Speculation: Lias Andersson asks for a trade - Part II

[LORDE]

There’s a big part of me that hopes (w the info we have so far) that he’s watching Chytil and Shesty and Kravtsov and thinking “oh shit. What did I just do?”

 

[JCProdigy]

Holy f***....Rangers' actions, Lias' reactions, twitter's reactions, Lias' reactions to those reactions, and this thread...

It all makes me laugh and cry at the same time. Humans...wow, humans.

 

[Mike in Houston]

 

[Levitate]

Half a world away, with Andersson’s words available only through translation, the Rangers don’t seem to know what’s going on beyond the fact there was and is an extreme disconnect between the young man’s self-evaluation and management’s assessment of the center’s status and performance.

Weird

Also weird that Brooks is hand wringing about "the three goalies" right now. It's only been two games! Rangers kinda need to figure out what they have with Shesterkin a bit and Im' sure they're looking to deal with it somehow!

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Yeah it’s a weird situation

Dreger probably should have included the part about Lias wanting to clarify. Would have saved some trouble for all

I thought that it was pretty clear that an agent speaks for a player and is paid to do so. In the past, that would've been enough. But in 2020, people need everything spoonfed to them.

Just like how f***ing stupid Shayna came off in her tweet. That was . . . bad. And I like Shayna. But she looked like a f***ing idiot who jumped the gun. And then you had other people like Herman following and looking just as stupid. None of those people bothered to read or ask first if they had a question.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

It's good that Larry has caught onto this fact as well:

. . . Andersson’s promise to divulge details “at a latter stage,” according to interpretation, seems like a campaign trick . . .

Looks like bullshit, smells like bullshit . . .

 

[Unusual Suspect]

This is lost in translation. I don't even know if it means a plane, and if it did, Im sure he means the team charter.

Personally, until Andersson provides some evidence of a legitimate issue on his end, I don't give a **** what the story is. He can rot in Sweden for all I care considering how he bolted.

Ahhhh... I was KIDDING?

 

[Ghost of jas]

I'm personally blaming Jim Benning and George McPhee for all of this mess.

 

[Ola]

And a lot of this circles back to comments on approach earlier.

I don’t know what happened. I’ve seen some reactions from people with the team, but not discussed any specifics one or the other. And truthfully, I don’t have to know, nor do I feel it is something owed to me.

Having said that, the actual handling from his side just goes from bad to worse at every stop along the way.

Can’t talk about it? Don’t want to? That’s fine. That’s his prerogative.

But then stop alluding to things and putting out half statements and then clarifications on half statements. And have your dad put out half statements.

All you have to say is “I’m not going to discuss the matter at this time.”

No half-way statements.

No clarifies.

Papa doesn’t have to talk either.

No vague promises of the truth coming out.

I don’t need half the details about your feet.

Just go right back to the original talking point - I’m not going to discuss the matter right now. If you stick with that, you don’t need anything else.

If you can’t or don’t want to talk about something, then STOP TALKING ABOUT IT.

This is your home-turf @Edge and the above don't fly.

NYR opened their mouth first spreading the news that Lias thought that he was too good for the AHL through Brooks and co. That made Lias look tremendously bad. If it was not the truth, everyone can figure out that a reaction was coming.

 

[Ola]

Is it cynical of me to mention that this is coming out in aftermath of the Babcock and Peters' firings?

Nope, and it doesn't even have to be player-coach related. It can also be player-player related.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

The blame game and conjecture in this thread is borderline insane. We need more info.

That said, if any blame is going to be cast on the Rangers organization at this point, it should be directed at Gordie Clark for drafting 2 top 10 knuckleheads in concurrent years

 

[charliemurphy]

Hot damn this is being beaten to death.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

This is your home-turf @Edge and the above don't fly.

NYR opened their mouth first spreading the news that Lias thought that he was too good for the AHL through Brooks and co. That made Lias look tremendously bad. If it was not the truth, everyone can figure out that a reaction was coming.

Ah, the Swedes circle the wagons.

Lias LEFT THE TEAM. What were the Rangers supposed to do, pull a [REDACTED] and blatantly lie despite the evidence?

“No, no, he played last night. All you reporters — and the official scorer — somehow missed him. Everything’s fine, absolutely fine.”

 

[21]

Wow, so much speculation in this thread. ;-)

My own impression after reading some Swedish newspapers is that Lias took this decision because he wasn't feeling well mentally, a mental health issue. It had nothing to do with him not willing to play (or prove himself) in the AHL. I have no single idea yet though why he wasn't feeling well.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

I thought that it was pretty clear that an agent speaks for a player and is paid to do so. In the past, that would've been enough. But in 2020, people need everything spoonfed to them.

Just like how ****ing stupid Shayna came off in her tweet. That was . . . bad. And I like Shayna. But she looked like a ****ing idiot who jumped the gun. And then you had other people like Herman following and looking just as stupid. None of those people bothered to read or ask first if they had a question.

Two consequences of this day and age when you have:

1. Amateurs (like Herman) who gain some legitimacy via a Twitter following and just speedily tweet out anything resembling breaking news.

