Speculation: Lias Andersson asks for a trade - Part II

[True Blue]

Quinn is now public enemy #1 because he's not coddling a couple of young players who in turn acted like entitled brats and walked away from the organization? Newsflash - the next coach that comes in would react the same way. And the next coach. And the next. I don't know who's totally at fault here, but the straight up inability to entertain that the player could be a bad apple is a severe blind spot that some people - like you - need to get over.

Am I reading all of this correctly? Quinn made a comment about players going to Hartford and working hard and it is now being taken as veiled shots at Anderson and Kravstov? This is where this board has come to?

 

[bigdog16]

If it were "mental health issues" why wouldn't he just take a leave of absence?

Why did he throw a hissy fit, ask to be traded, and then leave the team?

 

[LORDE]

I heard Quinn's presser on XM.

I knew what he was saying. (both praise for Shesty and shots at others)

I agree with all of it.

But I tend to think in the vein that if you want to be a pro athlete (Tiger Woods comes to mind) and make MILLIONS of dollars, you forfeit the right to certain aspects of privacy and that includes being called out for bad play, misdeeds or mistakes including in your personal life.

The media covers you and THAT is why you make your millions and cash your Gatorade checks.

It comes with the territory for better or worse

 

[Kovalev27]

Sorry but none of this has anything to do with the simple fact the kid doesn’t have NHL talent. Can’t skate with any pace. Forget when he has the puck on his stick that’s laughable really.

so sounds a lot like an entitled kid looking for excuses as to why he isn’t the 2nd line center for the NY Rangers after 2 decent preseason games instead of working his way up to being that.

the fact that he said trade me I’ll be home in Sweden waiting for it without the self awareness that nobody wants him is mind boggling.

 

[Kovalev27]

Eh, I thought Quinn's comments were more praising Shesterkin because he's an older player who had tons of success outside the NHL as a pro and he went to Hartford and didn't complain and proved he was the best goalie in the whole league there.

A lot of other goalies in that position may have left for home after not making the NHL roster or not being called up sooner or maybe would've sulked while down there. By all we've heard Shesty has been great on the ice and off the ice in Hartford. Exactly what you want to see.

I know it seems like a shot at Lias and even Kravtsov, but I didn't take it that way.

yeah I didn’t either. Shesterkin has a legit resume he could have said I’m not going to the AHL call me when there’s an nhl job avail. But he didn’t. I don’t think these comments had anything to do with Lias Andersson. I think Lias Andersson is the furthest guy from Quinn’s mind right now.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

To clarify, Giannone said Andersson would never again play for the Rangers?



I'm not sure those interviews really said that he had a mental health issue. I took it more to mean that he was struggling with the situation and mentally down on himself, the Rangers, the process, etc. Not that he realized "oh **** I have severe depression" or something. That said, even if he did have a legitimate mental health issue it's probably not something that's always easy to see.

This all still feels like there's something not being said about what's gone on. Players usually don't just leave the team and seem prepared to sit out of playing hockey for an entire 1.5 years if necessary. Rightly or wrongly Andersson seems very convinced that he was wronged by the Rangers in some way.

I'm going back on forth on this myself...it's tough to think the Rangers actually did something really beyond the pale, you'd think it'd have come out one way or another or that there'd be more whispers about it being an issue with the team around the league, but I also don't feel completely comfortable just saying Andersson is all to blame.

Just weird all around

This is why I think there was some kind of unintentional mixup regarding Lias and Kravtsov which led them to believe they were guaranteed top spots on the club.

 

[haohmaru]

Man, this must be a record setting amount of postings about a guy on the fringe of being an NHL player in the history of HF NYR.

The fact that he’s still yapping about this from across the Atlantic furthers my lessening opinion on a “character guy”.

We’re not getting anything for him. Trade him for future considerations and stop the headache.

 

[One Winged Angel]

I thought it was great. It shows that if you work hard, put the time in your will get rewarded. You pout and throw in the towel you don't.

2 wrongs don’t make a right. The head coach is supposed to be the leader and take the high road. That’s unprofessional. If you believe Lias is wrong, then you have to believe Quinn is wrong as well. You can’t have your cake and eat it too. I don’t want someone who is willing to throw players under the bus with thinly veiled shots like that as a coach. Those guys don’t win.

Also, if it’s not a shot, then all he had to say was “Igor earned it and I’m proud of him.”

If he says that, no one can view it as a shot, even if Quinn is thinking that under his breath and you, me or the next person can’t argue against that.

Also...I'm not buying the mental health stuff on Lias end because how would a trade help that? If he needed help in that regard he wouldnt be asking for a trade he would be asking for some time away. Imo and it's just my opinion but I think he is sooking like when he threw his medal away.

That’s fine, you don’t have to buy it, as long as you don’t act like you know what it’s like to be in their shoes, as none of us do.

 

[Levitate]

This is why I think there was some kind of unintentional mixup regarding Lias and Kravtsov which led them to believe they were guaranteed top spots on the club.

