Proposal: Leon Draisaitl + Jesse Puljujarvi for Ivan Provorov + Anthony Stolarz

[Hockeypete49]

Oilers take an absolute beating in that original trade. Stolarz doesn't belong among those other names.

I agree. However like I said Provorov, Stolarz plus a pick for one of them I pass.

 

[Starat327]

I agree. However like I said Provorov, Stolarz plus a pick for one of them I pass.

I'm not sure I do Provorov alone for either. Less because of talent, and more because of a dire need of cheap young high potential blue liners. But both for provorov and stolie is a no brainer. At that point, hope between sanheim ghost and Morin we can make a competent top 3.

 

[Hockeypete49]

I think Provorov is going to be a player, but really how many defencemen under 25 do the Oilers need.

Adam Larsson, Darnell Nurse, Oscar Klefbom, Griffin Reinhart are already there and need to play, the last time I checked there's only 6 d positions (really 4 if you're any good).

I know the whole "Oilers need D" thing has been a mantra here, but it's becoming overkill at this point too.

After paying a hefty price of Taylor Hall for Larsson, they'd be stupid to gut more of their offence.

Provorov is better than the four you have listed, the kid is that good. He has spent years here in North America for a reason. Once Ron let's him on the club he will not act like a rookie. Nurse I am not sold on,I question his hockey IQ, Reinhart needs way more time in the minors. I do like Klefbom but Larsson is average at best( I still cannot believe how bad the oilers got hosed in that deal).

 

[Hockeypete49]

I'm not sure I do Provorov alone for either. Less because of talent, and more because of a dire need of cheap young high potential blue liners. But both for provorov and stolie is a no brainer. At that point, hope between sanheim ghost and Morin we can make a competent top 3.

I agree with you on the competent three. However Ivan along with Ghost will be leaders on this team very quickly and that is only one reason I am very hesitant to move him.

 

[stokes84]

Provorov is better than the four you have listed, the kid is that good. He has spent years here in North America for a reason. Once Ron let's him on the club he will not act like a rookie. Nurse I am not sold on,I question his hockey IQ, Reinhart needs way more time in the minors. I do like Klefbom but Larsson is average at best( I still cannot believe how bad the oilers got hosed in that deal).

No offense, but you must be pretty new to following prospects. For perspective, at the same age, Adam Larsson was a much more highly touted defenseman than what Provorov is today. So making these definitive statements about how good he is compared to other players with NHL experience shows that you are new.

 

[KevinRedkey]

Seriously, Leon Draisaitl , Jesse Puljujarvi for who?

You son't know who Provorov is?

It's a terrible deal for the Oilers, but 1 of PoolParty or Draisatl for Provorov wouldn't be far off. He's the best Dman prospect in the world.

 

[Curufinwe]

No offense, but you must be pretty new to following prospects. For perspective, at the same age, Adam Larsson was a much more highly touted defenseman than what Provorov is today.

That's not true.

 

[stokes84]

That's not true.

What's not true? Larsson was being compared to Lidstrom as a prospect and many people thought he would go no. 1.

 

[Homesick]

That's not true.

Oh yea it is. Hell, Cam Barker was more highly touted than Provorov

Future


Think of Red Wings great Nicklas Lidstrom, who just happens to be the guy that Larsson models his game after, when projecting what Larsson has the potential to become in the not-too-distant future. He has already signed with the Devils and will immediately compete for a job at the NHL level.


Read more at http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/adam_larsson/#TSP4kmmgz4WbcJDH.99

 

[Aceboogie]

You would have thought Philly fans would learn to temper expectations after they went thru jvr. Couturier was also the next great 1c and turned into a 3c. Provorov as a prospect is suddenly better than an established top pairing D? No. Just no. Calm your ****.

Provorov wouldn't even get draisaitl who is a proven nhl center. You'd be lucky to get Puljujarvi

 

[Curufinwe]

You would have thought Philly fans would learn to temper expectations after they went thru jvr. Couturier was also the next great 1c and turned into a 3c. Provorov as a prospect is suddenly better than an established top pairing D? No. Just no. Calm your ****.

Provorov wouldn't even get draisaitl who is a proven nhl center. You'd be lucky to get Puljujarvi

Yet another clueless post that ignores the fact Couturier just led his team that made the playoffs in 5 on 5 scoring per minute.

