Speculation: Lias Andersson asks for a trade - Part II

[Hunter Gathers]

I like to think that Lias is disturbed by personal planes.

You know.

Aircraft.

 

[Edge]

This is your home-turf @Edge and the above don't fly.

NYR opened their mouth first spreading the news that Lias thought that he was too good for the AHL through Brooks and co. That made Lias look tremendously bad. If it was not the truth, everyone can figure out that a reaction was coming.

I don't have a problem with him responding, but if you're gonna respond then actually respond.

Don't put a little out, say you can't talk about it, and then put a little more out, and then say you can't talk about it.

Either respond or don't respond. If you choose the former, make it clear, make it understood, and then move on. It shouldn't come off as kabuki.

And the reality is, that regardless of what the Rangers said, it was based of a player just up and quitting on the team. It's not like they assigned him to the AHL, he didn't like it, and so they just started bashing him.

There was question as to what/how he communicated with the team prior to his departure. Based on what we've seen so far, it's not far-fetched to assume that he might not have done a very good job in the first place.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

I don't have a problem with him responding, but if you're gonna respond then actually respond.

Don't put a little out, say you can't talk about it, and then put a little more out, and then say you can't talk about it.

Either respond or don't respond. If you choose the former, make it clear, make it understood, and then move on. It shouldn't come off as kabuki.

And the reality is, that regardless of what the Rangers said, it was based of a player just up and quitting on the team. It's not like they assigned him to the AHL, he didn't like it, and so they just started bashing him.

There was question as to what/how he communicated with the team prior to his departure. Based on what we've seen so far, it's not far-fetched to assume that he might not have done a very good job in the first place.

Again, I wonder if we're getting caught up with the translation. And we don't know the tone when he gave his answer.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Again, I wonder if we're getting caught up with the translation. And we don't know the tone when he gave his answer.

But isn't that part of the job of the Swedish posters to do for us if they are going to defend the player? Translate and tell us what we are missing. We saw one Swedish poster translate for us but I didn't see anything we were missing in it.

 

[Edge]

Again, I wonder if we're getting caught up with the translation. And we don't know the tone when he gave his answer.

And that's part of the risk of going out and communicating without a strategy or game plan.

When you walk away from a team, you have to know that the spotlight is going to be on you --- whether you were justified in walking away or not.

So your next move really should be pretty thought out, so that you don't pile-on to what is going to be a large degree of skepticism.

So it's in that regard I once again circle back to my question about who the hell is advising this kid. Because the approach is baffling.

When your agent has to issue a response that you're not suffering from mental illness, there's a pretty good chance you didn't quite stick the landing on your initial comments.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

I wouldn't be surprised if his agent drops him.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

There’s a big difference between “I can’t say anything” and “I don’t want to say anything”.

I’m just saying.

 

[Edge]

There’s a big difference between “I can’t say anything” and “I don’t want to say anything”.

I’m just saying.

There is, but the reality is that both of those responses can stand alone perfectly fine.

If he can't say anything, then that's all the response that is needed.

If he doesn't want to say anything, that too is all the response that is needed.

If either of those responses were given, just as you wrote them, it works much better for him.

 

[BBKers]

Personal plane = personal level...

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Personal plane = personal level...

. . . yes. I know. It just read funny and I like to imagine that Lias is afraid of small aircraft.

 

[MetalJaws]

Such an embarrassing situation that's gonna put him on the don't touch list. Making him impossible to trade and his value dog shit. I wonder if Pool Party is still on the table? How can we make that work?

 

[NernieBichols]

The idea that people are making this into a DsM-5 mental health diagnosis issue.... is a sign of the times


Man when the dsm-5 came out, and I only read about this bc I kept buying textbooks with Dsm-5 updated, so I googled what it was. But when it came out, there was so many articles about how basically everything and anything can now be considered and fall under a mental health illness at this point, and how historically mental health or what constitutes it, has always been used as means of discrediting people who’s ideas and personality didn’t fit the norm.

People have ups and downs man. That’s normal. Lias saying it was best for him to go home for his well-being, how in the world does that lead to people saying the guys clinically depressed or has anxiety disorder

Everybody gets depressed, back in the day, it just used to be part of life, ups and downs.

Everybody feels anxiety at one point or another. That’s a byproduct of being a human being in a world that’s so overwhelming mechanics and not human-based.

People need to be careful throwing out some of this stuff, bc watch, you’ll be going through some tough times and people will be looking at you wondering if your classified?

It’s such a joke most of the time. Some people are legitimately mentally ill. Most people are just going through ups and downs though.

Personally I think Lias Andersson is your classic millennial who reads everything written about him, and he had an inflated perception of how good or ready he was, read the talk amongst fans, and believed the hype.

That kid couldn’t keep up. If that’s bc of a foot injury, he should have told the team. If he didn’t, it’s probably bc he felt he’d lose his spot. If teammates suggested he try to play through it so he doesn’t lose his spot, that’s just sports and a teammate being real with you, they aren’t threats right?

I think Lias is an overly emotional and sensitive person. I’m kinda one myself, so it doesn’t make me think anything less of the kid. But he flat out quit. Up and left, and he got pressed at a hockey game and he gave abunch of woe is me quotes.

