Speculation: Lias Andersson asks for a trade - Part II

[RangersFan1994]

Like I mentioned previously IF there is a mental health issue I hope the kid can get better and maybe going back home away from hockey was for the best. It seems like that there are red flags that were missed by management. Obviously we know Gordie Clark was over the moon about his intangibles and toughness, it just been a big misfire

all I see is someone who thinks he is more important than the team. he has not worked on anything and if he did, it did not show much in training camp and preseason. he has character issues. i don't see the winner scouts and Rangers management saw. scouting needs to improve. why has NYR not addressed this major flaw in the organization

 

[East Coast Bias]

What an absolute cluster f*** this is. Just a mess all around.

 

[Edge]

Let's even assume the Rangers dropped the ball, the people around Lias should be working to help him --- whether it's a mental issue, a physical issue, all of the above, or none of the above.

And as part of that help, I find it hard to believe they're advising him to keep making the situation more confusing and convoluted.

Let's go the opposite way and go with the approach that he didn't tell anyone, no one had any idea, and they are playing catch-up. The people around Lias should still be working to help him, because obviously something is deeply wrong --- whether it's mental, phsyical, all of the above, or none of the above.

And arriving at the conclusion that something is obviously wrong, regardless of the cause, or the timing of when others knew, I can't imagine that the help and advice he is being offered includes taking this approach. Because if it does, then those who are supposed to be helping Andersson might just be part of the problem.

 

[kovazub94]

This I disagree with. There are literally millions of people who suffer from mental health disorders that are never diagnosed, either because they avoid treatment, don't know how to seek help, or don't even realize that anything is wrong.

My grandmother on my father's side was one of the more mentally ill people I've ever encountered--the had the bipolar disorder endemic to the DeMillo family, she had panic disorder, and on and on--but she was never diagnosed by a medical professional or treated. She self-medicated and refused to acknowledge anything was wrong.

It's so, so, so common for mental illnesses to be undiagnosed.

You responded to a general statement but the situation around your grandmother (sorry to hear) and Lias’ is quite different on a lot of levels.

Edit: Meaning that it’s a lot less likely that Lisa’s condition if there was one would be left undetected at this point.

 

[Edge]

Re: Andersson’s NHL future, it depends.

If there is a mental health issue, or a physical issue, and it gets addressed, and he steps back on the ice, he could very well have an NHL future. He wouldn’t be the first guy to overcome either of those obstacles.

Likewise, if there is misconduct on the Rangers part, Andersson could back and resume trying to carve out an NHL career.

However, if it’s a matter of conflict resolution, and Andersson just didn’t like the way things were handled and decided to bolt, that will likely hurt his future chances.

So I don’t think his future is decided at this point.

 

[Irishguy42]

They would if he actually was being bullied or actually was being treated wrong. That's why I really distrust what is coming from Lias right now.

The NHLPA should've been involved from the get-go if there was an actual issue. That's what they specialize in.

As the NHLPA has been sidelined in this, it makes me distrust everything coming from Lias. I cannot imagine his agent, who is a pretty decent one, sitting the NHLPA out of this if there were actual issues.

Yeah, I'm not willing to take a strong stance on any part of this considering the NHLPA has been basically not mentioned at all in this.

Kinda weird.

 

[Kovalev27]

And sure enough dregs just tweeted lias wanted his agent to confirm there was nothing of the sort afflicting him. As I said the agent never would have made that statement out of the blue.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

The foot thing is weird too. Reminds me of the NY Jets offensive lineman Osemele who thought he needed shoulder surgery, eventually found a second or third opinion to give it to him, but the team doctors were convinced he was fine. What would injuries to both Andersson's feet be, though? And the Osemele issue was an NFLPA "union thing" basically from day 1 IIRC.

Ultimately we don't have enough information. And if he was a nothing player/draft bust, it's not like I care more about the trade for idk a third round draft pick from the Florida Panthers than I do about the guy getting his life together.

 

[Levitate]

you know what this whole thing is a f***ing joke

f***ing tired of the cloak and dagger shit and everyone's some kind of insider that has the real story but they can't tell it and oh there's horrible things hidden under the surface and blah blah blah

f*** it, just either shut the f*** up or come out with it and get thigns resolved one way or another. This leaking bits and pieces here and there is horse shit

 

[EdJovanovski]

And sure enough dregs just tweeted lias wanted his agent to confirm there was nothing of the sort afflicting him. As I said the agent never would have made that statement out of the blue.

Yup everyone is so quick to be outraged lol

 

[EdJovanovski]

im still thinking this has less to do with mental health and all that comes with that very serious issue and more to do with acting like a child and now realizing hes screwed the proverbial pooch.

he seems to be making things worse the more he spins this.

damage control comes in many colors.

hopefully he shuts up, apologizes, grows up and gets back to work in hartford.

oh and work on your skating too will ya.

Mental health is the perfectly convenient cop out and would make him impenetrable by criticism

 

[NYR Viper]

you know what this whole thing is a ****ing joke

****ing tired of the cloak and dagger **** and everyone's some kind of insider that has the real story but they can't tell it and oh there's horrible things hidden under the surface and blah blah blah

**** it, just either shut the **** up or come out with it and get thigns resolved one way or another. This leaking bits and pieces here and there is horse ****

Yeah this is getting on my nerves too

 

[Kovalev27]

By the way there are still people upset on Twitter that this doesn’t mean he isn’t suffering from mental disorders even though he himself wanted it clarified thru his agent. Amazing

 

[nyr2k2]

You responded to a general statement but the situation around your grandmother (sorry to hear) and Lias’ is quite different on a lot of levels.