I mean I believe that they were told they'd have a chance to earn their spot and if I had to guess I'd say they were probably encouraged and praised during the process, so when they were told 'you're not quite ready yet' one way or another then it was pretty crushing, at least in Kravtsov's case.

To be honest though again I think these players from the SHL, KHL, etc, need to get over the idea that they're too good for the AHL. Yah you know what the AHL sucks in terms of its popularity and maybe it's not fun to play in front of a tiny crowd in Hartford during the winter but you need to decide what you're trying to accomplish. Are you trying to make the NHL or are you just trying to play hockey someplace? If you're close to the NHL then suck it up. Go beat up on the AHL if it's such an inferior league and force your team to call you back up to the NHL. Learn how to play the NA style hockey, because going back to your home league sure isn't going to teach you that. Some of these guys are skilled enough that sure they can come from any league and get by in their first year or so in the NHL but you know what Andersson sure isn't skilled enough for that, Kravtsov isn't, hell Kakko is barely skilled enough (or maybe not even). It's a really damn big adjustment. Look at a guy like Gusev who was an amazing KHL player and it's taken him half a season to start figuring things out and he's 27 years old.
It feels like too many of these kids feel like the NHL is no big deal, just another quick step up from the pro league they were playing in at home. It's not, it's a huge leap. The style is completely different, the players are just plain better, you have remarkably less time to do anything at all.
While I think that yeah maybe the Rangers should have left someone like Andersson in the SHL, you can see the reason why they want them to come to the AHL is that there's a style of play that they need to learn and they're not going to get that someplace else.
So, if you come over you better be ready to spend some time in the AHL because the NHL is a much different beast and it's not a simple step up from wherever you were playing before.

 

[Harbour Dog]

Just read 10 pages of this thread to catch up, then typed a long post about how we're adding words to quotes before we even begin supposition about them. Then I deleted it, because f*** it.

He never said "mental health issues"

His father wasn't quoted at all, it was "a source that frequently speaks to his father"

Trump gets mocked for "fake news", but he isn't wrong; it's everywhere. All it takes is one person on the internet to misinterpret one thing incorrectly and it starts a ball rolling that nobody has control over.

Whatever is going on with Lias, I hope he finds contentment and health. But I'm not giving him f*** all benefit of the doubt until I see an explanation stated by either him or the Rangers without any need for supposition.

edit - oh, and Quinn was critical of players for not trying hard enough? Who cares? He's obviously a bit of hard ass, and the players know that. Prove your worth despite your relationship with him, and despite the league or the line you are on.

 

[One Winged Angel]

Am I reading all of this correctly? Quinn made a comment about players going to Hartford and working hard and it is now being taken as veiled shots at Anderson and Kravstov? This is where this board has come to?

If it’s not, then just say “Igor earned it and I’m proud of him” and end it there.

Also, is it really that hard to believe when he made comments about Europeans only a month ago and 2 European players are the players in question?

 

[Ola]

Talk about a hot take. JD went in and oversaw the overhaul of 2 failing organizations, one of which he laid the groundwork for a Stanley cup last year. He's not just some random figurehead TV personality.

If EDM wins the cup this year is it because Chiarelli oversaw the overhaul of that team? I think those teams played three rounds in the POs and won like one of them while he was there.

All I know it’s that the hire of him wasn’t based on his merits. You should hire the best guy for a job. Maybe JD was the best guy on the planet, but I am not sold on it.

One Cup in almost 80 years, why should we win another one? Because JD, Ortmayer, Drury and co are the best guys on the planet to handle their positions? Color me sceptical, and I think our disastrous job with the farm speaks its clear language of how well things are working right now...

 

[Lion Hound]

Just read 10 pages of this thread to catch up, then typed a long post about how we're adding words to quotes before we even begin supposition about them. Then I deleted it, because **** it.

He never said "mental health issues"

His father wasn't quoted at all, it was "a source that frequently speaks to his father"

Trump gets mocked for "fake news", but he isn't wrong; it's everywhere. All it takes is one person on the internet to misinterpret one thing incorrectly and it starts a ball rolling that nobody has control over.

Whatever is going on with Lias, I hope he finds contentment and health. But I'm not giving him **** all benefit of the doubt until I see an explanation stated by either him or the Rangers without any need for supposition.

edit - oh, and Quinn was critical of players for not trying hard enough? Who cares? He's obviously a bit of hard ass, and the players know that. Prove your worth despite your relationship with him, and despite the league or the line you are on.

Perhaps tough love is exactly what the world needs right now.

For Lias, im still pissed off at all this. I look at it this way. If you cant handle playing in an AHL environment while your career develops, how are you ever going to have the mental fortitude to handle a 7 game NHL playoff series against a division rival?

 

[mike14]

Perhaps tough love is exactly what the world needs right now.

For Lias, im still pissed off at all this. I look at it this way. If you cant handle playing in an AHL environment while your career develops, how are you ever going to have the mental fortitude to handle a 7 game NHL playoff series against a division rival?

