HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #90: 2024-2025 season part III

[Scriptor]

I hope the team can somehow get good value from trading Newhook.

Just getting a late 2nd rounder back would be good value for Newhook, IMO.

He's just not all that and we would never recoup what we paid for him, not even the early 2nd round pick portion of what we paid for him, never mind the late 1st rounder.

 

[Scriptor]

Is Duchene even playing center for Dallas? They have so many guys listed as C. Guess you can always try, but he seems happy there and I'm not so optimistic about the habs chances in free agency, most players try to sign with contenders and with the new cap numbers there is enough money that the top teams can spend.

Duchene was signed for one year by DAL at only 3M! It's unclear whether they would be able to sign him to a two-year contract and for more money this time up. Montreal can afford to do both and overpay in salary. Term and money can definitely make a difference.

The cap going up in three consecutive seasons will surely help, but would DAL be willing to sign Duchene at 6M for two years this time around?

For Montreal, it is a short enough term and would not skew the current Cap maximum paid out by our GM.

There are no guarantees that Duchene would sign with Montreal, but the question is whether he would be a player worth pursuing to add a stop-gap at C while we continue to develop Hage and, perhaps, a C like Desnoyers if we were to select him at the 2025 draft?

You don't take 485 faceoffs in 53 games without playing center.

If you did, it would mean that the C on your line gets tossed 0ut of the dot way too often!

 

[vokiel]

If you did, it would mean that the C on your line gets tossed 0ut of the dot way too often!

3 to 4 times per period. There's some weird line configs where a winger could be taking the face-offs for his center also I suppose, but that's usually known weirdness. The amount of face-offs taken usually correlates the position for centers, specially when the top 3 in Dallas is Johnson, Duchene, then Hintz all Cs..

 

[yianik]

Well whatever the asking price is it sure has not been met or he would have been traded by now.If he had 1/2 the contract sure take a chance on him.Then again we are talking about the Sabres.They seem to have all the talent in the world for years but players don't seem to thrive there.

I've read they want a C with equivalent potential as Cozens, plus a good prospect. So WTH would anybody trade a C for the same potential as Cozens since you are no further ahead , unless it's a change of scenery deal. But why would you then ADD a good prospect ? If that's the ask then either the Sabres GM is stupid or he's hoping a stupid GM calls him.

 

[Weltschmerz]

Duchene was signed for one year by DAL at only 3M! It's unclear whether they would be able to sign him to a two-year contract and for more money this time up. Montreal can afford to do both and overpay in salary. Term and money can definitely make a difference.

The cap going up in three consecutive seasons will surely help, but would DAL be willing to sign Duchene at 6M for two years this time around?

For Montreal, it is a short enough term and would not skew the current Cap maximum paid out by our GM.

There are no guarantees that Duchene would sign with Montreal, but the question is whether he would be a player worth pursuing to add a stop-gap at C while we continue to develop Hage and, perhaps, a C like Desnoyers if we were to select him at the 2025 draft?


If you did, it would mean that the C on your line gets tossed 0ut of the dot way too often!

It's so low because he was bought out before I guess. And it's already his second contract with the stars like that, that's why I think he likes it there. He could have probably got more somewhere else. But agree habs have to try options like that. Miller would have been nice, wonder if habs were not interested or if he only would waive for New York?

 

[yianik]

Duchene was signed for one year by DAL at only 3M! It's unclear whether they would be able to sign him to a two-year contract and for more money this time up. Montreal can afford to do both and overpay in salary. Term and money can definitely make a difference.

The cap going up in three consecutive seasons will surely help, but would DAL be willing to sign Duchene at 6M for two years this time around?

For Montreal, it is a short enough term and would not skew the current Cap maximum paid out by our GM.

There are no guarantees that Duchene would sign with Montreal, but the question is whether he would be a player worth pursuing to add a stop-gap at C while we continue to develop Hage and, perhaps, a C like Desnoyers if we were to select him at the 2025 draft?


If you did, it would mean that the C on your line gets tossed 0ut of the dot way too often!

I have been looking at Duchene also. I agree AAV shouldn't be an issue and I'm thinking at max Duchene would be good with 3 year term. Would be a real good stop gap and he has the talent to play with talented wingers.

