Speculation: Lias Andersson asks for a trade - Part II

[Hunter Gathers]

No one knows but those involved at this current time.

That's the problem. Lias Andersson is directly involved in creating a speculative situation because he is purposely vague-booking this saga.

This is anecdotal in my part, but I cannot think of a single time when someone who has said something like "I'll get to that later, but now isn't the time" and actually had something really bad happen to them. It tends to be something someone says to try and push blame elsewhere.

Those that vague-book like this are normally in the wrong. At a minimum, partially to blame.

 

[Edge]

No one knows but those involved at this current time.

I think that’s fine - then stopping talking about it and or alluding to it.

It’s like when people go on social media with a vague post about being done wrong, and then following up with “I can’t talk about it.”

Then don’t take the time to bring it up in the first place!

 

[JimmyG89]

That's the problem. Lias Andersson is directly involved in creating a speculative situation because he is purposely vague-booking this saga.

This is anecdotal in my part, but I cannot think of a single time when someone who has said something like "I'll get to that later, but now isn't the time" and actually had something really bad happen to them. It tends to be something someone says to try and push blame elsewhere.

Those that vague-book like this are normally in the wrong. At a minimum, partially to blame.

Oddly enough with that translation, it says his agent is not letting him speak. Could be smart, but then don't even do the interview to begin with. Just say no comment and that you're there to see your brother play his first SHL game and move on.

 

[kovazub94]

Can't help but think that Lias is getting some bad advice from his inner circle. If you feel like you're being mistreated in any capacity by the team, coaches, or other players, the NHLPA is there for you to go to. If you're injured and aren't getting the medical treatment you need, or you feel like you're being forced to play, the NHLPA is again there.

My initial reaction to his interview was that it felt like a kid trying to paint a bit of a sob story, and in doing so he was really blurring the lines between "I was unhappy" and "I was severely mistreated and depressed." Perhaps not deliberately, but by being vague and leaving it up to other people to fill in the blanks or interpret what he meant.

Either way, this is a pretty bad look for him.

I don't think it's the case. He's not 18 yo. He's spent time around in North America in general and in the organization specifically. I think it's his own doing. Actually, I think he is a contrary advice but chooses to disregard it.

 

[Levitate]

He seems to be roundabout making the case that he was belittled by the coaching staff or organization in some way and it happened enough to bring him down or upset him.

Whether it was real or perceived, who knows.

Part of me wonder if those guys back to the stuff Ola mentioned about how upset the organization was with what a bad showing they all put on in that Traverse City tournament, maybe somethings were said.
Maybe following on that the coaches have just been saying to him "straight up you're too slow and can't play at the pace we need you to at the NHL level" and being told they dont' think he's good enough has been bad for him.
I dunno

Again this is why I start to get annoyed about this crap. You put out just enough stuff to make people come up with all kinds of theories but then say "oh I can't talk about it' which is BS since you already are talking about it and essentially putting on a media campaign against the team.

 

[kovazub94]

all due respect, this whole thing both here, twitter, etc is just non-stop people jumping to their own conclusions and turning it into a rant about mental health in general when literally NONE of us know the true details of what is going on. regardless of whether or not he has mental health issues or not, people needs to stop guessing and running with the theory they made up in their minds like they know what Lias is or isn't thinking. the comments he made were vague and could have meant different things. eventually the truth will probably play out and we will find out. but i think everyone should take a deep breath and chill till we actually know more.

I don't know if you were responding to someone with this post but with all due respect this crisis, or the level it got to, was created by Lias himself, first by leaving the organization and now by giving this interview and making vague reference and accusations of being mistreated.

While I agree we should not just jump to conclusions, we have every right to analyze the situation based on available information, parties involved (or not involved) and potential implications to both the player and organization.

 

[nyr2k2]

Yep, it's all f***ing ridiculous. Drop bread crumbs that lead us to nothing. Then people are left to mindlessly speculate. Either open up, or shut the f*** up. I mean he's free to do what ever the hell he wants, honestly, but if he feels like he wants to explain things and let people know what's really going on then he literally could not be doing a worse job.

 

[PanniniClaus]

Call him a bust and move on.. He can play in Sweden like many others have that couldn't make the grade. His trade value is lower than low.

