Speculation: Lias Andersson asks for a trade - Part II

[ManUtdTobbe]

I don’t see any mental issues with Lias.

I see confidence issues, maturity issues, and resentment towards Quinn which I can’t fully fault him for.

He literally talked about mental issues in several interviews with Swedish newspapers today ‍

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Fair enough, but again, where does the idea come from that it's unbelievable that this would happen on the Rangers?

Even if we're not casting blame on them for what happened to Boogaard, at the very least, they had no idea.

My brother passed away about a month ago from heroin overdose. My family was aware he was addicted to Oxy’s, but we were oblivious to the fact that he started snorting heroin. An addict isn’t going to openly announce what they’re doing. Nor is someone with mental health issues.

The Rangers are not even slightly responsible for not knowing what was happening with Boogeyman. Again, not even members of his family picked up on it.

This is a completely different situation with Lias and NY.

 

[AIexisLafreniereNYR]

Okay, let’s take it easy on Lias. I can see where he’s coming from. I have anxiety myself. I can’t imagine being a 21 year old, even younger when drafted in the top 10 for a major market. Chytil has outplayed him, the whole fan base turned on Lias. And he’s well, very competitive. He needs to take some time and clear his head. I have a feeling he’ll come back. I hope him the absolute best

 

[FIRE DRURY]

He literally talked about mental issues in several interviews with Swedish newspapers today ‍

Maybe I didn’t understand it right, but I took that as confidence issues in his head. If that’s what he was implying then I stand corrected.

 

[Machinehead]

My brother passed away about a month ago from heroin overdose. My family was aware he was addicted to Oxy’s, but we were oblivious to the fact that he started snorting heroin. An addict isn’t going to openly announce what they’re doing. Nor is someone with mental health issues.

The Rangers are not even slightly responsible for not knowing what was happening with Boogeyman. Again, not even members of his family picked up on it.

This is a completely different situation with Lias and NY.

First of all, very sorry to hear that.

Ok but why are so many people (here and other places) implying that Andersson is being disingenuous about this when it's been demonstrated in the past multiple times that these things go under the radar?

 

[dshea19]

Like I mentioned before: I highly doubt it is Lias vs. Quinn. Quinn isn't making decisions in a vacuum. Considering they were looking to trade LA and sent him down to Hartford, it definitely appears that Rangers as an organization are quite skeptical and were looking to cut bait.

 

[Levitate]

I think they realized it pretty quick into his tenure. I had a couple buddies win an interview with Giannone one night as a Garden giveaway between periods. He told them he would never play again for the Rangers. Later on we figured out what he meant...

To clarify, Giannone said Andersson would never again play for the Rangers?

This whole situation has been so weird. Gordie Clark was gushing about the kid’s intangibles and mental toughness but I’m surprised nobody saw any red flags. If the kid does have a mental issue then I do sympathize and hope he can get better but it seems like the FO missed something bigtime

I'm not sure those interviews really said that he had a mental health issue. I took it more to mean that he was struggling with the situation and mentally down on himself, the Rangers, the process, etc. Not that he realized "oh shit I have severe depression" or something. That said, even if he did have a legitimate mental health issue it's probably not something that's always easy to see.

This all still feels like there's something not being said about what's gone on. Players usually don't just leave the team and seem prepared to sit out of playing hockey for an entire 1.5 years if necessary. Rightly or wrongly Andersson seems very convinced that he was wronged by the Rangers in some way.

I'm going back on forth on this myself...it's tough to think the Rangers actually did something really beyond the pale, you'd think it'd have come out one way or another or that there'd be more whispers about it being an issue with the team around the league, but I also don't feel completely comfortable just saying Andersson is all to blame.

Just weird all around

 

[JimmyG89]

Wish everyone understood that when your dealing with mental health, not every decision you make is sound to the outside.

He went home. He felt he needed to go home and be around family and friends to heal. The Rangers did not, thus the suspension.

Whatever he is doing, you hope he's getting the help he needs and can continue his life first, then his career.

Everything else is what it is and we won't know what he is going through until it's resolved and we never will really know all of it.

 

[Machinehead]

Honestly, this would explain a lot.

He's never seemed engaged and he was drafted for his engagement.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

First of all, very sorry to hear that.

Ok but why are so many people (here and other places) implying that Andersson is being disingenuous about this when it's been demonstrated in the past multiple times that these things go under the radar?

Thanks.

You’re asking a fair question. I think these things go under the radar because teams might not have the personnel to try and identify certain red flags. They’re focused on other things.

 

[Gordon Bombay]

To clarify, Giannone said Andersson would never again play for the Rangers?



I'm not sure those interviews really said that he had a mental health issue. I took it more to mean that he was struggling with the situation and mentally down on himself, the Rangers, the process, etc. Not that he realized "oh **** I have severe depression" or something. That said, even if he did have a legitimate mental health issue it's probably not something that's always easy to see.

This all still feels like there's something not being said about what's gone on. Players usually don't just leave the team and seem prepared to sit out of playing hockey for an entire 1.5 years if necessary. Rightly or wrongly Andersson seems very convinced that he was wronged by the Rangers in some way.