Edit: Meaning that it’s a lot less likely that Lisa’s condition if there was one would be left undetected at this point.

Yes, for sure. I was merely commenting on undiagnosed mental illness. I didn't mean to imply that this was relevant to Lias or his situation.

 

[Kovalev27]

This is going down a path that one day will lead to not saying bad things about shit players because MAYBE they have an undiagnosed mental issue that is affecting them.

F THAT

it is my right to criticize bad hockey players and praise good ones and vice versa as I see fit ffs.

If there is something wrong with a guy and we know about it then by all means get better I even said that a few pages back and actually felt bad for him. But if there’s nothing and you’re just a diva f*** off

 

[East Coast Bias]

His agents statement didn’t do anyone favors.

I don’t say that to defend Lias. Just to say that a professional agent, if directed by their client to clarify something, shouldn’t drop that shit sandwich to Dreger on the phone and call it a day.

 

[Levitate]

He's doing himself a disservice by speaking out in Sweden for no real reason. It's helping no one.

I feel like these people kind of know that any interview they give will end up translated back in the US etc, but also while they know that they don't really KNOW that in a way that would make them guarded about talking about things like they would talking to the NA press. You feel comfortable in your home country and want to talk to some friendly sports reporters, you know maybe people will hear about it but whatever, that's so far away...

Then it blows up and becomes a bigger issue because you didn't think that in this day every bit of information is everywhere

 

[Levitate]

Yeah this is getting on my nerves too

Even if the Rangers are in the wrong they're not out there slinging veiled accusations around and muddying the waters.

If you're gonna leave the team and say you're ready to sit out 1.5 years without playing any hockey at all then you sure as hell can talk about what's going on rather than say "no I can't talk about that". If you personally can't talk about it, then stop dropping hints and allegations, if you professionally can't...well you already ran out on your team and burned bridges do you really think this little smoke screen is going to do you any favors?

I dunno maybe the Rangers did some horrible shit but it's time to put up or shut up

e: as for the mental health thing, it's equally if not more so gross to internet diagnose someone with legitimate mental health issues based on a few sentences. It's just plain disgusting. We can speculate but to assert something like that when the person themselves has not said it is an actual terrible thing to do and you should be ashamed

 

[Kovalev27]

I’d try to negotiate termination of his contract. I’m certainly not loaning him anywhere and picking up the tab. There isn’t an nhl gm that wants him. That much is certain. I want him out of my organization at this point. It’s one thing requesting a trade. It’s quite another showing up at a public event taking an interview dressed like Justin Bieber and bad mouthing the organization and complaining about all the horrible things done to you but not actually saying what they were other than not gifting you the 2nd line center ice spot after a couple decent preseason games.

 

[JayMan82]

Mental health is the perfectly convenient cop out and would make him impenetrable by criticism

I think Lias showed his hand where he changed topics regarding how he felt like he earned a spot behind Zibby... This reeks of someone that is upset that he didn't get something he thought he earned and is raising a stink rather than putting his head down and going to work (queue DQ quote about Shesty).

 

[Trxjw]

Can't help but think that Lias is getting some bad advice from his inner circle. If you feel like you're being mistreated in any capacity by the team, coaches, or other players, the NHLPA is there for you to go to. If you're injured and aren't getting the medical treatment you need, or you feel like you're being forced to play, the NHLPA is again there.

My initial reaction to his interview was that it felt like a kid trying to paint a bit of a sob story, and in doing so he was really blurring the lines between "I was unhappy" and "I was severely mistreated and depressed." Perhaps not deliberately, but by being vague and leaving it up to other people to fill in the blanks or interpret what he meant.

Either way, this is a pretty bad look for him.

 

[offdacrossbar]

like what happened to him to create this weird undercurrent of mystery?

this is like a spy novel all of a sudden.

mystery injury
mental illness
bullying
vague references to poor treatment
assumptions of making the team

its all too social media for me.

didn't like kravtsov and how he behaved and his actions after he left either.

 

[EdJovanovski]

The irony of us picking this guy because of his character

 

[Harbour Dog]

This is exactly what I said was happening yesterday. As soon as the first person interpreted Lias as saying that he had a mental illness, the whole thing took on a life of its own.

I do think that he worded it poorly, but he was clearly trying to make the point that the Rangers had treated him very poorly and torn his confidence down; without stating anything factual.

He's not in a good place mentally. Period.

Until we get something definitive from one side or the other, we'd all be better off if we just took a breath a re-read the things that we are reacting to.

 

[Leetch3]

all due respect, this whole thing both here, twitter, etc is just non-stop people jumping to their own conclusions and turning it into a rant about mental health in general when literally NONE of us know the true details of what is going on. regardless of whether or not he has mental health issues or not, people needs to stop guessing and running with the theory they made up in their minds like they know what Lias is or isn't thinking. the comments he made were vague and could have meant different things. eventually the truth will probably play out and we will find out. but i think everyone should take a deep breath and chill till we actually know more.