Speculation: Lias Andersson asks for a trade - Part II

[RGY]

No, sorry Lias Andersson’s Dad...the NHL team DOES get to decide your development. Once you come to North America that is the concession you are making. You are property of the team. He could’ve said no and stayed in the SHL for another year or two. He may have felt like the Rangers were pushing for him to come over after the WJC and injury but he still had control of the situation. I dont want to read that nonsense, no offense @Ola. I dont care if its 2020 and times are a changing in society...this is the way the NHL works and really how any job should work...the employer decides the fate of the employee, not the other way around.

 

[SixGoalieSystem]

No, sorry Lias Andersson’s Dad...the NHL team DOES get to decide your development. Once you come to North America that is the concession you are making. You are property of the team. He could’ve said no and stayed in the SHL for another year or two. He may have felt like the Rangers were pushing for him to come over after the WJC and injury but he still had control of the situation. I dont want to read that nonsense, no offense @Ola. I dont care if its 2020 and times are a changing in society...this is the way the NHL works and really how any job should work...the employer decides the fate of the employee, not the other way around.

Which is pretty much what Andersson's dad was saying he should have done.

 

[NYR Viper]

I don't disagree with the fact that Andersson, and Chytil for that matter, seemed rushed

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Did he kill his trade value on purpose so that the Rangers are left with only option to revive his value to loan him to SHL team?

Your world must be an interesting place.
#WeNeverGetAGoodPost

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I don't disagree with the fact that Andersson, and Chytil for that matter, seemed rushed

Yup I agree

The team was desperate to get them over to Hartford for whatever reason

Lias’ situation is a bit stranger considering Gorton told him to go back home after he was cut from camp and come back ready to make the team next year. And then halfway through the season they decide to blow up that idea and drop him in Hartford

 

[NYR Viper]

Yup I agree

The team was desperate to get them over to Hartford for whatever reason

Lias’ situation is a bit stranger considering Gorton told him to go back home after he was cut from camp and come back ready to make the team next year. And then halfway through the season they decide to blow up that idea and drop him in Hartford

Yeah, this to me, made no sense. The yo-yoing that they have done to Andersson in particular was strange

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Why is everyone blaming the organization? Chytil, Fox, DeAngelo, Zibanajad,Buchnevich, and Strome have all become better players under this organization, and in Zibanajad, DeAngelo and Strome have done 180's in their careers since coming here. This is on Lias, whatever his issues are whether they are mental health issues or just spoiled brat issues, its up to him to get better and return to the team that put all their faith in him and took him at #7. I hope he gets what he needs but from my point of view he owes it to this organization for picking him where they did, and if he doesnt actually have mental health issues he needs to stop sooking and play hockey.

 

[apoptygma]

Strongarming Lias in this situation make give NYR a bit of bad rep regarding EU-free agents the next few years. If they feel they are taking a risk getting stuck in a multi-year deal they can not get out of they might just end up signing for someone else instead. It is a bit weird that NYR have not had a single EU player coming through HFD since Zuccarello (except Chytil).

Feels like several SHL clubs are interested in loaning him. Might be a discussion point in mandatory european escapes clausules in the next round of negotiations regarding EU-transfer agreements.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Yup I agree

The team was desperate to get them over to Hartford for whatever reason

Lias’ situation is a bit stranger considering Gorton told him to go back home after he was cut from camp and come back ready to make the team next year. And then halfway through the season they decide to blow up that idea and drop him in Hartford

Didn't he get hurt in Sweden and the team wanted to control his rehab?

 

[mulli25]

I genuinely hope he finds comfort and moves past whatever the article implies he's struggling with. He seems to recognize that he put himself in a bad spot professionally, but obviously somethings are bigger than hockey.

He's also a goddamn lunatic if he thought he'd be slotted in behind Zibanejad this season.

 

[offdacrossbar]

Every single person on this message board categorically has mental problems.

We're fans of the new York Rangers....and we talk about it. Every day. For decades.

I've been posting with @Kovalev27 , @Leetch3 and @jas for at least 15 years now.


Jesus.

hey i resemble that remark. 14 yrs for me ya know....

im hopeful lias isnt suffering from anything more serious than a good dose of immaturity and poor decision making and now a silly attempt to rewrite things to allow face to be saved.

i still believe it was a temper tantrum related to things like brett howden playing- thats on quinn btw, and lias not getting that same chance plus being sent to siberia aka hartford and then some legit bad advice from some enablers in his life.

things need to settle down, he needs to not do any more interviews to justify his bad decisions- its not helping, and eventually slither back here and get to work.

kids got talent. he just needs to crawl out of his own head and realize where you were drafted is not a measure of what player you eventually become.

stop talking and get back to being a hockey player.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Why is everyone blaming the organization? Chytil, Fox, DeAngelo, Zibanajad,Buchnevich, and Strome have all become better players under this organization, and in Zibanajad, DeAngelo and Strome have done 180's in their careers since coming here..

besides Chytil and Buchnevich, the rest had their issues.