I just question that he will be available , but am surprised they haven't extended him yet

 

[eklund the clown]

Are we expecting this team to be a contender by bringing in a hoard of youngsters to fill out the ranks once all the so-called riff-raff is jettisoned?

Who will replace the entire bottom-6 once it is thrown out with the bath water?

I would not buy out Gallagher's contract and have contract residue around for four years. Easier to ride out his contract and Anderson's contract for only two more years. Anderson still has value in a bottom-6 role he has seemed to accept and he is a team player other players look up to.

Montreal, even with the addition of a veteran 2C and a top-4 RHD, plus the renewal of Hutson's contract after next year, as well as a potential renewal for Laine's contract at the same time (TBD, IMO),has enough Cap room -- once we don't renew Savard, Armia and Dvorak -- to ride out Anderson and Gallagher's contracts, even if Gallagher becomes the most expensive 13th forward in the league.

Cap will not be an issue before we sign Demidov to his 2nd NHL contract. By then, both Anderson and Gallagher's contracts (12M in Cap space) will be gone to address Demidov's contract extension and the rise in Cap ceiling should keep everyone else happy along the way.

I'd also keep Armia for two or three more years ifwnhe takes less money than the current 3.4M for longer term security and stability staying put in Montreal. Armia at 2.75M would be a Hab for three more years for me.

IMO, in his current role, at 2.75M (50% retained) Anderson would be worth something as early as next year's trade deadline.

I'd rather retain half a contract for the duration of the contract than buy out anyone over twice the term.

We never know how Cap strapped we will be in three or four years if we succeed in assembling talented depth throughout the lineup.

Evans, I'm neither here nor there about keeping him if we can get a late 1st round pick for him at the trade deadline.

However, I really don't think that, from a 'block a prospect' point of view, keeping Evans will be a hindrance if he signs at a reasonable cap hit (around 3M), even long term.

In the worst case scenario, Evans would remain a worthwhile trade asset down the line.

I didn't really mean to say to trade all of the players i mentioned but a package of some of them and maybe draft picks to get a top 1 or 2 C .We can't continue with basically the same team and hope to be in the mix next year. We don't need a 34 year old centre as a bandaid .Thats for teams in the playoff cup run to obtain .We need a younger guy to grow with this team.Reinbacher will be that top 4 RHD .We will not be trading for one in my opinion .Think Armia would resort back to his useless ways with that shiny new contract.Remember the guy we put on waivers and nobody wanted? Anyways nice to see a realistic conversation and fun times ahead .

 

[sampollock]

Curious on a Evans + Armia package we might need to retain on Joel but can both together return a 1st

I bet that KH wants a prospet + a 2nd

 

[Deebs]

I have been looking at Duchene also. I agree AAV shouldn't be an issue and I'm thinking at max Duchene would be good with 3 year term. Would be a real good stop gap and he has the talent to play with talented wingers.

I just question that he will be available , but am surprised they haven't extended him yet

I think because Dallas is an old team, they'll let Duchene walk. Him, Benn, Sequin, Dadanov, etc....all old and at the end of their life cycle. Dallas has all these young guys they'll need to start paying this season and beyond....Johnston, Stankoven, Robertson, Bourque etc. Changing of the guard in Big D.

 

[le_sean]

I’d give pretty much whatever other than Demidov for Dobson.

 

[Scriptor]

I didn't really mean to say to trade all of the players i mentioned but a package of some of them and maybe draft picks to get a top 1 or 2 C .We can't continue with basically the same team and hope to be in the mix next year. We don't need a 34 year old centre as a bandaid .Thats for teams in the playoff cup run to obtain .We need a younger guy to grow with this team.Reinbacher will be that top 4 RHD .We will not be trading for one in my opinion .Think Armia would resort back to his useless ways with that shiny new contract.Remember the guy we put on waivers and nobody wanted? Anyways nice to see a realistic conversation and fun times ahead .

Stop-gaps can be used for development as well, not just Cup runs.

We don't need to tank and better support for the kids right away and will help increase their confidence, rather than having another youngster in that position (2C) also looking to find his footing and lacking consistency.

 

[Ozmodiar]

Is Duchene even playing center for Dallas?

Yes

He’s not coming to Montreal. Dallas or back to Nashville where he’s going to retire.