 

[kovazub94]

I'm finding it hard to believe that someone who comes from a hockey family has landed in this situation. I honestly don't believe his father and/or brother advised him to do this. Which makes one wonder who he is listening to or, in the alternative, whether he has tuned everyone out and is making these decisions on his own.

Yup. Looks like a situation where he thinks he knows better than anyone.

 

[Levitate]

I mean I'll also be clear that if there are legitimate allegations that members of the coaching staff or management or anyone involved with the Rangers were systematically abusing and bullying him then the Rangers need to make sure every person involved is fired even if that includes Gorton, Sather, Drury, Quinn, Knoblauch, whoever.

 

[Edge]

Yep, it's all ****ing ridiculous. Drop bread crumbs that lead us to nothing. Then people are left to mindlessly speculate. Either open up, or shut the **** up. I mean he's free to do what ever the hell he wants, honestly, but if he feels like he wants to explain things and let people know what's really going on then he literally could not be doing a worse job.

And a lot of this circles back to comments on approach earlier.

I don’t know what happened. I’ve seen some reactions from people with the team, but not discussed any specifics one or the other. And truthfully, I don’t have to know, nor do I feel it is something owed to me.

Having said that, the actual handling from his side just goes from bad to worse at every stop along the way.

Can’t talk about it? Don’t want to? That’s fine. That’s his prerogative.

But then stop alluding to things and putting out half statements and then clarifications on half statements. And have your dad put out half statements.

All you have to say is “I’m not going to discuss the matter at this time.”

No half-way statements.

No clarifies.

Papa doesn’t have to talk either.

No vague promises of the truth coming out.

I don’t need half the details about your feet.

Just go right back to the original talking point - I’m not going to discuss the matter right now. If you stick with that, you don’t need anything else.

If you can’t or don’t want to talk about something, then STOP TALKING ABOUT IT.

 

[Inferno]

I don't know why happened or didn't happen, but I have to question why anyone connected with Lias would advise any step he's taken thus far.

If he's having a health concern, be it mental or physical, or both, it should be brought up to the medical staff and the team.

If the team is unresponsive, that's where he has resources (and cover) with his agent and his union. For chrissakes, his father was a n NHL, he knows that.

If indeed there is a problem, have your reps handle the situation so you can control the message and let them do what they get paid to do. Not only would you have better odds of having the problem addressed, your team has a chance to make it obvious who the culprit is.

It's not that I don't believe Lias, because I don't know what's transpired, but there's so many unusual missteps and decisions along the way that there's no way to have at least some degree of skepticism. Even if, like most circumstances, there's some truth and wrong on both sides, I find it hard to believe that this is the advice he is receiving.

Because if it is, then his inner circle is not doing a very good job of guiding him, and if indeed they're telling him not to take the approach he's taking, then he's cutting off his nose despite his face.

Despite his face what?

 

[Chimpradamus]

I think that’s fine - then stopping talking about it and or alluding to it.

It’s like when people go on social media with a vague post about being done wrong, and then following up with “I can’t talk about it.”

Then don’t take the time to bring it up in the first place!

Social media? All I wrote was quoted by Swedish newspapers who have talked directly with Lias. He stated he cannot be specific because of bureaucracy. So I cannot speculate in any way in terms of bringing up what Andersson himself - and his father - said, but all the other people speculating on pure, personal opinions in this thread is ok? Is that your message? As long as the goat can be slain and the clan can stay intact, everything is fine? Ok.

So if anyone, in any way doesn't fit the official NYR narrative, it doesn't have a place? Then it's unfit to speculate.

 

[Edge]

Despite his face what?

If there is something that needs to be addressed that is a problem, he’s not helping his cause.

If it turns out there’s nothing, other than hurt feelings, he’s really not helping his cause by alluding to some kind of amazing truth that will be revealed with time.

 

[Edge]

Social media? All I wrote was quoted by Swedish newspapers who have talked directly with Lias. He stated he cannot be specific because of bureaucracy. So I cannot speculate in any way in terms of bringing up what Andersson himself - and his father - said, but all the other people speculating on pure, personal opinions in this thread is ok? Is that your message? As long as the goat can be slain and the clan can stay intact, everything is fine? Ok.