2. Professionals who feel forced to change their style (e.g. rushing to get something out) to keep up with the times. Commonly resulting in less quality, and occasionally misinforming the public.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

It's pretty clear we don't know what went down here. Lias is really young and we all were more emotional at 21. It's best to wait and see how this plays out. I still think there's a chance he remains with the club and things are smoothed over. I wish him the best and hope everything turns out well for him, seems like he is going through a rough period and there are things far more important than hockey in life.

 

[Ola]

Ah, the Swedes circle the wagons.

Lias LEFT THE TEAM. What were the Rangers supposed to do, pull a Trump and blatantly lie despite the evidence?

“No, no, he played last night. All you reporters — and the official scorer — somehow missed him.”

What they did do was give out the story that Lias thought he was much better than he was and that he left because he thought he deserved to be in the NHL. If that is true, great, that is what should have been said. But if he left for a totally different reason -- then that was not the correct story to spread. Speak the truth, its always the best option.

I am not saying that the player is at fault here or that the organization is at fault here. But in this situation there could (a) have been the case that everything was perfect within the organization and the kid had unheard of -- extreme -- hybris, or (b) like in most situations, things are more complex. Its incompetent as an organization to spread the news that (a) is the case if it isn't. You don't have to assume blame, you don't have to hang someone out, it can be that we feel that we have done nothing wrong but then it should be acknowledged that the players obviously do not share that opinion. Sure someone would spin it and make a big deal of that too, but it would have been a lot better than the complete mess we have now when the organization portrait-ed Lias as the biggest idiot ever which of course only baited an answer from him eventually. Like really, if anything he kept quiet for longer than expected...

 

[Ola]

Wow, so much speculation in this thread. ;-)

My own impression after reading some Swedish newspapers is that Lias took this decision because he wasn't feeling well mentally, a mental health issue. It had nothing to do with him not willing to play (or prove himself) in the AHL. I have no single idea yet though why he wasn't feeling well.

Yup, and he has referred to several incidents that made him feel really uncomfortable.

That this happen, sure that is one thing. But the way the organization has handled it, spreading the message that its only about the player having extreme hybris, that makes it smell a heck of a lot worse because that is not how someone competent would have handled it. Because even if there is no legitimate beef -- and there certainly do not have to be -- it will surely backfire to pretend that its about something that it is not. The people in charge being that incompetent is a problem in itself. Its like there is an me-too incident at a work place. I can be nothing. But if it is nothing, don't go around and tell everyone at the work place that the employee is staying at home because the employee became extremely up-set about not getting a raise or whatever. Tell it like it is. The player has an issue. We have looked at it from different perspectives, and while we always are trying to improve and learn from everything, we cannot agree in this instant. Now we are working to solve this unfortunate situation. Or whatever.

And that it has gotten this far, it just seems like information are getting filtered along the way within the organization. Does Gorton and co even know what issues Lias have had? Or have they been swept under the rug along the way?

 

[kovazub94]

I don't get all the hate dreger is getting for reporting that lias and his agent wanted to make it clear that he doesn't have a mental health issue...shouldn't that be viewed as a good thing to know that the kid is ok and its just a hockey issue? regardless of your thoughts on the hockey side of things, that should be viewed as good news.

Oh c'mon, this is pretty obvious. This news takes ammunition from tweeter babies to flame against the Rangers organization and Quinn specifically. Lias true health status be damned because they do not truly concern about that.

 

[Levitate]

You don’t actually know if the Rangers put out stuff using Brooks as a mouth piece, you’re basing a lot of vitriol on speculation
Brooks writes his own stuff without the need for the rangers to always be putting words in his mouth

 

[Leetch3]

Oh c'mon, this is pretty obvious. This news takes ammunition from tweeter babies to flame against the Rangers organization and Quinn specifically. Lias true health status be damned because they do not truly concern about that.

i was thinking it but refrained myself from saying it lol

 

[Leetch3]

You don’t actually know if the Rangers put out stuff using Brooks as a mouth piece, you’re basing a lot of vitriol on speculation
Brooks writes his own stuff without the need for the rangers to always be putting words in his mouth

true we don't know but I doubt the rangers told brooks to report that the rangers are doing a crappy job handling the situation lol

 

[Levitate]

true we don't know but I doubt the rangers told brooks to report that the rangers are doing a crappy job handling the situation lol

Yeah lol
I was responding to Olas claims that the rangers bashed Lias using Brooks as a mouthpiece. I doubt that’s what happened

 

[offdacrossbar]

wasnt he supposed to be captain material and one of the most nhl ready players in the draft ?

pierre even compared him to jesper fast lol. at this point, i would take that because quicky is a consummate professional.

this whole thing has gotten weird.

kinda feel for the kid. hes actually digging himself a deeper hole he will have to crawl out from.

just stop talking already.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Weird

Also weird that Brooks is hand wringing about "the three goalies" right now. It's only been two games! Rangers kinda need to figure out what they have with Shesterkin a bit and Im' sure they're looking to deal with it somehow!

I agree that the whole situation has been just — weird.

I think a lot of the alarm is coming from a translation — which may or may not account for the nuance of the language (or at the very least the tone of the comment). And that only adds to the weirdness.