Fox didn’t want to play for Carolina (thankfully)
DeAngelo changed teams often due to attitude, etc
Zibby was considered an underachiever and traded
Strome was considered a bust

meanwhile in Ottawa, an Anthony DuClair at the old age of 24 may have found a home.

These kids are rushed and drafted earlier than any of these NFL players. It’s not easy and they are rushed.

 

[B17 Apricots]

I tried to say this pages ago: This is why the 'behind the scenes' speculation is ridiculous. Everyone's a psychologist when armed with a little free time and a few internet links. All we know as fans is what we actually see: a player who never played that well, and a player who was never given any meaningful opportunities and was held to a different standard then others.

The pages of grocery-store-tabloid level theorization is really frustrating. Embarrassing, tbh.

If nothing else the entertainment value of the absurdity has been A1, questioning if he's struggling with his sexuality because of his glasses is just too good

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Didn't he get hurt in Sweden and the team wanted to control his rehab?

I believe he hurt his shoulder during the WJC (or whatever tournament it was) and yes the team wanted him to rehab in NA

But they could have sent him back to Frolunda when he was done healing, they didn't

 

[B17 Apricots]

Gaborik and Tortorellas falling out was a clear sign to me of Marian's genetic defects. He must be euthanized for his feeble mindedness

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

I genuinely hope he finds comfort and moves past whatever the article implies he's struggling with. He seems to recognize that he put himself in a bad spot professionally, but obviously somethings are bigger than hockey.

He's also a goddamn lunatic if he thought he'd be slotted in behind Zibanejad this season.

That quote was him saying he though he would have one of the center slots behind Mika who is and was the clear 1C... he didn’t say he though he should have had the 2C spot.

 

[duhmetreE]

Looking at both sides here, he's still a kid and he essentially is replicating what happened with Kravtsov.

This interview is for 'saving face'. The cynic in me sees this as a PR push from 'his people'.

 

[One Winged Angel]

Why is everyone blaming the organization? Chytil, Fox, DeAngelo, Zibanajad,Buchnevich, and Strome have all become better players under this organization, and in Zibanajad, DeAngelo and Strome have done 180's in their careers since coming here. This is on Lias, whatever his issues are whether they are mental health issues or just spoiled brat issues, its up to him to get better and return to the team that put all their faith in him and took him at #7. I hope he gets what he needs but from my point of view he owes it to this organization for picking him where they did, and if he doesnt actually have mental health issues he needs to stop sooking and play hockey.

Buchnevich? He’s on pace for 45 points, 2 over his career high under AV and his defensive game hasn’t gotten much better. Bad example to use. DeAngelo’s problems were always off ice/locker room issues. Had nothing to do with skill.

Zibanejad was getting better under AV, but missed time due to injuries, then figured out he had to pay more attention to his diet and offseason workouts.

Strome just needed to get the hell away from Edmonton.

Fox came in and did exactly what he was supposed to do and since he was taken off of the 1st PP unit, the PP has fallen in ranking.

Why is Quinn getting the credit for all of this?

 

[One Winged Angel]

I’m sorry, but Quinn taking shots at Lias and Kravtsov further bolsters the mindset I’ve had in this, that the organization has mishandled this entire thing from the start and that Quinn is not the right guy for the job.

It’s a completely unprofessional and petty look for a guy that’s supposed to be leading a team. Not that his decision making wasn’t already clown show level material, now he has to act like one to the media?

Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, David. Take your bullshit “earn it” rhetoric that didn’t apply across the board while you’re at it.

 

[RGY]

Which is pretty much what Andersson's dad was saying he should have done.

No. To me its his Dad stirring up shit putting a bad perception of NHL organizations and player development, even more specifically the Rangers. Him and his Dad are playing the blame game. Its everyone else’s fault but Lias. Thats a Lias problem, not a Rangers problem.

Was he and Chytil rushed a bit, sure. But you have two kids who were handed similar situations, albeit Chytil getting a longer leash on better forward lines, who responded differently. Chytil was sent down. Lias made the team.

