GDT: Let the Free Agency Madness begin

[DaveG]

I’m not sold on EK being the right move. I’ll just say that now so it’s here. I’m not dead set against it, but it seems waaaaay too risky.

If it comes to pass I hope I’m 100% wrong and he is the missing piece.

identical line of thought man, especially with Tony on his way back tomorrow

 

[Sigurd]

I of course share the desire to get a good top 6 forward, and we know from an interview with Rod a few days ago according to @Boom Boom Apathy that Waddell and Dundon are trying hard to get one (and Rod said he wants to get one), but at the same time, getting Karlsson is exciting because we could have one of the best blue lines in YEARS across the NHL. Karlsson on top of what we already have for defensemen is like basically dream tier for a blue line IMO (even with the risk of him regressing a lot as other people have voiced concern about).

I hope if we get Karlsson, we can still get a good top 6 forward.

 

[Lempo]

Isn’t the rumour that the Canes are looking to trade Pesce for futures and then use that return in a Karlsson trade? Lekkerimaki would surely fit that bill.

I think the reported rumor was that Canes are trying to obtain assets to be used in the speculative Karsson trade, and our own conjecture on that is that they are looking to trade Pesce to get those (as Pesce presumably is not waving his NTC to go to San Jose).

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Isn’t the rumour that the Canes are looking to trade Pesce for futures and then use that return in a Karlsson trade? Lekkerimaki would surely fit that bill.

I don’t know much about Lekkermaki. In most discussions, when Canes fans ask another teams fans for a really good prospect for Pesce, it’s not well received. Are you just more generous? Or is he not a very promising prospect (regardless of draft pedigree)?

 

[cptjeff]

I’m not sold on EK being the right move. I’ll just say that now so it’s here. I’m not dead set against it, but it seems waaaaay too risky.

If it comes to pass I hope I’m 100% wrong and he is the missing piece.

Agreed. We need some forwards who shoot the damn puck and do it well. If Karlsson is willing to play wing, that'd work too.

 

[elitepete]

I don’t know much about Lekkermaki. In most discussions, when Canes fans ask another teams fans for a really good prospect for Pesce, it’s not well received. Are you just more generous? Or is he not a very promising prospect (regardless of draft pedigree)?

He’s our 2nd or 3rd best prospect. He was a mid 1st in 2022. had a disappointing d+1 regular season but kind of made up for it in the playoffs.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

He’s our 2nd or 3rd best prospect. He was a mid 1st in 2022. had a disappointing d+1 regular season but kind of made up for it in the playoffs.

Here's what makes me skeptical. Here are your proposal's going back in time:

Jan 10: Boeset+Lekkerimaki for Provorov+3rd?
Jan 10: To CBJ: Lekkerimaki; To Canucks: Peeke
Feb 5: Lekkerimaki+Rathbone for Murphy
Apr 5: what about Murphy with retention for Lekkerimaki?
May 19: Marner for J.T Miller, Myers (make the cap work), 11th OA, Lekkerimaki
Jun 18: 11 + Lekkerimaki + Myers (cap dump) for Hanifin + 16
Monday: Miller+Lekkerimaki for Lindholm
Friday: How about Pesce for Lekkerimaki?

Whenever a poster is including a prospect in numerous trade proposals, I get a feeling that they don't think very highly of a prospect. Prospects that have high potential are almost never offered by teams because contribution on an ELC/2nd contract in a cap world is crucial.

Again, I don't know much about the guy to say if your proposal is a fair deal or not. It may or may not be. I'm just stating that's been my experience here on HF over the years.

 

[Borsig]

Nikishin come on over.

 

[Lempo]

Nikishin come on over. View attachment 727373

Flyers prospect Ivan Fedotov sent to Arctic after forced conscription into Russian military, reports say

The goalie was briefly hospitalized for gastritis on Friday before he was shipped off. He signed an entry-level NHL contract with Philadelphia for $925,000 in May

www.phillyvoice.com

He is this guy. Apparently a year at Novaya Zemlya helped him see the merits of a KHL contract.

 

[SlavinAway]

Are there any apps or sites that pull together rumors and trade confirmations? I remember there used to be an app called icebreaker or something like that.

 

[StormCast]

Agreed. We need some forwards who shoot the damn puck and do it well. If Karlsson is willing to play wing, that'd work too.

But adding one more forward won't, IMO, have the same impact as the best skating, best passing Dman in EK. He makes every F more dangerous by creating time and space, backing off the D and putting the puck (with pace) on a teammate's stick. Not in their skates, not on the wrong side, not too late when the shooting angle is already taken away. His passing doesn't go into prolonged droughts..

 

[FlyingSquirrels]

But adding one more forward won't, IMO, have the same impact as the best skating, best passing Dman in EK. He makes every F more dangerous by creating time and space, backing off the D and putting the puck (with pace) on a teammate's stick. Not in their skates, not on the wrong side, not too late when the shooting angle is already taken away. His passing doesn't go into prolonged droughts..

Exactly. Only on the Canes board would it be suggested that we move the most recent Norris winner to the wing. lol

 

[Sigurd]

Nikishin come on over. View attachment 727373

Yeah, if the cancelled agreement (which was only held in spirit after Russia's invasion of Ukraine) is no longer honored, then why should players with Russian contracts not switch to playing for the NHL when it has already happened the other way around?

I'm still skeptical we'll see a paradigm shift here though; especially because it'd be too good to be true if Nikishin can play for us before his KHL contract ends. That and Russian players probably fear retaliation against their families even if they left for North America. We're talking about a scumbag regime in the Kremlin. Truly evil assholes in that government; with Putin at the top of course.

 

[mikeyfan]

The Canucks and Sharks have been talking about Meyers going to the Sharks per the rumors I have read. So what about a 3 way trade as follows:

This is totally hypothetical and not rumored anywhere.

