Speculation: Lias Andersson asks for a trade - Part II

[SA16]

Again, he has done nothing but hurt his career and make things worse, to this point. You think it's a bad thing that he's now deferring to his agent? Maybe it's possible he realizes he's not in a position to be talking to the team because he'll **** up more.

Has he even explained to his agent what these alleged incidents are? Because even if he doesn't walk to speak to JD you'd think he would ask his agent to communicate that information to him.

 

[NernieBichols]

probably doesn’t want to talk to him because JD is going to ask what the problem is and he’s going to say I didn’t get the 2C spot behind my hero Mika Zibanejad and I then had to move to Hartford and my salary got cut it was horrible.

Yeah no doubt about that kovy

Hence the embarrassment. Lias would have to get on the phone and admit himself and hear JD say. Yeah you were expecting the spot to be yours, but you just aren’t there yet. You weren’t good enough. And andersson has to own up to the way he handled leaving and now the comments he made at a hockey game he was probably just intending going to, to take his mind off things.

Yeah that’s an embarrassing convo to have to have. And considering the immaturity led to him quitting the team, I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s just embarrassed right now to face the truth to JD right now.


If it’s an entitlement issue, I don’t think JD or the rangers should give very many thoughts to just giving him the go-ahead to play and Sweden and see what happens in a years time

 

[NernieBichols]

We drafted him 7th overall that’s where we messed up. Everything since then has been an effort to turn chicken **** into chicken salad

Once again, there weren’t many players after him.

I’d still be a lot More upset if we had drafted the kid you like. Talk about entitled and not professional.

So no, i don’t blame taking him where they did. To me the mistake was rushing him

 

[nyr2k2]

Has he even explained to his agent what these alleged incidents are? Because even if he doesn't walk to speak to JD you'd think he would ask his agent to communicate that information to him.

I don't know?

 

[Tob]

There's no use assigning blame and slinging mud. I just wish JD figured out what made Lias upset. Kind of important to know about "incidents" which may have disturbed or unsettled top prospects. It takes public comments to get things done in these situations. It's a bad look that Lias won't pick up the phone call from JD. It's not uncommon to communicate strictly through agents but in this situation, where the team president of the Rangers is trying to conflict resolute, it's not a good look to other GMs and upper management.

 

[NernieBichols]

no I don’t honestly. But if JD calls to speak to you personally call him back or pick up the phone. Show some respect. At worst Say listen JD I appreciate the call but I’d rather things be handled thru my representatives. Be an adult.

Please dude.

Your looking at this through your eyes and your years of experience.

You think a kid who’s had the spotlight he has had since leaving, he’s so embarrassed he can’t pull himself to talk to JD, yet you expect him to pick up the phone and tell JD that, when the kid has an agent paid to handle these things.


Come on man. It’s called empathy. To really try to understand somebody’s actions, you have to try to put yourself not just in their shoes, but their souls, their experiences.

Your just telling us how you (now) would have wanted to act (then).

 

[Kovalev27]

And I’m sure JD has asked his agent and has asked the coaches as he’s said. If he still doesn’t have any reasons what is lias talking about? The agent is talking to JD and hasn’t given him anything critical of the organization. So what’s he waiting for? When do we get the airing of grievances. Festivus has come and gone

 

[Kovalev27]

Please dude.

Your looking at this through your eyes and your years of experience.

You think a kid who’s had the spotlight he has had since leaving, he’s so embarrassed he can’t pull himself to talk to JD, yet you expect him to pick up the phone and tell JD that, when the kid has an agent paid to handle these things.


Come on man. It’s called empathy. To really try to understand somebody’s actions, you have to try to put yourself not just in their shoes, but their souls, their experiences.

