Speculation: Lias Andersson asks for a trade - Part II

[Shesterkybomb]

besides Chytil and Buchnevich, the rest had their issues.

Fox didn’t want to play for Carolina (thankfully)
DeAngelo changed teams often due to attitude, etc
Zibby was considered an underachiever and traded
Strome was considered a bust

meanwhile in Ottawa, an Anthony DuClair at the old age of 24 may have found a home.

These kids are rushed and drafted earlier than any of these NFL players. It’s not easy and they are rushed.

Exactly...they all flourished under our organization when they failed elsewhere. Duclair was a misstep but we didnt lose him for nothing we traded him for something we felt we needed, I don't think ny gave up on him they used him to get something. So one kid struggles and the organization is bad? Strange.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I’m sorry, but Quinn taking shots at Lias and Kravtsov further bolsters the mindset I’ve had in this, that the organization has mishandled this entire thing from the start and that Quinn is not the right guy for the job.

It’s a completely unprofessional and petty look for a guy that’s supposed to be leading a team. Not that his decision making wasn’t already clown show level material, now he has to act like one to the media?

Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, David. Take your bull**** “earn it” rhetoric that didn’t apply across the board while you’re at it.

What shots are you referring to? Where he complimented Shesterkin for taking care of business in Hartford without bitching and whining? Big f***ing deal.

Quinn is now public enemy #1 because he's not coddling a couple of young players who in turn acted like entitled brats and walked away from the organization? Newsflash - the next coach that comes in would react the same way. And the next coach. And the next. I don't know who's totally at fault here, but the straight up inability to entertain that the player could be a bad apple is a severe blind spot that some people - like you - need to get over.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Yeah I'm surprised this didn't get more of a response in the game thread last night

Some people are carrying water for him saying "he wasn't taking a shot at them" but let's be real, he knows what he's saying. And even if he were to come out and claim it wasn't intentional, you have to be smarter than that. He's fully aware of the situation, and he's the mouthpiece for the organization.

It just came off bad to me

Call me crazy but I don't think Quinn would've said anything if these two players didn't literally pack their bags and leave the organization that he is a mouthpiece for.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Yeah I'm surprised this didn't get more of a response in the game thread last night

Some people are carrying water for him saying "he wasn't taking a shot at them" but let's be real, he knows what he's saying. And even if he were to come out and claim it wasn't intentional, you have to be smarter than that. He's fully aware of the situation, and he's the mouthpiece for the organization.

It just came off bad to me

Sorry, what was the quote?

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Sorry, what was the quote?

This was from pre-game

Call me crazy but I don't think Quinn would've said anything if these two players didn't literally pack their bags and leave the organization that he is a mouthpiece for.

No offense dude but you were literally in this thread yesterday basically saying Lias didn't have a mental health issues but was mentally weak

Of course you aren't going to agree

Again, even if it wasn't intentional (which I find hard to believe because he's made these comments multiple times before), he should have the wherewithal to know the room. The story just came out yesterday about Lias leaving the team for mental health issue, and then he says this a couple hours later

Like come on

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Buchnevich? He’s on pace for 45 points, 2 over his career high under AV and his defensive game hasn’t gotten much better. Bad example to use. DeAngelo’s problems were always off ice/locker room issues. Had nothing to do with skill.

Zibanejad was getting better under AV, but missed time due to injuries, then figured out he had to pay more attention to his diet and offseason workouts.

Strome just needed to get the hell away from Edmonton.

Fox came in and did exactly what he was supposed to do and since he was taken off of the 1st PP unit, the PP has fallen in ranking.

Why is Quinn getting the credit for all of this?