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...ters&minutes=200&disp=1&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC

 

[Curufinwe]

What's not true? Larsson was being compared to Lidstrom as a prospect and many people thought he would go no. 1.

But he didn't, and the draft wasn't nearly as deep at the top as the McDavid-Eichel draft.

 

[Roo Mad Bro]

You would have thought Philly fans would learn to temper expectations after they went thru jvr. Couturier was also the next great 1c and turned into a 3c. Provorov as a prospect is suddenly better than an established top pairing D? No. Just no. Calm your ****.

Provorov wouldn't even get draisaitl who is a proven nhl center. You'd be lucky to get Puljujarvi

This is rich coming from an Oilers fan.

Hey how's LaLeggia doing BTW? Remember when you were saying that he was as good as Gostisbehere? Fun times.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Provorov is better than the four you have listed, the kid is that good. He has spent years here in North America for a reason. Once Ron let's him on the club he will not act like a rookie. Nurse I am not sold on,I question his hockey IQ, Reinhart needs way more time in the minors. I do like Klefbom but Larsson is average at best( I still cannot believe how bad the oilers got hosed in that deal).

How many games have you actually watched of Provorov? The kid is a great prospect, but did nothing in the past year to raise his stock to the level of Larsson as a prospect. His value right now is comparable to Nurse's and Reinhart's one year post draft.

You have all of these criticisms for these other defensemen (that aren't even true, by the way).

I would wager that I have seen a lot more of Provorov than you have (as a WHL season ticket holder and having went to the Memorial Cup), and its amazing how Philly fans seem to have this opinion that Provorov is a guaranteed future Norris winner, how they see zero flaws in his game. He has a ton of skill and upside, but he isn't as good as you guys think. He has shown consistency issues, and all but disappeared in the Memorial Cup. In the playoffs he wasn't even his teams best defenseman. Kale Clague was better, and he is a year younger. So you can take your "Provorov is a better prospect than Larsson was" and get it out of here. Its re-writing history.

 

[Curufinwe]

Oh yea it is. Hell, Cam Barker was more highly touted than Provorov

http://thehockeywriters.com/ivan-provorov-a-russian-factor-in-the-2015-nhl-draft/

From my live viewing of Provorov, I noted his great stickwork and the use of his stick like a lightsabre on defense. He told me earlier this season he patterns his game after Niklas Lidstrom, but he is realistic about the potential comparison. When I’ve seen him he has been Lidstrom-esque.

 

[ManofSteel55]

This is rich coming from an Oilers fan.

Hey how's LaLeggia doing BTW? Remember when you were saying that he was as good as Gostisbehere? Fun times.

LeLeggia's doing fine, thanks for asking.

 

[Homesick]

Yet another clueless post that ignores the fact Couturier just led his team that made the playoffs in 5 on 5 scoring per minute.

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...ters&minutes=200&disp=1&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC

Still doesn't make him a franchise 1C

 

[Curufinwe]

Still doesn't make him a franchise 1C

That's OK, we already have one of those.

 

[Roo Mad Bro]

How many games have you actually watched of Provorov? The kid is a great prospect, but did nothing in the past year to raise his stock to the level of Larsson as a prospect. His value right now is comparable to Nurse's and Reinhart's one year post draft.

You have all of these criticisms for these other defensemen (that aren't even true, by the way).

I would wager that I have seen a lot more of Provorov than you have (as a WHL season ticket holder and having went to the Memorial Cup), and its amazing how Philly fans seem to have this opinion that Provorov is a guaranteed future Norris winner, how they see zero flaws in his game. He has a ton of skill and upside, but he isn't as good as you guys think. He has shown consistency issues, and all but disappeared in the Memorial Cup. In the playoffs he wasn't even his teams best defenseman. Kale Clague was better, and he is a year younger. So you can take your "Provorov is a better prospect than Larsson was" and get it out of here. Its re-writing history.

*********. Provorov is widely regarded as the best D prospect in the world and a top 10 prospect league wide. Prove that Reinhart (haha) and Nurse were ever on his level in D+1 season.