Canes Send Pesce and Skjei to the Nucks and the our 2024 1st both 2nds , our 2025 2nd and 45th with a prospect or 2 to the Sharks

Nucks send JT Miller to the Canes with 25% Retained bringing his contract down to 6 million a year, Meyers to the Sharks

Sharks send Karlson at 20% to the Nucks who in turns sends him to the Canes at 20% retained bringing Karlson's Cap hit to 7.3 a year

Then we get both a scoring forward and Karlson

I know most won't like it, but if we want both a forward and Karlson a trade similar to this MAY have to be done.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Yeah, if the cancelled agreement (which was only held in spirit after Russia's invasion of Ukraine) is no longer honored, then why should players with Russian contracts not switch to playing for the NHL when it has already happened the other way around?

I'm still skeptical we'll see a paradigm shift here though; especially because it'd be too good to be true if Nikishin can play for us before his KHL contract ends. That and Russian players probably fear retaliation against their families even if they left for North America. We're talking about a scumbag regime in the Kremlin. Truly evil assholes in that government; with Putin at the top of course.

I think you answered the question in your first paragraph with your second paragraph.

 

[raynman]

The Canucks and Sharks have been talking about Meyers going to the Sharks per the rumors I have read. So what about a 3 way trade as follows:

This is totally hypothetical and not rumored anywhere.

Canes Send Pesce and Skjei to the Nucks and the our 2024 1st both 2nds , our 2025 2nd and 45th with a prospect or 2 to the Sharks

Nucks send JT Miller to the Canes with 25% Retained bringing his contract down to 6 million a year, Meyers to the Sharks

Sharks send Karlson at 20% to the Nucks who in turns sends him to the Canes at 20% retained bringing Karlson's Cap hit to 7.3 a year

Then we get both a scoring forward and Karlson

I know most won't like it, but if we want both a forward and Karlson a trade similar to this MAY have to be done.

At least @Unsustainable warns us about his alcohol/drug use before his proposals.

 

[spockBokk]

The Canucks and Sharks have been talking about Meyers going to the Sharks per the rumors I have read. So what about a 3 way trade as follows:

This is totally hypothetical and not rumored anywhere.

Canes Send Pesce and Skjei to the Nucks and the our 2024 1st both 2nds , our 2025 2nd and 45th with a prospect or 2 to the Sharks

Nucks send JT Miller to the Canes with 25% Retained bringing his contract down to 6 million a year, Meyers to the Sharks

Sharks send Karlson at 20% to the Nucks who in turns sends him to the Canes at 20% retained bringing Karlson's Cap hit to 7.3 a year

Then we get both a scoring forward and Karlson

I know most won't like it, but if we want both a forward and Karlson a trade similar to this MAY have to be done.

…

So much wrong…

 

[mikeyfan]

…

So much wrong…

So much wrong, yet you won’t list them.

 

[SvechneJerk]

So much wrong, yet you won’t list them.

So many here are already at least a little hesitant about EK’s contract, even with retention.

And with the inclusion of Miller in this, when literally no one on this board - except you apparently - would dare touch due to HIS contract, is starting to make me wonder if you take the time to read posts here.

And just when we thought we’d heard the end of Miller proposals due to his NMC kicking in on the 1st…..

 

[Unsustainable]

At least @Unsustainable warns us about his alcohol/drug use before his proposals.

Its not much, but its honest

 

[mikeyfan]

So many here are already at least a little hesitant about EK’s contract, even with retention.

And with the inclusion of Miller in this, when literally no one on this board - except you apparently - would dare touch due to HIS contract, is starting to make me wonder if you take the time to read posts here.

And just when we thought we’d heard the end of Miller proposals due to his NMC kicking in on the 1st…..

JT at 6 million a year wouldn’t be that bad and with the cap projected to go up 4 million or more next season there is plenty of room to sign Aho and Necas, And Tevo if they want, and we get the Defenseman we are after in Karlson and a forward who is averaging around 30 goals a season the past 4 years, and has a PP touch.

again this was hypothetical but an avenue the canes may have to pursue to get both Karlson and a scoring forward

 

[Justicebork]

I had almost convinved myself that JT Miller's agent was a closeted huge caniac who shoehorned a NMC into that Godawful contract to spare our HFboards fanbase these delusioual trade ideas, I lost a little bit of innocence today.

 

[SvechneJerk]

JT at 6 million a year wouldn’t be that bad and with the cap projected to go up 4 million or more next season there is plenty of room to sign Aho and Necas, And Tevo if they want, and we get the Defenseman we are after in Karlson and a forward who is averaging around 30 goals a season the past 4 years, and has a PP touch.

again this was hypothetical but an avenue the canes may have to pursue to get both Karlson and a scoring forward

I'll go ahead & say that our FO will do nothing before we trade for JT Miller. Ask yourself this - if the Borg is willing to walk away from Pesce due to his upcoming contract, what makes you think for a moment that that same FO would then be willing to take on Miller's? I can't imagine that Miller is even in the top 10-15 forward targets we would have.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I'll go ahead & say that our FO will do nothing before we trade for JT Miller. Ask yourself this - if the Borg is willing to walk away from Pesce due to his upcoming contract, what makes you think for a moment that that same FO we would then be willing to take on Miller's? I can't imagine that Miller is even in the top 10-15 forward targets we would have.

If Miller’s last year was a smaller salary, he would be a decent target. Unfortunately that last season is all salary and 7.5 worth, making that very hard to move. Hertl’s on the other hand is only 3.5 million salary after a 2.5 million bonus

 

[hblueridgegal]

I hope our goalies are granted some grace with what they could be facing instead of being blamed.