David Bondra
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so a second/third line center who is 20 years old and a top-4 draft pick for an okay goalie and a prospect defenseman? No team would do that.
Proposal: Leon Draisaitl + Jesse Puljujarvi for Ivan Provorov + Anthony Stolarz
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This is a bad deal for the Oilers. Provy for one of them is close. Stolarz in not close anyone in this deal.
But there are also some uneducated people who should not give opinions.
Just because you don't recognize a former:
2nd round pick
WJC player
2 time Memorial Cup player
OHL top SV%
AHL All Star
....has nothing to do with that player or his value. It has to do with your knowledge. That's on you.
Again....no value for a goalie who has done the above and is only 22? Seriously, look at his progression. It's exactly what you would hope gifted from a goalie.
Is his value in the other 3 guys tier...nope...not close. To say he has no value, is ignorant.
But there are also some uneducated people who should not give opinions.
Just because you don't recognize a former:
2nd round pick
WJC player
2 time Memorial Cup player
OHL top SV%
AHL All Star
....has nothing to do with that player or his value. It has to do with your knowledge. That's on you.
Again....no value for a goalie who has done the above and is only 22? Seriously, look at his progression. It's exactly what you would hope gifted from a goalie.
Is his value in the other 3 guys tier...nope...not close. To say he has no value, is ignorant.
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It's actually pretty well thought out by the OP, except for overall value. Both teams able to trade positions of strength down the road for positions of need.
The NHL careers of these players will all be mysteries (despite Drai's hot start) but Stolarz is the biggest mystery, easily, due to his lower echelon of this crop of 4 players...plus the goalie factor of unpredictability.
The Flyers would certainly need to add to this.
The NHL careers of these players will all be mysteries (despite Drai's hot start) but Stolarz is the biggest mystery, easily, due to his lower echelon of this crop of 4 players...plus the goalie factor of unpredictability.
The Flyers would certainly need to add to this.
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David Bondra
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No doubt Provorov has what it takes to make the NHL, but Draisaitl has proven he can play in the NHL and Puljujarvi would have been a top-2 pick in most drafts.
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Edmonton shouldn't be trading either of them but if they were they'd be trading for RD.
Pulju fills a need for Oilers.
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Draisaitl has proven he can play in the NHL---> Obviously Who said he didn't or the deal was fair? Certainly not me.
The deal is bad for the Oilers as most will attest my point was you minimized the top defensive prospect in the world and hyped the other guy because he was a fourth pick.
CapInSask
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Oiler fans have such a narrow view sometimes. Provorov is the most valuable piece in this deal. Outside of maybe Mathews and Laine, he is the best prospect in the world. Now I'm not saying the entire deal favors the Flyers. I would actually probably decline if I'm the Oilers. BUT it's more so becuase Goalie prospects are so hit and miss. Drai and Pulju are potential 1st liners, but regardless of that, Provorov is still the most valuable piece in this deal. He is going to win a Norris Trophy at some point in his career.
Since we're so Narrowminded, how is provorov a guaranteed a norris trophy, while Drai and Pulju are potential first liners?
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To be fair. Provorov looks good in the regular season but his production and play drop off in the playoffs vs stiffer competition.
He really didn't look great his past 2 playoffs with Brandon. And against the teams in the memorial cup he was getting burnt a lot.
Draisaitl was dominant in the regular season and went beast mode in the playoffs in junior. He showed further improvement this NHL season as well.
we have only seen Pool Party play against people close to his age in the world juniors but was clearly dominant.
At this point I take Werenski over Provorov
FF de Mars
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Wasn't it what Chiarelli would have traded for Subban ? Poporov looks like a stud, but that's a steep price.
LeafingTheWay
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I don't think that's true at all. Like none at all. I'd take Werenski over Provorov. I'd take Draisatl over Provorov. I'd take Pulj over Provorov.
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They have a narrow view because you think Provorov is the most valuable player in the trade?
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Lmao. Love seeing Provorov now start to get his value lowered, after being the best dman in the CHL last season, just because hes a Flyers prospect.
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Is "being the best d-man in the CHL last season" your reason behind saying other opinions are lowering his value?
Did you think as highly of Anthony DeAngelo, Derrick Pouliot or Ryan Sproul, as examples?
LeafingTheWay
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What the lol. Provorov is great. Werenski and Provorov are arguable on who's better (I've always held Werenski higher and still do), but Draisatl and Pulj are both above in terms of value.
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A Philly fan talking to Oiler fans about having a players value lowered because he plays for a particular team...
A Philly fan talking to Oiler fans about having a players value lowered because he plays for a particular team...
Lol so damn true it's not even funny.
Oilers don't do this. Flyers, in spite of not really needing these pieces, do this because the value in these returning assets is way higher than what they are giving up. If Edmonton is putting Pulju and Drai on the trade block, they will get better offers elsewhere.
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Better be a top pairing RHD and RWer coming back. Pulju is expansion draft protected, further added value.
Drai being a big Centre who just put up over 50 points in his first full season playing in the heavy Pacific has value. Centre and D carry roughly similar value unlike wingers.
Neither are going anywhere, they are Chia type players. Big bodied, skilled guys with a huge role in our future. Pulju will be McDavids RWer down the road and Drai will be the 1-2 punch at Centre.
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