 

[ManofSteel55]

http://thehockeywriters.com/ivan-provorov-a-russian-factor-in-the-2015-nhl-draft/

First of all, "Lidstrom-esque" doesn't annoint him as a future superstar. Every NHL prospect gets an unfair style based comparison to a star NHL'er or Hall of Famer. Even the ones who bust. Remember Yakupov comparisons to Ovechkin? Yeah.

Second, who is this guy that you are quoting as the gospel? From my live viewings, I see a lot of potential, but Lidstrom isn't a guy I would compare Provorov to. Part of what makes Provorov so interesting as a prospect is that there isn't really a comparable player out there for him. He is very unique. Mark Giordano would be a close comparable for NHL players in terms of style. And I wouldn't say that Giordano and Lidstrom are overly comparable, Lidstrom was far better defensively.

 

[ManofSteel55]

*********. Provorov is widely regarded as the best D prospect in the world and a top 10 prospect league wide. Prove that Reinhart (haha) and Nurse were ever on his level in D+1 season.

Swear about it and throw a tantrum then. For the record, Provorov isn't the clear cut top defense prospect in the world, Werenski is right there too. Your fanbase has blown his potential completely overboard.

Prove that they weren't? Both Nurse and Reinhart were seen as future top pairing guys. Reinhart obviously has taken longer and his value has plummeted as a result. Nurse was the best player Canada had at the WJC's, he completely dominated. Provorov folded in the Memorial Cup. Now, I'm not even going to compare them truly, because I do believe that Provorov is more likely to reach his upside, but his value nor his potential aren't near what you guys think it is.

How many games have you watched him play in, for the record?

 

[stokes84]

http://thehockeywriters.com/ivan-provorov-a-russian-factor-in-the-2015-nhl-draft/

It's irritating that you keep forcing me to one up you. Anybody who knows anything about prospects knows that Larsson was more highly regarded.

http://sports.yahoo.com/juniorhockey/news?slug=ss-larsson100810

*********. Provorov is widely regarded as the best D prospect in the world and a top 10 prospect league wide. Prove that Reinhart (haha) and Nurse were ever on his level in D+1 season.

Are you serious? Timothy Liljegren has something to say about that. As does Zach Werenski. Noah Hanifin would also, but he's already crushing the NHL. Is he really better than Juolevi? Probably not. You guys are full force homering this thread and it's amazing.

 

[Homesick]

http://thehockeywriters.com/ivan-provorov-a-russian-factor-in-the-2015-nhl-draft/

I'll use your source to bring even more credibility to the statement that Larsson was a much more highly touted prospect than Provorov(no one ever considered IP as a top 3 pick)

Marty Brodeur see's Neidermayer
TSN
Hockey News

I could go on and on because its common knowledge to anyone following NHL prospects before 2012

Your move

 

[Z-Diddy]

But he didn't, and the draft wasn't nearly as deep at the top as the McDavid-Eichel draft.

eh, that can be debated, after 1-2 in 2015 versus the top 10 in 2011, the Conner hype is real.

1 Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
2 Gabriel Landeskog
3 Jonathan Huberdeau
4 Adam Larsson
5 Ryan Strome
6 Mika Zibanejad
7 Mark Scheifele
8 Sean Couturier
9 Dougie Hamilton
10 Jonas Brodin

1 Connor McDavid
2 Jack Eichel
3 Dylan Strome
4 Mitch Marner
5 Noah Hanifin
6 Pavel Zacha
7 Ivan Provorov
8 Zach Werenski
9 Timo Meier
10 Mikko Rantanen

 

[Roo Mad Bro]

Swear about it and throw a tantrum then. For the record, Provorov isn't the clear cut top defense prospect in the world, Werenski is right there too. Your fanbase has blown his potential completely overboard.

Prove that they weren't? Both Nurse and Reinhart were seen as future top pairing guys. Reinhart obviously has taken longer and his value has plummeted as a result. Nurse was the best player Canada had at the WJC's, he completely dominated. Provorov folded in the Memorial Cup. Now, I'm not even going to compare them truly, because I do believe that Provorov is more likely to reach his upside, but his value nor his potential aren't near what you guys think it is.

How many games have you watched him play in, for the record?

You stated draft + 1 season. The WJC that you're talking about was Nurse's D+2 season. Did either of those players win the CHL Dman of the year award in D+1 season?

And I have watched Provorov probably 15-20 or so times, including 1 in person last year with the Flyers in preseason.