GDT: Let the Free Agency Madness begin

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SeaBasstian

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I thought the trade for TDA was supposed to become official today......is there a specific time? Because I haven't seen anything about it yet....
 

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The Canucks and Sharks have been talking about Meyers going to the Sharks per the rumors I have read. So what about a 3 way trade as follows:

This is totally hypothetical and not rumored anywhere.

Canes Send Pesce and Skjei to the Nucks and the our 2024 1st both 2nds , our 2025 2nd and 45th with a prospect or 2 to the Sharks

Nucks send JT Miller to the Canes with 25% Retained bringing his contract down to 6 million a year, Meyers to the Sharks

Sharks send Karlson at 20% to the Nucks who in turns sends him to the Canes at 20% retained bringing Karlson's Cap hit to 7.3 a year

Then we get both a scoring forward and Karlson

I know most won't like it, but if we want both a forward and Karlson a trade similar to this MAY have to be done.

You lost me at JT Miller.

I'm all for sending a massive package to the Canucks for Petterson...but if the Nuckers are sending those guys out they're signaling a rebuild and would want different assets back.
 

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The only bit of info anywhere is that Chris Johnston supposedly deleted a post on Threads saying the trade would be completed today.
It is back. Clearly a glitch with the threads app. As you were everyone, nothing to see here.


Edit: gone again... not sure what to believe anymore but here is a screenshot
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Wouldn't you think, after having to wait almost 10 days, that the team would have the story ready to post the second they could announce it as official?
Not if they're waiting for a better story to pair it with, since there's still a lot of folks who don't exactly love the idea of TDA and a sweetener could make it go down easier.
 

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The Canucks and Sharks have been talking about Meyers going to the Sharks per the rumors I have read. So what about a 3 way trade as follows:

This is totally hypothetical and not rumored anywhere.

Canes Send Pesce and Skjei to the Nucks and the our 2024 1st both 2nds , our 2025 2nd and 45th with a prospect or 2 to the Sharks

Nucks send JT Miller to the Canes with 25% Retained bringing his contract down to 6 million a year, Meyers to the Sharks

Sharks send Karlson at 20% to the Nucks who in turns sends him to the Canes at 20% retained bringing Karlson's Cap hit to 7.3 a year

Then we get both a scoring forward and Karlson

I know most won't like it, but if we want both a forward and Karlson a trade similar to this MAY have to be done.
Holy shit, if we're giving up all those assets we should get EP, Wallinder, and Podz+
 

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I thought the trade for TDA was supposed to become official today......is there a specific time? Because I haven't seen anything about it yet....

The most realistic assumption is that Tony HAS been traded already in the future, but the only way the NHL will allow us to acquire him is if we conduct a pincer movement and utilize time-forward and time-reversal processes.

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If we’re actually in on EK, I don’t know how I feel about both Burns and EK with the way we play. Then adding Tony. I think if we got him I would put Skjei in the trade, re sign Pesce and trade Burns.

Slavin/EK
Orlov/Pesce
Chat?/Tony

I know it’s less star power but having a RD of Burns/Ek/Tony gives me a little anxiety.
In that case I'd rather keep Burns: 1) he's cheaper, 2) less term, 3) less injury concerns, 4) better all-around game
 

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In that case I'd rather keep Burns: 1) he's cheaper, 2) less term, 3) less injury concerns, 4) better all-around game
I’m torn on agreeing. I don’t think Burns is that good defensively, he makes a lot of interesting choices and gets caught running around a bit. I’m not sure he’s better defensively than karlsson. EK is a big notch better offensively. He’d make the forwards better than Burns does.

Health wise, I know should be convinced but I’m not. EK is five years younger and has a better build imo to last. I hands down agree Burns a monster and a freak, but to me he’s month to month or year to year at his age. If EK has the big injuries behind him I think health could be a push.

Term is a good point. Four years vs two. EK to 37 and Burns to 40. I just don’t have as much faith in Burns as others might, and EK is the notably better game breaker.

EK is the better player hands down in my book. Burns is a good fit so far though.
 

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So lovely on the Parkway today..a fresh 72 degrees. About to dive into some Old Hampton delights. Drove for miles and only encountered an enormous RV towing a jeep with plates from Quebec. Going so slow we could have chatted about hockey out our windows.
You inspired me to change mine up.

Took this photo a couple years ago up on Beacon Heights.
 
