GDT: Let the Free Agency Madness begin

[Big Daddy Cane]

Where would he play? The lineup is full.

 

[SvechneJerk]

Trying as much as possible to take into account other teams' needs, while also attempting to not make moves that would both reduce any leverages in other moves & screw us up Cap-wise after this year, how about this...

TRADE 1: 3-way trade for Karlsson
SJ retains $2.5M
SJ receives:

Pesce (fills immediate RD need; can also flip at TDL for another 1st/other assets)​

2024 1st (CAR)​

CHICAGO retains $2.5M
CHICAGO receives:

Skjei (fills immediate LD need; can also flip at TDL for a 1st/other assets)​

Honka/Heimosalmi (fills RD need in their pipeline)​

CAROLINA receives:

Karlsson at $6.5M AAV​

TRADE 2
CALGARY receives:

Teravainen​

Suzuki​

Gunler​

*This assumes Lindholm's refusal to sign ext. w/ CGY. Intentionally didn't trade any American-born players, due to Calgary's recent issues with that.​

CAROLINA receives:

Lindholm​

TRADE 3 (*Could be broken into 2 separate trades, if needed)
PHILADELPHIA receives:

2023 2nd (PHI)​

2025 1st (CAR) or Morrow, if necessary​

Drury​

Kevin Wall​

CAROLINA receives:

Konecny​

TDA at $2.5M​

CAP SPACE AFTER MOVES - $1,570,583
Cap-wise, we can extend everyone, as needed, after next season without issue.

Svech-Aho-Konecny
Bunting-Lindholm-Necas
Noesen-KK-Jarvis
Martinook-Staal-Fast

Slavin-EK
Orlov-Burns
Chatfield-TDA

Andersen
Raanta

 

[MinJaBen]

Trying as much as possible to take into account other teams' needs, while also attempting to not make moves that would both reduce any leverages in other moves & screw us up Cap-wise after this year, how about this...

TRADE 1: 3-way trade for Karlsson
SJ retains $2.5M
SJ receives:

Pesce (fills immediate RD need; can also flip at TDL for another 1st/other assets)​

2024 1st (CAR)​

CHICAGO retains $2.5M
CHICAGO receives:

Skjei (fills immediate LD need; can also flip at TDL for a 1st/other assets)​

Honka/Heimosalmi (fills RD need in their pipeline)​

CAROLINA receives:

Karlsson at $6.5M AAV​

TRADE 2
CALGARY receives:

Teravainen​

Suzuki​

Gunler​

*This assumes Lindholm's refusal to sign ext. w/ CGY. Intentionally didn't trade any American-born players, due to Calgary's recent issues with that.​

CAROLINA receives:

Lindholm​

TRADE 3 (*Could be broken into 2 separate trades, if needed)
PHILADELPHIA receives:

2023 2nd (PHI)​

2025 1st (CAR) or Morrow, if necessary​

Drury​

Kevin Wall​

CAROLINA receives:

Konecny​

TDA at $2.5M​

CAP SPACE AFTER MOVES - $1,570,583
Cap-wise, we can extend everyone, as needed, after next season without issue.

Svech-Aho-Konecny
Bunting-Lindholm-Necas
Noesen-KK-Jarvis
Martinook-Staal-Fast

Slavin-EK
Orlov-Burns
Chatfield-TDA

Andersen
Raanta

I think both SJ and Chicago are going to want more futures to hold $2.5M dead cap for that amount of time. I think Calgary will get much better offers. Philly trade might be ok.

And besides all of that, will Skjei and Pesce waive to go to those two clubs?

 

[Francis10]

Maybe, maybe not. We don’t seem to do like the canes did years ago and take guys off the trash heap.

Either way, I suspect someone will claim him before we get a chance.

More so was meaning highly rated prospect that never really got a shot in Detroit. I’m fine with bigger game hunting.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

And besides all of that, will Skjei and Pesce waive to go to those two clubs?

So, Skjei has a 10-team no trade list. That list would've been submitted like 2 days ago.

Pesce, as far as I can tell on CapFriendly, has no trade protection and can be sent anywhere.