So if anyone, in any way doesn't fit the official NYR narrative, it doesn't have a place?

Huh?

Im referring to Andersson’s approach being similar to one people take on social media. It has nothing to do with you or your translation. You’re not the story.

 

[Inferno]

If there is something that needs to be addressed that is a problem, he’s not helping his cause.

If it turns out there’s nothing, other than hurt feelings, he’s really not helping his cause by alluding to some kind of amazing truth that will be revealed with time.

I was being a smart ass...it's to spite your face..not despite your face...

 

[Chimpradamus]

Huh?

Im referring to Andersson’s approach being similar to one people take on social media. It has nothing to do with you or your translation. You’re not the story.

Ok, my bad. It did fit a nice narrative of martyrdom though. Dammit!

 

[Edge]

I was being a smart ass...it's to spite your face..not despite your face...

I hate my phone.

 

[Edge]

Ok, my bad. It did fit a nice narrative of martyrdom though. Dammit!

yeah, I meant it as a retort to him, not you.

Unless you’re writing his talking points, then it was aimed at you.

 

[Chimpradamus]

yeah, I meant it as a retort to him, not you.

Unless you’re writing his talking points, then it was aimed at you.

Unfortunately I didn't. It's so much easier to argue in conflict.

 

[JimmyG89]

What is the worst part of this? There are so many things going well with the young players in this franchise:

Kakko has started to get going at the NHL level, looking much stronger after his slump.
Chytil took the AHL assignment, crushed it, came back with a vengeance and has provided pretty good 200ft play from a very young center.
Fox is killing it at the NHL level.
TDA is ripping it up and pacing at 60 points.
Lemieux has shown progress into becoming a pesky bottom 6 player.
Shesterkin had an amazing 1st start after a rough beginning to the game.
Georgiev is showing he's a legit NHL goalie.
Howden has played better after a switch to the wing.
Keane is an AHL all star in his rookie year.
Lindgren is becoming an NHL regular and providing something the defense has lacked for a long while.
Lundkvist is having a fantastic year in the SHL and played extremely well in the WJC.
Jones is having a great freshman season and had a strong WJC, playing ahead of some higher picks.
Huska has gotten better in the AHL in year 2.
Kravstov has had his issues, but it now back and he's playing inspired hockey, without high production, in the AHL at 20.
Pajuneimi was tearing up LIIGA a week ago.
Wall is killing it again in the NCAA.

This doesn't even include Miller having a so/so season in Wisconsin and an average WJC and Henriksson, who showed solidly in the WJC.

Andersson has been the one real guy that did not grow and now we're dealing with teenager drama. Hoping he goes back to being quiet and we can focus on the things that are progressing quite well for this franchise.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Is it cynical of me to mention that this is coming out in aftermath of the Babcock and Peters' firings?

 

[Inferno]

Here's my take on lias Andersson.

Outside of this preseason, I personally never saw more than a 3rd line player at best in him. This is just my take on him as a player. It felt like if he felt the absolute peak of his abilities, he'd be a guy like Steve rucchin. At absolute best a Steve rucchin, but odds are more like a Brian Boyle type 4th liner.

That's a terrible pick at 7. I hate low ceiling high floor guys particularly so high in the draft. I wanted brannstrom, or necas and wasn't happy at all with lias.

All the rest of this nonsense doesn't mean much to me. All that matters to me is that as a player, he's always looked blah.right now all he's doing is hurting his trade value, and that's his perogative. However I still blame the team for taking him in the first place.

 

[Levitate]

Is it cynical of me to mention that this is coming out in aftermath of the Babcock and Peters' firings?

No but it's also another thing where the kid either needs to speak up or shut up.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Is it cynical of me to mention that this is coming out in aftermath of the Babcock and Peters' firings?

I think so. Babcock has a history of being an ass. There is more than circumstantial evidence/history that Peters is a racist. Quinn has been coaching at the NHL level all of 18 months.

I THINK this is more of a case of Quinn just being a genuine hard ass and Andersson, despite the image he tried to put out there, being soft as baby ****.