Quinn isn't getting all the praise...the organization is but he has helped with Chytil Fox, and DeAngelo but nice try. You can't point out one failure and then ignore the successes of the organization, doesnt work that way.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

This was from pre-game



No offense dude but you were literally in this thread yesterday basically saying Lias didn't have a mental health issues but was mentally weak

Of course you aren't going to agree

Again, even if it wasn't intentional (which I find hard to believe because he's made these comments multiple times before), he should have the wherewithal to know the room. The story just came out yesterday about Lias leaving the team for mental health issue, and then he says this a couple hours later

Like come on

Until I see some actual evidence, I think the "mental health issue" speculation is way overblown. Unless you equate a mental health issue to being demoted to the minor leagues, which I most certainly do not.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

If there were serious mental health issues he wouldn’t have left the team and the. Be suspended he would have requested a leave of absence like everyone else in that situation and they would have announced hes out indefinitely for personal reasons.

Berglund, Patrik.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Until I see some actual evidence, I think the "mental health issue" speculation is way overblown. Unless you equate a mental health issue to being demoted to the minor leagues, which I most certainly do not.

Lias doesn't owe you any f***ing evidence about his personal issues

You kept saying "we don't know what's going on behind the scenes", guess what? There could be so much more to this than just being demoted.

We have no idea

 

[WojtekWolski86]

So Quinn is an asshole for praising Chytil and Igor for taking the AHL demotion in stride, putting in the work and performing then rewarding them for said work and praising them vs the two players that got sent down, pouted about getting sent down and didn't even attempt to put in the work and tucked their tail between their legs and went home at the first sign of adversity?

Also, some players have a sense of entitlement when they are a top 10 pick of "I was drafted top 10 I don't need to go to the AHL" mentality.

So is it the Islanders fault that Josh Ho Sang doesn't want to report to the AHL again and wants a trade? Do you think Ho Sang takes any responsibility for his actions? Do you think both sides maybe have some piece of blame?

If you don't show up for work and get fired or suspended you can't complain that the organization mistreated you after the fact. Just come off as entitled/sour grapes.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

What shots are you referring to? Where he complimented Shesterkin for taking care of business in Hartford without *****ing and whining? Big ****ing deal.

Quinn is now public enemy #1 because he's not coddling a couple of young players who in turn acted like entitled brats and walked away from the organization? Newsflash - the next coach that comes in would react the same way. And the next coach. And the next. I don't know who's totally at fault here, but the straight up inability to entertain that the player could be a bad apple is a severe blind spot that some people - like you - need to get over.

Link to these quotes? Didn't get a chance to see them

 

[nihlify]

No, sorry Lias Andersson’s Dad...the NHL team DOES get to decide your development. Once you come to North America that is the concession you are making. You are property of the team. He could’ve said no and stayed in the SHL for another year or two. He may have felt like the Rangers were pushing for him to come over after the WJC and injury but he still had control of the situation. I dont want to read that nonsense, no offense @Ola. I dont care if its 2020 and times are a changing in society...this is the way the NHL works and really how any job should work...the employer decides the fate of the employee, not the other way around.

In most jobs (depending a little which country you are in) you have certain rights both as an employer and as an employee. If my boss tells me I'm demoted and being sent to our second office in a different town, I'm allowed to quit and find another job in the same town I'm currently in. Yes, NHL works differently, but comparing it to regular jobs is a stretch at best.

 

[TheDirtyH]

It's truly crazy to analogize any random office job with being a professional athlete. JMHO.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Lias doesn't owe you any ****ing evidence about his personal issues

You kept saying "we don't know what's going on behind the scenes", guess what? There could be so much more to this than just being demoted.

We have no idea

If it comes out that Andersson has legitimate mental health issues, the organization knows about it, and Quinn fired off that quote, I'd agree it was in bad taste. I think that's a real big leap of faith, and giving the player far too much the benefit of the doubt.

Does Andersson owe me an explanation? Nope. Does he owe his employer one for what he did? Absolutely.

 

[One Winged Angel]

What shots are you referring to? Where he complimented Shesterkin for taking care of business in Hartford without *****ing and whining? Big ****ing deal.

Quinn is now public enemy #1 because he's not coddling a couple of young players who in turn acted like entitled brats and walked away from the organization? Newsflash - the next coach that comes in would react the same way. And the next coach. And the next. I don't know who's totally at fault here, but the straight up inability to entertain that the player could be a bad apple is a severe blind spot that some people - like you - need to get over.