Mental Health is a serious issue, but it is still hard to determine if this is a real issue for Lias or a play by him and his “people”. Because the follow up comments sound like a lot of woe is me.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I don't disagree with the fact that Andersson, and Chytil for that matter, seemed rushed

You're probably right. Difference is, Chytil went down, took care of business and is a better player for it. Despite this thread going off the rails with speculation, one thing is certain, Andersson didn't.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Didn't Lias himself push to come over to the NHL right away?

 

[NYR Viper]

You're probably right. Difference is, Chytil went down, took care of business and is a better player for it. Despite this thread going off the rails with speculation, one thing is certain, Andersson didn't.

In his last stint I agree

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I’m sorry, but Quinn taking shots at Lias and Kravtsov further bolsters the mindset I’ve had in this, that the organization has mishandled this entire thing from the start and that Quinn is not the right guy for the job.

It’s a completely unprofessional and petty look for a guy that’s supposed to be leading a team. Not that his decision making wasn’t already clown show level material, now he has to act like one to the media?

Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, David. Take your bull**** “earn it” rhetoric that didn’t apply across the board while you’re at it.

Yeah I'm surprised this didn't get more of a response in the game thread last night

Some people are carrying water for him saying "he wasn't taking a shot at them" but let's be real, he knows what he's saying. And even if he were to come out and claim it wasn't intentional, you have to be smarter than that. He's fully aware of the situation, and he's the mouthpiece for the organization.

It just came off bad to me

 

[Calad]

I think a big problem from the get-go was lack of know-how in the organization. Remember that Lias was our first 1st round pick in five years. And that doesn't tell the whole story, before that our last pick was a project from College in Brady Skjei. The hockey world changes. Lias won the SHL his draft year, then had to travel across the Atlantic five times during the summer to combine/draft, rookie camp, WJSS, Traverse and what not. The NYR brass were furious at the performance at the Traverse Tournament, were Lias obviously had zero gas left in the tank. Right before the Traverse Tournament had been played, I commented on it during the WJSS that Lias went to the bench ASAP and took like 20 sec shifts because he obviously was gassed. I think this was were things started to go wrong. At that point he had played well over a game every third day the last 12 months, the schedule had just been crazy (its not a joke, he probably got the world record for hockey games played during a 12 month period during this stint).

Then Lias returned to the SHL and played for Frölunda, but NYR yanked him against his will to return to the AHL instead after the WJC. Its quite obvious that this aggravated the situation since the player felt that the developmental conditions in AHL held stone-aged standards compared to what he was used to in the SHL. Remember that this was before the last overhaul attempt of HFD that was launched late this summer and that NYR at the time had one of the worst farm systems in the league that had been totally neglected for a long long time. All individual situations are unique, but there are roughly 50 Swedes in the AHL, a ton of Finns, Czechs, and other European players in the AHL. Some stay a number of years, others are short lived. But most of the time a European player go to NA, that for example is a long-shot, they say that they will give it a few years and also does that. But nobody have wanted to spend any time whatsoever in HFD for a long long time. Its not just Lias Andersson and Kravtsov that has wanted to bolt from HFD ASAP the last months, before that you have a bunch of guys like Calle Andersson, Petr Zamorsky, Mikael Lindqvist, Kovac, Stromwall and the likes that planned to go to NA for a few years but that couldn't get away from HFD fast enough once they got there. I think we were all shocked when Ville Meskanen played more than one season in the AHL (he bolted after 20 games in y2).

Today I am certain that nobody in this organization would approach player development like we did 2-3 years ago. At that time the brass just had zero experience of the conditions a highly touted young kid has today. Like we didn't loan Kaapo Kakko to the Finish WJSS team, or let him play with TPS during pre-season and in the CHL and so forth. Kakko didn't even participate at the Combine. But I just don't think we had much know-how in the organization 2-3 years ago. Remember that Slats staffed the organization with friends and family, old agents without hockey background, GM's from the 80s. Then when Gorton took over, he just brought in totally green ex players to ensure that we didn't get anyone that potentially could undercut him. Gorton is competent but only has 24 hours per day to work with and have had a ton of work with the NHL team. When the NYR hires a president it brings in a TV guy with a sweet voice, not someone that has actually accomplished anything anywhere.

I do think the intentions are the rights one in the Organization, but its been a messy situation. In this, its important to remember that Lias has big issues with his skating and have had that from day 1. He hasn't been easy to handle/develop.

Talk about a hot take. JD went in and oversaw the overhaul of 2 failing organizations, one of which he laid the groundwork for a Stanley cup last year. He's not just some random figurehead TV personality.