 

[MinJaBen]

So, Skjei has a 10-team no trade list. That list would've been submitted like 2 days ago.

Pesce, as far as I can tell on CapFriendly, has no trade protection and can be sent anywhere.

I know it doesn't show on cap friendly, but I could have sworn I heard he had trade protection that kicked in this July 1st for his last year.

 

[SvechneJerk]

I think both SJ and Chicago are going to want more futures to hold $2.5M dead cap for that amount of time. I think Calgary will get much better offers. Philly trade might be ok.

And besides all of that, will Skjei and Pesce waive to go to those two clubs?

I guess it depends on whether those clubs are on their NTC lists. I obviously have no idea.

Regarding SJ returns anyway, on last weeks podcast, Sheng Peng & his guest were both of the same mind that SJ isn't going to get a good return for EK, even with some retainage. I'll defer to their knowledge of that situation. Chicago, OTOH, we've got more pieces (picks/prospects) that we can add, if needed.

 

[A Star is Burns]

I know it doesn't show on cap friendly, but I could have sworn I heard he had trade protection that kicked in this July 1st for his last year.

As far as I recall, it's been pretty widely reported he had a 15 team clause that kicked in July 1. I was listening to the Ray and Dregs podcast this morning and I believe Dreger said SJ was a team he'd have to waive to go to, for additional context.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Here's the plan:

Go into the season with:

Slavin-Burns
Orlov-Karlsson
Skjei-Pesce
Chatfield

(Scrap the TDA piece)

Then, when Karlsson tears his groin in August, we still have Pesce as a RHD, Chatfield comes back in the lineup, and that way people don't complain that the front office didn't have a plan to shore up the D after trading Pesce and Skjei this offseason.

I know it doesn't show on cap friendly, but I could have sworn I heard he had trade protection that kicked in this July 1st for his last year.

Regardless, any Pesce (or Skjei, for that matter) trade likely is contingent upon extension with the new team, so that in and of itself is as close to a full NTC as it gets.

 

[DaveG]

In hindsight, I think we made the right choice between Zadina and Svechnikov.

I still remember the absolute bullshit that Montreal fans were giving as reasoning for us to take Zadina instead of Svech. "Oh, Zadina played with Necas at the WJC, they already have chemistry"

Yeah no, that's literally not worth a f***. Especially when (at the time) there's a clear BPA and Zadina isn't said clear BPA.

 

[spockBokk]

Rando Twitter guy says it’s true so it must be, maybe this is that guy’s source for Bertuzzi to CAR too…heh:

 

[dogbazinho]

Man if this is true we really are turning into Moscow west. Hope someone has KHL/SKA connections.

 

[Lempo]

It's gonna be pretty hardcore "Canes before country" for me if I gotta hope there's no war because of the rift it's bound to cause in the locker room.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

If the Canes can get Tarasenko to sign for a year, that may open the Canes to simply trading Skjei and Pesce for futures packages.

 

[HisIceness]

Zadina looked before he leapt with his "fill their Nets with pucks" comment.

 

[spockBokk]

Man if this is true we really are turning into Moscow west. Hope someone has KHL/SKA connections.

I highly doubt this guy knows anything, based in posting history, but I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the Canes are after Tarasenko.

If the Canes can get Tarasenko to sign for a year, that may open the Canes to simply trading Skjei and Pesce for futures packages.

If they get Tarasenko, I’d still want them to go after Lindholm, or as unpopular as he is on this board, Scheifele. They might be able to pull one of those trades off, with assets gained from Pesce or Skjei trades. (I’d think if Karlsson isn’t coming, which I don’t think he is, they’ll end up trading one of Pesce/Skjei and renting the other for a year)

 

[WreckingCrew]

Trying as much as possible to take into account other teams' needs, while also attempting to not make moves that would both reduce any leverages in other moves & screw us up Cap-wise after this year, how about this...