 

[_vivelequebec_]

My offer for Dobson : Matheson, Mailloux, CGY 2025 1st, MTL 2026 2nd

 

[yianik]

I think because Dallas is an old team, they'll let Duchene walk. Him, Benn, Sequin, Dadanov, etc....all old and at the end of their life cycle. Dallas has all these young guys they'll need to start paying this season and beyond....Johnston, Stankoven, Robertson, Bourque etc. Changing of the guard in Big D.

Well that makes sense, and could be an option for us. I thought it was odd how he had a 25 goal, 65 point season and signed a 1 year deal for $3M. Great deal for Dallas.

Anyway, while I wish he was more rugged and physical , he brings a lot to the table and if we want to seed a couple more Cs with high potential into the system then he could tide us over until one of them is ready. And he won't hold us back.

 

[ReHabs]

Slafkovsky alone wouldn’t do it but maybe Slaf + Mailloux for Dobson would perk Lou’s ear

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

You don't take 485 faceoffs in 53 games without playing center.

Wingers who are good at faceoffs usually end up taking lots of the faceoffs on their strong side. Claude Giroux hasn't been a permanent centre in years and still ends up taking over 1,000 faceoffs. Another example would've been Andrew Shaw when he was with the Habs, he played on the wing yet still took 400+ faceoffs a year,

 

[Treb]

Is Duchene even playing center for Dallas? They have so many guys listed as C. Guess you can always try, but he seems happy there and I'm not so optimistic about the habs chances in free agency, most players try to sign with contenders and with the new cap numbers there is enough money that the top teams can spend.

Tied 2nd with Hintz for faceoffs, but lots of their guys take FO, 10 of them have 100+ FO (7 at 200+).

For reference, Montreal has 5 guys at 100+ (also 200+) and 3 guys over 600 while Dallas has none.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Islanders want a young top 6 scorer for Dobson.

So unless you are parting with Demidov, Caufield or Slafkovsky. You aren't getting him.

And I'm not giving any of them for Dobson.

 

[HabbyGuy]

And to think we could have got PLD for a sandwich. Did we miss the boat?

 

[Scriptor]

Slafkovsky alone wouldn’t do it but maybe Slaf + Mailloux for Dobson would perk Lou’s ear

I really don't know how much I would be willing to give up for Dobson, but I'd certainly like to have him in the Habs' lineup.

Definitely need an offensive D like Mailloux as part of the deal, IMO.

Beyond that, who or what would it take?

Maybe a bigger deal?

Bo Horvat + Noah Dobson

VS

Kirby Dach + Owen Beck + Logan Mailloux + Joshua Roy + Adam Engstrom + Calgary 2025 1st rounder

Caufield - Suzuki - Laine
Slafkovsky - Horvat - Demidov
Heineman - Evans - Anderson
F. Xhekaj - Davidson - Olivier (UFA)
Gallagher

Guhle - Dobson
Hutson - Reinbacher
Xhekaj - Carrier
Struble

We'd still have Hage in the system and whomever we choose with our own 1st round pick (which will be somewhere between 7th and 11th at the draft, before the lottery results. It could be Desnoyers or, even, Bear.

Islanders want a young top 6 scorer for Dobson.

So unless you are parting with Demidov, Caufield or Slafkovsky. You aren't getting him.

And I'm not giving any of them for Dobson.

Okay, so Kapanen it is, then.

 

[sampollock]

Islanders want a young top 6 scorer for Dobson.

So unless you are parting with Demidov, Caufield or Slafkovsky. You aren't getting him.

And I'm not giving any of them for Dobson.

I never seen a rumor on what they want?

 

[McGuires Corndog]

Slafkovsky alone wouldn’t do it but maybe Slaf + Mailloux for Dobson would perk Lou’s ear

I’d do that at this point.

It’s easier to find a winger than a Top 4 RD, and I value Caufield and Demidov a lot more than Slaf.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I never seen a rumor on what they want?

Report: Islanders Shopping Dobson, Considering Extension for Nelson

The Islanders are surging in the wildcard race, shifting to buyers. Brock Nelson stays, but Noah Dobson is on the trade block.

rg.org

Not the best source but it's not hard to put it together. They've lacked scoring punch forever.

 

[Scriptor]

Not really. A 2nd rounder can turn out like Lane Hutson right?

Not regularly, no.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Feel like we're going to get a Dach for Cozens trade soon. Possibly Dobson too.

Habs looking for expedited rebuild and ready to use their assets to get after it.