Post-Game Talk: Leafs win 3-2

[saltming]

No, the team did not play well on Friday. Their defensive zone coverage was horrible. That wasn't on Andersen. Even when they dominated for 6 minutes in the 2nd period, every time the puck was in their zone, it was handled like a live grenade.

Yes Andersen needs to be better. No, he didn't cost them the game on Friday night.

I love Andersen but he had a bad game. He was not tracking the puck as he usually does and he was out of position a lot which caused him to scramble. After the 2nd goal it was pretty clear he was not in the right head space.
I fully expect him to bounce back

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

People need to slow down on handing Campbell the keys to the kingdom.
He had what? 19 shots against? If anything, his toes got cold in that game. Hutchinson may have won that one.

He's 4-2-1 (105 point pace) starting for the Leafs with a 0.912 SV% since we picked him up. Not a bad sample.

I don't really care about the starting role, but I'd like to see him shoulder a lot more of the load. And as others have said, why can't we go with the hot hand? Let him have a couple of starts in a row see if there's any consistency in his play.

 

[Gallagbi]

the only reason Campbell didn't lit up even more last night was dues to the team playing better and limiting the chances against

It's funny because he actually had a few opportunities to fold in like we saw from Andy on Friday, but didn't.

hopefully Andy goes down for a few weeks so Campbell and Dell can take the reins , get filled in and then this nonsense about Campbell being a potential starter disappears like how Evegni Malgin/Carcone among others had upside when we obtained them . lol

And here I am hoping Andy regains his form or we find another goalie capable of starting because I question Campbell in that role. Then again, I'm crazy like that.

 

[Warden of the North]

He has been and many have claimed them "not his fault". These are exactly the type of goals Fred's allowed this year at a much higher frequency.

Campbell was "meh" last night and that's a huge upgrade over the goaltending we've got so far. Terrible, I know.

The "not his fault" thing is the problem. Its literally the goalies job to stop a certain percentage of goals that "arent his fault". The more of those he stops, the better the goalie is. You cant just shrug off every goal because there was a defensive breakdown in front of him.

 

[Nineteen67]

I for one, will miss playing the Florida Panthers and Carolina Hurricanes.

No. I really wont.

Why? They’re actually decent teams.
Would you rather watch Montreal play Ottawa 9 times or mix it up a little and play Carolina.
I get that they can’t do that and I think it’s going to get boring.

 

[Warden of the North]

Why? They’re actually decent teams.
Would you rather watch Montreal play Ottawa 9 times or mix it up a little and play Carolina.
I get that they can’t do that and I think it’s going to get boring.

I would rather watch Ottawa and Montreal over Carolina and Florida. Absolutely. I havent been excited by the Florida Panthers, ever.

 

[ToneDog]

I would rather watch Ottawa and Montreal over Carolina and Florida. Absolutely.

I would as well but not 9/10 times in 56 games.

 

[saltming]

The "not his fault" thing is the problem. Its literally the goalies job to stop a certain percentage of goals that "arent his fault". The more of those he stops, the better the goalie is. You cant just shrug off every goal because there was a defensive breakdown in front of him.

And what is Andersens career sv% and where does that rank him for active goalies?

 

[Gallagbi]

The "not his fault" thing is the problem. Its literally the goalies job to stop a certain percentage of goals that "arent his fault". The more of those he stops, the better the goalie is. You cant just shrug off every goal because there was a defensive breakdown in front of him.

Literally every shot comes from a breakdown of sorts. People shouldn't expect a perfect defensive game like they shouldn't expect a shutout every night. Andy's job is to stop the breakdowns, especially minor ones.

 

[Nineteen67]

I would as well but not 9/10 times in 56 games.

That’s exactly my point.

 

[hotpaws]

It's funny because he actually had a few opportunities to fold in like we saw from Andy on Friday, but didn't.


And here I am hoping Andy regains his form or we find another goalie capable of starting because I question Campbell in that role. Then again, I'm crazy like that.

yea i guess there's only so many breakaways he can stop on our pp before he folds up but please inform me which Fri night goal was soft ? or do they all fall under the the ever popular ''he needs to come up with a big save category'' ?

and your going to be disappointed since there's never been a goalie that can consistently stand on head to bail out a team that plays team D as poorly as we usually do

 

[Gallagbi]

yea i guess there's only so many breakaways he can stop on our pp before he folds up but please inform me which Fri night was soft ? or do they all fall under the the ever popular ''he needs to come up with a big save category'' ?

They all fall into the category that we saw from our backup last night, who let in fewer.

and your going to be disappointed since there's never been a goalie that can consistently stand on head to bail out a team that plays team D as poorly as we usually do

I'm looking for average to above average goaltending. Andy hasn't shown that in a while on a consistent basis.

 

[sittler rules!!!]

Needed that win. Huge response. Game still way closer than should've been. Outshot them 2:1.

Campbell was solid. I'd give him the next start.

Nice to see Matthews get his first.