Your just telling us how you (now) would have wanted to act (then).

maybe the way I grew up but at 20 21 if my boss called to speak to me I didn’t hide I spoke to him. He’s not a minor. He’s a man. I did feel bad for him I posted it here if he’s got a serious issue I wished him well hockey comes second. But now it’s clear it’s bullshit and coddling him does nothing

 

[NernieBichols]

Geez guys.

JD is Just trying to quell the brooksies and mercoglianos and the fans going nuts for a tabloid answer.

JD’s just trying quiet things down for everyone involved.

Let’s do the same and give it some time.

 

[True Blue]

My understanding of his comment about the "year and a half" thing is that worst case scenario, once his ELC is up, he could sign with another SHL team to play

Right. So unless he has suddenly decided that the NHL is not for him, I cannot see how he believes that any team who would obtain him after a lengthy absence from North America is suddenly going to insert him into a situation where he is a starter with the big club. At that point, his NHL career may well get started with the ECHL.

 

[NernieBichols]

maybe the way I grew up but at 20 21 if my boss called to speak to me I didn’t hide I spoke to him. He’s not a minor. He’s a man. I did feel bad for him I posted it here if he’s got a serious issue I wished him well hockey comes second. But now it’s clear it’s bull**** and coddling him does nothing

Hahah come on kovy. I mean this playfully.

Don’t compare your anonymous jobs and bosses at 20/21 with the spotlight on this kid and his job and bosses at 20/21z

You know what I mean

 

[Levitate]

to play sympathetic to Lias here, if he feels that maybe he has made these issues known or they're so obvious someone should have known, having the Rangers reaching out and saying "well what's going on! we don't see any problems, can you tell us?" may seem disingenuous or a situation where he still feels let down and victimized by the team.

but who knows, everyone on the Rangers side seems caught off guard by this

 

[Levitate]

Right. So unless he has suddenly decided that the NHL is not for him, I cannot see how he believes that any team who would obtain him after a lengthy absence from North America is suddenly going to insert him into a situation where he is a starter with the big club. At that point, his NHL career may well get started with the ECHL.

I'm sure some SHL teams will take him and all as well but basically quitting hockey for 1.5 years at age 21 is close to career suicide

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Right. So unless he has suddenly decided that the NHL is not for him, I cannot see how he believes that any team who would obtain him after a lengthy absence from North America is suddenly going to insert him into a situation where he is a starter with the big club. At that point, his NHL career may well get started with the ECHL.

I agree

But from the way Lias is speaking, it seems like he expects to get traded to another NHL team before things ever got to the point of him waiting out the ELC to play

Which he's probably not wrong, I can't imagine the Rangers hanging onto him past this summer

 

[NernieBichols]

Now if you tell me he still hasn’t spoken to JD in 2 weeks time, 3 weeks time.

Then yeah. Then what your saying is appropriate and valid.

At the present moment, I get it

 

[Kovalev27]

Hahah come on kovy. I mean this playfully.

Don’t compare your anonymous jobs and bosses at 20/21 with the spotlight on this kid and his job and bosses at 20/21z

You know what I mean

no don’t take that as me really negatively arguing your point I realize he’s a young man but that only goes so far. These guys are more mature and are paid and expected to be prepared to be professionals in the public eye at a young age. So when you get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars you better be ready to respect what that means. It’s not the same as an entry level job as a sales executive.

But I promise you I never no showed a job a turned my phone off when my boss called me. For what it’s worth! Lol

 

[Levitate]

I agree

But from the way Lias is speaking, it seems like he expects to get traded to another NHL team before things ever got to the point of him waiting out the ELC to play

Which he's probably not wrong, I can't imagine the Rangers hanging onto him past this summer

Unless there's some big get together where they hammer this all out and everything is magically all better I'm sure they do trade him at some point
but he's also damaged goods right now and he's also likely to not get a ton of attention until he comes clean about whatever made him leave the Rangers

 

[nyr2k2]

I'm sure some SHL teams will take him and all as well but basically quitting hockey for 1.5 years at age 21 is close to career suicide

Yeah and I'm not even certain that if he were to sit out next year suspended, that it would count as a year on his ELC. I'm not sure how the CBA has it, but I could totally see there being some provision that if you are suspended for an entire season your contract is essentially frozen. Maybe not, but I could definitely see it.