TRADE 1: 3-way trade for Karlsson
SJ retains $2.5M
SJ receives:

Pesce (fills immediate RD need; can also flip at TDL for another 1st/other assets)​

2024 1st (CAR)​

CHICAGO retains $2.5M
CHICAGO receives:

Skjei (fills immediate LD need; can also flip at TDL for a 1st/other assets)​

Honka/Heimosalmi (fills RD need in their pipeline)​

CAROLINA receives:

Karlsson at $6.5M AAV​

TRADE 2
CALGARY receives:

Teravainen​

Suzuki​

Gunler​

*This assumes Lindholm's refusal to sign ext. w/ CGY. Intentionally didn't trade any American-born players, due to Calgary's recent issues with that.​

CAROLINA receives:

Lindholm​

TRADE 3 (*Could be broken into 2 separate trades, if needed)
PHILADELPHIA receives:

2023 2nd (PHI)​

2025 1st (CAR) or Morrow, if necessary​

Drury​

Kevin Wall​

CAROLINA receives:

Konecny​

TDA at $2.5M​

CAP SPACE AFTER MOVES - $1,570,583
Cap-wise, we can extend everyone, as needed, after next season without issue.

Svech-Aho-Konecny
Bunting-Lindholm-Necas
Noesen-KK-Jarvis
Martinook-Staal-Fast

Slavin-EK
Orlov-Burns
Chatfield-TDA

Andersen
Raanta

Pesce + Skjei + 1st + one of our higher D prospects for $5M retention on EK? f*** THAT hell no...even retained they'd be lucky to get half those assets. $2.5M retention is probably worth 2nd/3rd at best.

Trade 2 is ok-ish

Trade 3 probably take out the 1st/Morrow and I'd be OK

 

[mikeyfan]

IMO, the best team to do a 3 way trade with SJ for EK would be the Ducks, I don't think Chicago would want to tie up the money for 4 years, Whereas the Ducks probably will want just a 2nd plus to retain.

 

[Brock Anton]

Pesce + Skjei + 1st + one of our higher D prospects for $5M retention on EK? f*** THAT hell no...even retained they'd be lucky to get half those assets. $2.5M retention is probably worth 2nd/3rd at best.

Trade 2 is ok-ish

Trade 3 probably take out the 1st/Morrow and I'd be OK

Getting Karlsson at $6.5M would cost a ton, especially if you're asking a third team to retain $2.5M for 4 years. You're not pullng that off by giving up pieces like Suzuki and mid round picks.

It's why doing a trade with only SJ (where they retain like $3M) is the more likely play.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

if we are trading these dudes for futures. just offer sheet Bouchard, please. so much better for our short and long term cap

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

if we are trading these dudes for futures. just offer sheet Bouchard, please. so much better for our short and long term cap

In all seriousness, though, Karlsson only has four seasons remaining. I would rather have that many seasons of elite play than 8 seasons of good-to-very good.

 

[SvechneJerk]

Getting Karlsson at $6.5M would cost a ton, especially if you're asking a third team to retain $2.5M for 4 years. You're not pullng that off by giving up pieces like Suzuki and mid round picks.

It's why doing a trade with only SJ (where they retain like $3M) is the more likely play.

I guess it’s a good thing that I didn’t have Suzuki or mid round picks in that Karlsson proposal, then.

 

[Brock Anton]

I guess it’s a good thing that I didn’t have Suzuki or mid round picks in that Karlsson proposal, then.

.... I was responding to the person who felt you were giving up too much. What you proposed is what I think is fairly close to what it would take to get 2 teams to retain $2.5M and let us have EK at $6.5M.

 

[SvechneJerk]

.... I was responding to the person who felt you were giving up too much. What you proposed is what I think is fairly close to what it would take to get 2 teams to retain $2.5M and let us have EK at $6.5M.

Ah, my mistake. Carry on.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

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In all seriousness, though, Karlsson only has four seasons remaining. I would rather have that many seasons of elite play than 8 seasons of good-to-very good.

That is assuming he stays elite (which isn’t likely) and he stays healthy (more unlikely).

EK’s AAV for us is to need to be 8 or under for it to make sense for us.

SJ’s best play is holding on for one more year, letting the cap rise, and try this again.