Been really impressed with Matthews. Playing with a bit of an edge. JT though, looking slow and like he is fighting the puck......but that might be the new baby,LOL

 

[hotpaws]

The "not his fault" thing is the problem. Its literally the goalies job to stop a certain percentage of goals that "arent his fault". The more of those he stops, the better the goalie is. You cant just shrug off every goal because there was a defensive breakdown in front of him.

your a 100% right a goalie has stop a certain % of ''it's not his fault'' shots but the onus is on the team is to limit the number of ''it's not his fault'' shots

i'll put it this way , when Trotz went to the Islanders do you think they went from giving up the among the most goal in the league to the least just because the team got better goaltending ? or was it they played a style that limited the scoring chances they gave up ?

 

[hotpaws]

They all fall into the category that we saw from our backup last night, who let in fewer.


I'm looking for average to above average goaltending. Andy hasn't shown that in a while on a consistent basis.

so your saying we gave up as many scoring chances last night as we did Fri ? i guess you watched a different game than i did

and here's a thought , maybe Andy is looking for avg to above avg team D in front of him which i can't remember us being in a long long time

 

[Gallagbi]

so your saying we gave up as many scoring chances last night as we did Fri ? i guess you watched a different game than i did

I'm saying Fred's letting in a higher number of his chances against and the fact we're considering a .895 save% against a bad offensive team an upgrade is scary.

and here's a thought , maybe Andy is looking for avg to above avg team D in front of him which i can't remember us being in a long long time

What are the Leafs chances against over the past calendar year compared to the league? XGF? HDCA? Equal to his questionable stats against over that period? How's it compare to his time under Babs? Seems like the stronger we've gotten defensively by all measures the worse he's played

 

[IPS]

your a 100% right a goalie has stop a certain % of ''it's not his fault'' shots but the onus is on the team is to limit the number of ''it's not his fault'' shots

i'll put it this way , when Trotz went to the Islanders do you think they went from giving up the among the most goal in the league to the least just because the team got better goaltending ? or was it they played a style that limited the scoring chances they gave up ?

Both?

 

[BertCorbeau]

Andy has done well enough to warrant some rope to round into form. That being said given it's a short season, with lots of back to backs, Campbell should get his share of starts as well so that the season doesn't get away from the Leafs before Andy might round into form.

Having to play catch up in a 56 game season is a dangerous game.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

the first goal he was moving to his right , away from the center the net for some reason which left too much room

the second goal was a nice shot by Stuzle but Campbell was squared up to the shooter and the puck went right through him on the short side , that should have been a routine save

if Andy let in these goals he'd be getting ripped but since it's our new toy he gets a free pass

Funny how everyone seems to ignore how the leafs got out shot by the Sens in the first game and then went and out shot them 40 to 19 this game and act like goaltending was the big difference that game... lol

 

[hotpaws]

I'm saying Fred's letting in a higher number of his chances against and the fact we're considering a .895 save% against a bad offensive team an upgrade is scary.

What are the Leafs chances against over the past calendar year compared to the league? XGF? HDCA? Equal to his questionable stats against over that period? How's it compare to his time under Babs? Seems like the stronger we've gotten defensively by all measures the worse he's played

now it's a higher number of chances against , lol , fact is we gave up no where near the quality chances Sat night as we did Fri

i couldn't give a damn about these very flawed shot attempt stats nor how the team was with Babs but i do want to know the last time the Leafs played above avg team D l?

 

[The Podium]

Funny how everyone seems to ignore how the leafs got out shot by the Sens in the first game and then went and out shot them 40 to 19 this game and act like goaltending was the big difference that game... lol

Not that I’m defending their play on Friday because it honestly was putrid. But when you have confidence in your goaltending you are free to open things up and push offensively. If you’re worried that ever decent chance against will go in, you play more reserved and timid. Eventually that kind of play will hem you in your own end trying to clog the slot to insulate your goalie while pushing the play to the perimeter. More SA, but less HDSA in that type of hockey.

 

[Faltorvo]

Been really impressed with Matthews. Playing with a bit of an edge. JT though, looking slow and like he is fighting the puck......but that might be the new baby,LOL

JT leads the league in points and you are still btchining?

is this some kind of joke?

 

[Twowingcantfly]

Vesey looks better than Mikhaev, just saying.

It's possible Mikhaev isn't 100% yet. I observed same

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Funny how everyone seems to ignore how the leafs got out shot by the Sens in the first game and then went and out shot them 40 to 19 this game and act like goaltending was the big difference that game... lol

Part of that is Andersen gave up four rebound shots and Campbell gave up zero. They were also much better in the first Sens game until Andersen gave up a bunch of goals in 5 minutes

 

[Faltorvo]

Andy has done well enough to warrant some rope to round into form. That being said given it's a short season, with lots of back to backs, Campbell should get his share of starts as well so that the season doesn't get away from the Leafs before Andy might round into form.

Having to play catch up in a 56 game season is a dangerous game.

the rope bloody well be short for every player

every damn game is a 4 point game,,that's as big as it gets before POs games