I'm going back on forth on this myself...it's tough to think the Rangers actually did something really beyond the pale, you'd think it'd have come out one way or another or that there'd be more whispers about it being an issue with the team around the league, but I also don't feel completely comfortable just saying Andersson is all to blame.

Just weird all around

I apologize for the misunderstanding. That was in regards to a post about Boogaard in this thread.

 

[Levitate]

My brother passed away about a month ago from heroin overdose. My family was aware he was addicted to Oxy’s, but we were oblivious to the fact that he started snorting heroin. An addict isn’t going to openly announce what they’re doing. Nor is someone with mental health issues.

The Rangers are not even slightly responsible for not knowing what was happening with Boogeyman. Again, not even members of his family picked up on it.

Not that it matters to the Andersson discussion, but weren't the Rangers one of the teams that had their doctors prescribe Boogaard a crap ton of painkillers that he was addicted to?

 

[nyr2k2]

All very interesting. Not really sure what to make of any of it, though it is obviously very telling to hear Lias himself say he understands his decision was probably not the best for his NHL future. Curious to know what's really going on with the guy, but of course, if we never find out that's fine, too.

I just hope that if he is struggling with something he gets whatever help he needs. I'm still pissed about this as it pertains to the Rangers, but obviously the kid's life is more important, here.

 

[Leetch3]

Wish everyone understood that when your dealing with mental health, not every decision you make is sound to the outside.

He went home. He felt he needed to go home and be around family and friends to heal. The Rangers did not, thus the suspension.

Whatever he is doing, you hope he's getting the help he needs and can continue his life first, then his career.

Everything else is what it is and we won't know what he is going through until it's resolved and we never will really know all of it.

i don't think we don't know what was communicated to the team...do we really think that he told the team he was having depression issues and they told him to gtfo? or did he tell them that he thinks he is the 2nd best center and wants to be trade?

obviously you hope the kid gets himself straightened out but I think he got some bad advise (or didn't get advise) on how to handle the situation. once he walked out on the team, they had no choice but to suspend him and I don't think that can be read as them not supporting or caring.

i'd really love to know what the rangers did or didn't know. you'd hope that he would have discussed with the team before doing an interview but you never know...and if it is new info, how does that change the relationship going forward from both sides if the issue is more than just lack of ice time...

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I think he means the 21 year old you’ve had a crush on and creepily stalked since he was like 16

That applies to Kravtsov as well

 

[CasusBelli]

So ... I hear he’s working out on his Peloton once a week and playing Fortnite with Laine every day, with periodic visits to Milf yoga classes in Soho.

 

[Baby Punisher]

Okay, let’s take it easy on Lias. I can see where he’s coming from. I have anxiety myself. I can’t imagine being a 21 year old, even younger when drafted in the top 10 for a major market. Chytil has outplayed him, the whole fan base turned on Lias. And he’s well, very competitive. He needs to take some time and clear his head. I have a feeling he’ll come back. I hope him the absolute best

I don't want him anywhere near this team ever again. His trade value is in the sub-basement. If he has substance abuse issues or is a danger to himself because of his mental health he should be in rehab not at a hockey game in Sweeden. This entire episode screams of a self-centered, self-entitled brat not getting what he wants. To be fair I do think the Rangers mishandled him, but Lias is ultimately responsible for himself and his actions.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Not that it matters to the Andersson discussion, but weren't the Rangers one of the teams that had their doctors prescribe Boogaard a crap ton of painkillers that he was addicted to?

Im not sure about that.

 

[bleedblue94]

Can someone bring me up to speed on what happened recently here that has spurned on the mental illness talk?

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

I assume the incident that happened occurred while he was still on the Rangers and he got demoted for it?

Could very well be drug/alcohol related.

Could be some kind of melt down or nervous breakdown (remember Kasparaitis in Hartford?)

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Can someone bring me up to speed on what happened recently here that has spurned on the mental illness talk?

Honestly, it’s not clear. He made some comments about not being good mentally in an interview. Some have taken that to mean “mental health”, but it could also just mean “not in a good headspace.” Really hard to tell (based on the translations, anyway).

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Could very well be drug/alcohol related.

Wut?! How did you get drugs/alcohol from his interview?

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Honestly, it’s not clear. He made some comments about not being good mentally in an interview. Some have taken that to mean “mental health”, but it could also just mean “not in a good headspace.” Really hard to tell (based on the translations, anyway).

I think it’s the latter. If he had real, mental health issues he wouldn’t be talking about taking time off to recover from his injury, or wanting to get back to playing hockey. He probably wouldn’t have done the interview.

I think this kid is just mentally exhausted and his lack of confidence has him second guessing himself in his head.

 

[Edge]

I think we need to pump the breaks a tad on trying to decipher what the problem is, based on Andersson’s comments or a translation of said comments.

We’re drifting toward that slippery slope again where a lot can be misconstrued or taken in complicated directions.

 

[LORDE]

My brother passed away about a month ago from heroin overdose. My family was aware he was addicted to Oxy’s, but we were oblivious to the fact that he started snorting heroin. An addict isn’t going to openly announce what they’re doing. Nor is someone with mental health issues.

The Rangers are not even slightly responsible for not knowing what was happening with Boogeyman. Again, not even members of his family picked up on it.

This is a completely different situation with Lias and NY.

So very VERY sorry. That’s awful