So you mean to tell me he’s not taking shots at anyone? Then what need is there to say any of that? You can’t possibly be this naive, yet here we are. Then again, if you’re naive enough to believe that Quinn could do no wrong and that he’s somehow above reproach, this conversation isn’t worth having.

The only one that needs to get over anything here is you getting over yourself.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Eh, I thought Quinn's comments were more praising Shesterkin because he's an older player who had tons of success outside the NHL as a pro and he went to Hartford and didn't complain and proved he was the best goalie in the whole league there.

A lot of other goalies in that position may have left for home after not making the NHL roster or not being called up sooner or maybe would've sulked while down there. By all we've heard Shesty has been great on the ice and off the ice in Hartford. Exactly what you want to see.

I know it seems like a shot at Lias and even Kravtsov, but I didn't take it that way.

 

[RGY]

In most jobs (depending a little which country you are in) you have certain rights both as an employer and as an employee. If my boss tells me I'm demoted and being sent to our second office in a different town, I'm allowed to quit and find another job in the same town I'm currently in. Yes, NHL works differently, but comparing it to regular jobs is a stretch at best.

Yeah you’re right that employee sure can quit. And that employee sure can go look for another job with the hope that it fits the criteria they are looking for and had with the previous job while also hoping it leads to future success. But that new employer is gona ask hey why did you quit your job? Oh you were demoted, how come? And what is the answer gona be, oh they were out to get me so they demoted me? Sure it isnt the exact same but there are similarities. The NHL while being in the entertainment business, is still a business and it is still a job. Things dont go your way, you want to pout? Let’s see how that works out for you. People in any industry talk. Yea maybe if you were working at CVS, no problem you can get a job at another retail store.

Good he can quit, leave an original 6 organization that until proven otherwise has not done anything wrong or unethical in his case, and it will also be a black mark on his bio. A proceed with caution for any interested team. And because the Rangers and Gorton wont just give him away, he is gona be stuck here or he’ll simply play in Sweden never to play in the NHL, which is his ONLY right when it comes to an NHL career.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

So you mean to tell me he’s not taking shots at anyone? Then what need is there to say any of that? You can’t possibly be this naive, yet here we are. Then again, if you’re naive enough to believe that Quinn could do no wrong and that he’s somehow above reproach, this conversation isn’t worth having.

The only one that needs to get over anything here is you getting over yourself.

He was praising Shesterkin while potentially taking veiled shots at Andersson and Kravtsov. And based on what we currently know, they both deserve it. I would suggest not falling in love with prospects and maybe you'd look at the situation with clearer eyes.

 

[SixGoalieSystem]

No. To me its his Dad stirring up **** putting a bad perception of NHL organizations and player development, even more specifically the Rangers. Him and his Dad are playing the blame game. Its everyone else’s fault but Lias. Thats a Lias problem, not a Rangers problem.

Was he and Chytil rushed a bit, sure. But you have two kids who were handed similar situations, albeit Chytil getting a longer leash on better forward lines, who responded differently. Chytil was sent down. Lias made the team.

Mental Health is a serious issue, but it is still hard to determine if this is a real issue for Lias or a play by him and his “people”. Because the follow up comments sound like a lot of woe is me.

I certainly agree that there is some degree of blame deflection going on on the father's part here. I still think the main takeaway was: "Don't let the NHL club pressure you to come over before you are ready", which I thought was somewhat similar to your point. In no way am I saying that it was the case here, I am more prone to believe that Lias wanted to come over asap regardless of any pressure that he may have felt and that Dad disagreed, but that is of course speculation on my part.

As for Lias, I think his statements have been pretty respectful, but it seems he felt a need to say that it's more to the story than the narrative seemingly coming from the main club: That he was unprofessional, couldn't handle some adversity before requesting a trade and then bolting. I don't know where the truth lies.

If there are in fact mental health issues, I hope he is able to get better. If it's just a bratty kid being a sourpus because he didn't get what he wanted right away, I hope he grows up.