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Burns isn't going anywhere regardless of personal preference if we get Karlsson.

For one, Rod would rip the phone out of Don's hand before he even traded Burns.

Secondly, he does his job well (even with occasional defensive lapses), and not to mention he's very well loved by the team and the fans.

Finally, it'd also make the franchise look bad trading a big name/all-star veteran who waived to be traded here 1 year later. That could scare other players in the future from seriously considering us as a destination when a guy as good as Burns gets repaid by being traded so shortly after he wanted to play for us. It's also not like our front office has a reputation for long term commitment as things are already.
 

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Not if they're waiting for a better story to pair it with, since there's still a lot of folks who don't exactly love the idea of TDA and a sweetener could make it go down easier.
While I get your point.......

No.

If TDA coming here was something they saw as an issue, or cared about as an issue, with the fans, they wouldn't do it. But this is a business and TDA will help win hockey games.

So why pair a signing, which everyone has known for 10 days now was happening, with another transaction?

It just seems odd is all. It's now been not only 10 days, but now it's late in the day on the day they CAN officially sign him and it hasn't been announced, while other teams HAVE announced signings.
 

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While I get your point.......

No.

If TDA coming here was something they saw as an issue, or cared about as an issue, with the fans, they wouldn't do it. But this is a business and TDA will help win hockey games.

So why pair a signing, which everyone has known for 10 days now was happening, with another transaction?

It just seems odd is all. It's now been not only 10 days, but now it's late in the day on the day they CAN officially sign him and it hasn't been announced, while other teams HAVE announced signings.
It’s a trade not a signing.
 

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If we’re actually in on EK, I don’t know how I feel about both Burns and EK with the way we play. Then adding Tony. I think if we got him I would put Skjei in the trade, re sign Pesce and trade Burns.

Slavin/EK
Orlov/Pesce
Chat?/Tony

I know it’s less star power but having a RD of Burns/Ek/Tony gives me a little anxiety.
Burns is better than EK, what would be the point
 

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I get the anxiety about potentially having Burns and EK on the same roster again given that it wasn’t a rousing success in SJ the first go around.

I would argue that SJ didn’t have the same left side as we do to offset some of the defensive opportunities that the play making of Burns and EK provide.

a top 4 d pairing of some combo of slavin, Orlov, burns and EK does not on the surface provide that d focused pairing That is defacto pairing that plays the tought d matchup every night.

I would argue if we get EK in our top 4, we are going to lean on our third d pairing more to play some tough minutes as opposed to them being an also ran after thought that gets the easy matchups against fourth lines and always starts in the o zone…

I have shown before how we could bring in EK double retained and still able to fit one of Sjkei/Pesce on the third pair in an own rental situation and still be under the cap….

but from a strategic perspective, if we do land EK, I’m not convinced that TDA is an ideal add via trade for the third pair given the now makeup of the top 4…. Chatfield TDA as our third pairing is going to give us some trouble having that 3rd pair playing tough minutes…. If we still did it, we might have to look at an 11/7 roster a lot of nights as opposed to an 12/6 roster makeup I think and be more active on double shifting and mixing in some 2 d men line sets for the power play…

that I think is why we haven’t gone ahead and finished the trade even though it is now allowed…. The potential other moves need to be sorted out first…. Guess the canes weren’t thinking after the way the Meier thing went that they would still be one of the final teams in on the EK thing when they were trying to make moves pre July 1…. And especially now that Tarasenko pulled his diva move of firing his agent after he signed a deal before it could be filed with the league….

I would hate to lose Pesce From a fan perspective appreciating the value he brought to the team under his current contract. He was a good Cane and good human and good guy. You want good guys on your team. But he earned the right just like all the others did to decide what he wants for his next contract and I appreciate that the team doesn’t mess up our cap by caving to any demands that exceed what the leadership feels is what us needed to keep the team competitive. the team is sticking to their guns and so far it has worked and we aren’t in the mess Toronto is in where they gave out deals they shouldn’t have and now are cal squeezed and they have more players expecting the same thing … see Nylamder looking at Marner and Matthews and saying give me that if you want me to extend here…. It might be cool to give a nice going away present of a cup to these own rentals of Pesce and Sjkei but I understand their logic of thinking 4 years of a double retained EK is a better strategy than losing Pesce for nothing next year because they won’t do 8 years for Pesce….

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