Now he’s backtracking bc he doesn’t want his comments being construed as mental health issue that would hurt his value, but the NY media (brooks and mercogliano) are making into something.

If the rangers did something abusive. F’ing say it kid. Otherwise come out yourself and say it was a number of things that I didn’t take or handle well and I think the rangers could have handled differently but that I wasn’t alluding to abuse or anything of the like.... or just say my words got misconstrued and I’m not going to comment anymore going forward

 

[romba]

It's good that Larry has caught onto this fact as well:

Looks like bull****, smells like bull**** . . .

Still waiting for KP's 'explanation to come at a later date for Knicks fans' for his douchebaggery not-gonna-play-for-you-guys-and-use-my-injury-as-an-excuse-but-we'll-publicly-say-it-was-the-team's-decision-to-keep-me-out-or-else-I'll-publicly-roast-you

 

[TheDirtyH]

Personally I think Lias Andersson is your classic millennial who reads everything written about him, and he had an inflated perception of how good or ready he was, read the talk amongst fans, and believed the hype.

I just want to take this moment, as a millenial, to make very clear that Lias Andersson is not a millenial.

I realize that making the larger point about why ascribing 'generations' specific personality traits and psychologies is useless, but I had to say something.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Larry Brooks

@NYP_Brooksie
John Davidson says Rangers have reached out to Andersson but he prefers to communicate through agent. JD says everything is on table, feels sense of responsibility to him, won’t draw conclusions from translated comments. Unaware of incidents in Hartford. “He’s ours.”

 

[Chimpradamus]

Again, I wonder if we're getting caught up with the translation. And we don't know the tone when he gave his answer.

My translation was pretty accurate, although it's true what he says in his first language is difficult to translate. 70% of communication is lost when you lose non-verbal indicators and tone. Then you have cultural differences in the usage of words. Then you have me quoting a tabloid, clickbait journalist.

Last of all, plane = a level of existence, thought or development.

 

[SnowFort]

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

More:
Vince Z. Mercogliano
@vzmercogliano
#NYR team prez John Davidson addressed the Lias situation today. "I’ve called him. I haven’t talked to him. We’ve talked to his agent a lot. It seems to be the way they want to do things at this point. He’s disappointed, obviously, that things haven’t worked out to this point."

 

[Kovalev27]

This kid doesn’t think he should have to call John Davidson back. One of the classiest guys in the hockey world says all you need to know. Won’t return Johns phone calls. He’s a little shit is what he is. I didn’t like him as a hockey player but I always liked him personally. I loved the whole thing with the number 50. I liked his battle level at the WJC playing hurt. Now I can’t stand him. What a whiny entitled no talent baby.

 

[RGY]

kid needs to grow the f*** up.

 

[Edge]

There's no getting around it, from a strictly visual/perception standpoint, none of this does any favors for Andersson.

 

[NernieBichols]

This kid doesn’t think he should have to call John Davidson back. One of the classiest guys in the hockey world says all you need to know. Won’t return Johns phone calls. He’s a little **** is what he is. I didn’t like him as a hockey player but I always liked him personally. I loved the whole thing with the number 50. I liked his battle level at the WJC playing hurt. Now I can’t stand him. What a whiny entitled no talent baby.

He’s embarrassed.

The spotlight on these kids and these sports sometimes is cringe-worthy.

I mean the kid had how much pressure and spotlight bc of where he was taken and that he was the 1st pick of the rebuild.

Now he has this on top of it.

And it’s not a fan/spectator spotlight. It’s a skeptic spotlight people have been looking at him with.

I think he felt like a let-down and disappointment himself, saw the coaching staff going with over guys and giving attention to other guys, was reading everything on the internet in his spare time.

His parents come to visit for Xmas (it was later reported that andersson spent Xmas in ny with parents, which likely means they were here or about to get him when he made the decision.

He was low on confidence and as we’ve said ‘somebody who’s an advisor, a shitty one, signed off on this being a good idea’ and it’s taken on a life of its own since.

(I personally know how that can happen all too well)

Things snowball quickly. Don’t want to turn away from people are offering advise and comfort in uncomfortable times. People’s life stories are make of situations like that

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

There's no getting around it, from a strictly visual/perception standpoint, none of this does any favors for Andersson.

This situation gets more strange with each passing day

Also, I'm not familiar with the inner workings of an NHL front office, but shouldn't Gorton be commenting on this, not the president of the team? Unless of course things have gotten past the point where Davidson felt the need to step in and say something

Just a genuine question, i'm not sure how the dynamics work

 

[True Blue]

There's no getting around it, from a strictly visual/perception standpoint, none of this does any favors for Andersson.

I also do not understand what he thinks the long term plan here is. He said that at worst, he can go back to playing hockey in a year and a half. First of all, I am not sure that is even accurate as far as to who his right belong to. I doubt they expire. But let's say that he is right. What NHL team is going to touch him and play him with the big club after a self imposed banishment in which he did not play hockey in North America? At that point, even if signed, he is probably heading for the ECHL.

 

[haohmaru]

This situation gets more strange with each passing day

Also, I'm not familiar with the inner workings of an NHL front office, but shouldn't Gorton be commenting on this, not the president of the team? Unless of course things have gotten past the point where Davidson felt the need to step in and say something

Just a genuine question, i'm not sure how the dynamics work

JD is the big boss. It should be coming from the top.