he's taken thus far.

If he's having a health concern, be it mental or physical, or both, it should be brought up to the medical staff and the team.

If the team is unresponsive, that's where he has resources (and cover) with his agent and his union. For chrissakes, his father was a n NHL, he knows that.

If indeed there is a problem, have your reps handle the situation so you can control the message and let them do what they get paid to do. Not only would you have better odds of having the problem addressed, you're team has a chance to make it obvious who the culprit is.

It's not that I don't believe Lias, because I don't know what's transpired, but there's so many unusual missteps and decisions along the way that there's no way to have at least some degree of skepticism. Even if, like most circumstances, there's some truth and wrong on both sides, I find it hard to believe that this is the advice he is receiving.

Because if it is, then his inner circle is not doing a very good job of guiding him, and if indeed they're telling him not to take the approach he's taking, then he's cutting off his nose despite his face.
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Well said, Edge. As earlier said, it is clear that he and his agent are not on the same book let alone the same page.

Either Lias is hiding something from his agent (which is just completely moronic from him) or his agent is just bad. Looking at his agents clients, I don't think the latter is likely.

It honestly looks like Lias is basically going about this himself without advice at this point.
 
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Kovalev27 said:
you don’t think a professional sports agent would know if one of their clients was suffering from a mental disorder? And more so you dont think they’d check up on it after an interview like that and having reporters calling and asking about it?
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No i don’t, thats kinda how mental health issues work... you dont really talk about them ‍♂️
 
ManUtdTobbe said:
If my agent talked publically about my mental health i’d fire him on the spot... there’s no reason why Lias would talk about his mental health with his agent...
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I don't think you understand what an agent does. There is a big reason why a player would discuss something like that with their agent.

Still waiting for all of this inside information that you have, here. Translate the full interview for us since none of us apparently understand everything and we are all stupid. If you want to disrespect everyone on here, then do some actual work.
 
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ManUtdTobbe said:
Feel free to not read my tweets then.
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I've dealt with racism and bullying all my life and now I'm at a point where I'm able to help others. Funny thing is you can always tell when someone isn't facing the real truth about their situation. Or for instance someone like you who sits behind his computer acting like he knows the situation better than professions who are literally trained for these situations. But keep being a know it all. That'll get u far.
 
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ManUtdTobbe said:
The only Inside information i have is that Swedish is my 1st language and i’ve read the interviews...

Your overall views always come across as terrible, no surprise your views on mental health are from the 50s too.
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Do you have a problem with the translation in Vince’s article he put together with the Swedish reporter who actually took and was there for the interview? If so please be specific.
 
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Crease said:
Sports labor law fascinates me and is the reason I went to law school. I enjoy my practice (and I'm very good at it) but posts like yours give me a twinge of regret that I didn't pursue that area of law.
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A cool thing to do when you're done actively practicing law, or when you want to step away and only work a few cases, is to become an arbitrator. They're all just lawyers who are basically not in active practice. They obviously charge high rates and make demands of the parties like travel, room and board, every other thing under the sun be paid for up front, and so on. It's a sweet gig. I have met many of them and while a few have been giant douchebags that think they know literally everything, most of them are cool, and work in a specialized area because they really enjoy it.
 
Edge said:
I don't know why happened or didn't happen, but I have to question why anyone connected with Lias would advise any step he's taken thus far.

If he's having a health concern, be it mental or physical, or both, it should be brought up to the medical staff and the team.

If the team is unresponsive, that's where he has resources (and cover) with his agent and his union. For chrissakes, his father was a n NHL, he knows that.

If indeed there is a problem, have your reps handle the situation so you can control the message and let them do what they get paid to do. Not only would you have better odds of having the problem addressed, your team has a chance to make it obvious who the culprit is.

It's not that I don't believe Lias, because I don't know what's transpired, but there's so many unusual missteps and decisions along the way that there's no way to have at least some degree of skepticism. Even if, like most circumstances, there's some truth and wrong on both sides, I find it hard to believe that this is the advice he is receiving.

Because if it is, then his inner circle is not doing a very good job of guiding him, and if indeed they're telling him not to take the approach he's taking, then he's cutting off his nose despite his face.
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I think everyone can agree he has acted irrationally. Which is not exactly a check in the "Everything is ok in Lias head" column.
 
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kovazub94 said:
Do you have a problem with the translation in Vince’s article he put together with the Swedish reporter who actually took and was there for the interview? If so please be specific.
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I don’t per se, but if the takeaway is what Lias agent Said then something definitely went missing in the translation.
 
nyr2k2 said:
A cool thing to do when you're done actively practicing law, or when you want to step away and only work a few cases, is to become an arbitrator. They're all just lawyers who are basically not in active practice. They obviously charge high rates and make demands of the parties like travel, room and board, every other thing under the sun be paid for up front, and so on. It's a sweet gig. I have met many of them and while a few have been giant *****ebags that think they know literally everything, most of them are cool, and work in a specialized area because they really enjoy it.
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In my practice, most disputes are resolved through mediation or arbitration. Agree--it's a good gig.
 
ManUtdTobbe said:
No i don’t, thats kinda how mental health issues work... you dont really talk about them ‍♂️
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no my friend that is quite literally the opposite of what should and would happen. If Lias was diagnosed with a mental disorder that is being ignored by the organization the nhl and the pa would step in. It is the agents job to know these things. To know their physical and mental issues.

the agent almost certainly would not tell a reporter that the player has no diagnosed issues. I’m sure he has spoken to lias since the interview to clear that up before commenting. If anything the agent would say we aren’t going to make a comment on lias’ situation at this time while they do more evaluations.

its literally his agents job to be on top of this and speak for him when needed
 
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