 

[NernieBichols]

no don’t take that as me really negatively arguing your point I realize he’s a young man but that only goes so far. These guys are more mature and are paid and expected to be prepared to be professionals in the public eye at a young age. So when you get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars you better be ready to respect what that means. It’s not the same as an entry level job as a sales executive.

But I promise you I never no showed a job a turned my phone off when my boss called me. For what it’s worth! Lol

I disagree dude. Just bc the NHL drafts kids at 18 doesn’t mean you should expect them to be different than normal kids.

That’s actually the thing you’ve said, that I disagree with the most.

Your being so idealistic. I see it’s not worth me talking with you about gray areas. Where you want to give your black and whites on it


Also I don’t buy for a second your never no-showed a single day or work or conversation you needed to have.

And if I’m wrong, your in the 1% there big guy

 

[RGY]

Please dude.

Your looking at this through your eyes and your years of experience.

You think a kid who’s had the spotlight he has had since leaving, he’s so embarrassed he can’t pull himself to talk to JD, yet you expect him to pick up the phone and tell JD that, when the kid has an agent paid to handle these things.


Come on man. It’s called empathy. To really try to understand somebody’s actions, you have to try to put yourself not just in their shoes, but their souls, their experiences.

Your just telling us how you (now) would have wanted to act (then).

Sorry but this is such BS. He is 20 years old. He isnt 15 or 16 years old. Its time to grow up and get on the phone. He had no problem providing an interview on tv during a game in Sweden.

Enough with the excuses.

 

[Kovalev27]

I disagree dude. Just bc the NHL drafts kids at 18 doesn’t mean you should expect them to be different than normal kids.

That’s actually the thing you’ve said, that I disagree with the most.

Your being so idealistic. I see it’s not worth me talking with you about gray areas. Where you want to give your black and whites on it


Also I don’t buy for a second your never no-showed a single day or work or conversation you needed to have.

And if I’m wrong, your in the 1% there big guy

but he’s not 18 he’s what 21 now? There’s a difference he’s been a pro athlete for 3 4 years now he knows what’s right and wrong

 

[NernieBichols]

Sorry but this is such BS. He is 20 years old. He isnt 15 or 16 years old. Its time to grow up and get on the phone. He had no problem providing an interview on tv during a game in Sweden.

Enough with the excuses.

No I’m sorry. I think you guys are full of BS. 20 years old are still kids today. Your trying to hang to a culture and principle so is outdated.

I get it the older generations love to talk about what the norms were then and speak about how people kids things should still be that way. No the world changes. Kids are a lot more sheltered to an older age. Big time athletes especially.

So I’m not down With what your saying

 

[Kovalev27]

I disagree dude. Just bc the NHL drafts kids at 18 doesn’t mean you should expect them to be different than normal kids.

That’s actually the thing you’ve said, that I disagree with the most.

Your being so idealistic. I see it’s not worth me talking with you about gray areas. Where you want to give your black and whites on it


Also I don’t buy for a second your never no-showed a single day or work or conversation you needed to have.

And if I’m wrong, your in the 1% there big guy

To add I never once no showed a meeting or a call and didn’t have a reason or an explanation for my boss no. I most certainly didn’t turn my phone off and never call him back if there was a miscommunication. Never and I don’t think I’m in the 1% of people like that. It’s called being a responsible adult.

 

[NernieBichols]

Whatever guys.

YOu don’t think being a hockey program shelters kids from adversity.

I’d say your random kid is less sheltered than athletes in national and development programs.


I don’t know man. This is a waste of time I feel like

 

[Guyute]

Lias is a baby, plain and simple

Not much else to debate.