But maybe he realised he couldn't handle it and so ask for leave, and the club said no....
We have basically no news about the situation so just remain patient, and understand that not only may we never get the full story, we aren't 'owed' the full story

 

[cwede]

this has all been beaten to death, so I'm surprising myself by even joining in here again
and these points may be above, i haven't been staying up on all 740 posts

but in retrospect, it this does maybe connect multiple things that were discussed at length here a couple years ago -
- Lias's overbooked summer 2017,
- Gordie Clark's harsh comments after TC,
- Lias's injury at WJC and
- NYR keeping him in NA after that
and indicate that Lias's concerns may go back a long time

unfortunate situation, I sympathize with him somewhat, but i do think he handled it poorly by suddenly bolting ...

 

[JimmyG89]

To briefly summarize:

• Andersson is injured. Lower body is his feet, not just one foot.
• Currently cannot fit his feet in skates, will see a specialist
• Was asked if he was bullied, that is where he could not comment, but the reporter who has known him for a long time has never seen him like this before
• Hesitated when asked about bullying

So, if he has something wrong with his feet, it could explain why he was gliding more on the ice and "not engaged". We obviously have no clue what the Rangers did or were going to do for him, but clearly it was not working for him. Mentioned several incidents that disturbed him.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

EDIT: Interesting about his feet

I'd be curious to know if he was hiding the injury from the team, or if the injury just happened recently before he made his trade request public

Regardless, this is slowly turning into an unpleasant situation for everyone involved

 

[Levitate]

this has all been beaten to death, so I'm surprising myself by even joining in here again
and these points may be above, i haven't been staying up on all 740 posts

but in retrospect, it this does maybe connect multiple things that were discussed at length here a couple years ago -
- Lias's overbooked summer 2017,
- Gordie Clark's harsh comments after TC,
- Lias's injury at WJC and
- NYR keeping him in NA after that
and indicate that Lias's concerns may go back a long time

unfortunate situation, I sympathize with him somewhat, but i do think he handled it poorly by suddenly bolting ...

I still wonder if this supposed injury that has him sidelined was the catalyst for him bolting. Whether it was just a "shit I'm injured why am I putting myself out there for this team" or it was a "they didn't look after me the way they should have", it could have played a role in him leaving.

 

[Calad]

If EDM wins the cup this year is it because Chiarelli oversaw the overhaul of that team? I think those teams played three rounds in the POs and won like one of them while he was there.

All I know it’s that the hire of him wasn’t based on his merits. You should hire the best guy for a job. Maybe JD was the best guy on the planet, but I am not sold on it.

One Cup in almost 80 years, why should we win another one? Because JD, Ortmayer, Drury and co are the best guys on the planet to handle their positions? Color me sceptical, and I think our disastrous job with the farm speaks its clear language of how well things are working right now...

Hartford in the last 5 years was abysmal, and then JD is hired and he helps bring a new coach and structure to the system and now Harford is in 1st in the east. How do you not see any correlation there? He made the similar changes and improvements in both StL and CBJ to bring those franchises back to a respectable level. They were both bottom dwellers upon his arrival. But somehow JD get no credit for what he contributed both there and here because "he's just some TV guy".

Utter nonsense.

 

[Athor]

He can't fit his feet in his skates but he's walking around freely & seemingly fine?

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Am I reading all of this correctly? Quinn made a comment about players going to Hartford and working hard and it is now being taken as veiled shots at Anderson and Kravstov? This is where this board has come to?

I actually think it was a veiled shot at Andersson and Kravtsov - most importantly, a justified one.

Unless Andersson belongs in a mental institution, there is no justification for what either one of them did when faced with adversity.

 

[bigdog16]

“But I'm not a spoiled (expletive) kid who complains about not being allowed to play hockey for the New York Rangers. That's not the thing. There are other factors.”

Weird because all of this makes you out to be just that, a spoiled brat

 

[nyr2k2]

He can't fit his feet in his skates but he's walking around freely & seemingly fine?

I can barely fit my feet into my Bruno Magli loafers every morning, but even at the end of the day with swollen feet I can pop on my sneakers (is that a phrase anymore?) and go work out in the yard.

 

[True Blue]

If it’s not, then just say “Igor earned it and I’m proud of him” and end it there.

Why are we now scripting speeches for the coach? Do the players need safe spaces? He said what he said. Want to see it as a shot? Ok. Then see it that way. Who cares? It doesn't distort the truth. Not like he is lying.

I think he said what he said without it meaning anything beyond what it means.

Also, is it really that hard to believe when he made comments about Europeans only a month ago and 2 European players are the players in question?

What comments are those? That Kakko needs to change his game from the way he played in Liga? He does. What is the problem?

 

[nyr2k2]

“But I'm not a spoiled (expletive) kid who complains about not being allowed to play hockey for the New York Rangers. That's not the thing. There are other factors.”

Weird because all of this makes you out to be just that, a spoiled brat

I've been really hard on him, but some of the stuff he's saying is intriguing, really makes me want to know what's actually going on with him. I'm not getting spoiled brat vibes, seems like something is very off.