 

[RGY]

I certainly agree that there is some degree of blame deflection going on on the father's part here. I still think the main takeaway was: "Don't let the NHL club pressure you to come over before you are ready", which I thought was somewhat similar to your point. In no way am I saying that it was the case here, I am more prone to believe that Lias wanted to come over asap regardless of any pressure that he may have felt and that Dad disagreed, but that is of course speculation on my part.

As for Lias, I think his statements have been pretty respectful, but it seems he felt a need to say that it's more to the story than the narrative seemingly coming from the main club: That he was unprofessional, couldn't handle some adversity before requesting a trade and then bolting. I don't know where the truth lies.

If there are in fact mental health issues, I hope he is able to get better. If it's just a bratty kid being a sourpus because he didn't get what he wanted right away, I hope he grows up.

But I don’t think there is any narrative being pushed by the Rangers Organization. They have barely said anything on the situation other than acknowledging it. They said they would explore trades to meet his request. They obviously have not found a match that meets their own needs.

Lias said it himself in the interview, he took the first best flight home, left his gear behind. Didnt think twice about the consequences or ramifications with the organization. That is immaturity.

His mental health is one thing. But to me, if thats the main issue that you need to deal with, your first reaction or concern is not to request a trade to another NHL organization to play. If you have mental health issues, youre informing the organization that you need to step away from the team.

This just an immature kid imo, who is also maybe getting bad advice.

 

[One Winged Angel]

I know it seems like a shot at Lias and even Kravtsov, but I didn't take it that way.

That’s totally fine. I disagree, but we’re allowed to own opinions.

I just don’t care for some of the high horse bullshit that’s gone on in this thread and people acting like they just dismiss someone claiming mental health issues like they’re nothing, acting like they’ve walked even 5 steps in that person’s shoes.

I’d love to see these people go to another country away from their families at 18-20 years old and having the weight of expectations to succeed on their shoulders. I love how people think it’s easy to be an NHL player or someone aspiring to be one. None of us have a clue of how it is. Stop acting like you do.

 

[One Winged Angel]

He was praising Shesterkin while potentially taking veiled shots at Andersson and Kravtsov. And based on what we currently know, they both deserve it. I would suggest not falling in love with prospects and maybe you'd look at the situation with clearer eyes.

I’d suggest you stop putting words in my mouth and maybe you’d be able to understand what I’m saying.

I called out Quinn for being unprofessional. No matter what way you spin it, you don’t say something like that to the media. Even if it’s not a shot, it still opens up the door for a potential distraction as the media is going to continue to ask questions and speculate about it.

It’s a completely unnecessary and unprofessional thing to say, regardless of whether you agree or not.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I’d suggest you stop putting words in my mouth and maybe you’d be able to understand what I’m saying.

I called out Quinn for being unprofessional. No matter what way you spin it, you don’t say something like that to the media. Even if it’s not a shot, it still opens up the door for a potential distraction as the media is going to continue to ask questions and speculate about it.

It’s a completely unnecessary and unprofessional thing to say, regardless of whether you agree or not.

I thought it was great. It shows that if you work hard, put the time in your will get rewarded. You pout and throw in the towel you don't.
Also...I'm not buying the mental health stuff on Lias end because how would a trade help that? If he needed help in that regard he wouldnt be asking for a trade he would be asking for some time away. Imo and it's just my opinion but I think he is sooking like when he threw his medal away.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

It's truly crazy to analogize any random office job with being a professional athlete. JMHO.

True. But also absolutely ridiculous that people expect professional athletes to operate differently than the average human. In fact, I'd argue that they are very likely to take demotions and pay cuts even worse than the average joe.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Exactly...they all flourished under our organization when they failed elsewhere. Duclair was a misstep but we didnt lose him for nothing we traded him for something we felt we needed, I don't think ny gave up on him they used him to get something. So one kid struggles and the organization is bad? Strange.

It's a combo of everything. The media hypes the kids up (he plays with men as a kid, compared to current all-stars, etc). My gosh, Kappo still has teenage acne, Kravtsov is following his Mom in Stamford, DeAngelo was train wreck, Lias, etc. Kids are drafted a few weeks removed from High School Prom and told to be a man. It's ridiculous.