Leafs starting line-up 24/25

[crump]

We know what the core top 4 forwards and vets are. To me the interesting thing will be what steps forward Knies, McMann and Robertson make. Will Knies turn into an elite power forward. Will McMann cement himself as a top 9 forward. Can Robertson add a defensive and board battle element to his game. How will Nylander adapt to centre. Can Pacioretty return to 20 goal form?

Knies. Matthews. Marner
Pacioretty . Nylander. Domi
Robertson. Tavares. McMann
Holmberg. Kampf. Jarnkrok

Dewar on IR to start I think. Reeves will no doubt get a chance with Berube if he can keep up.

 

[TMLAM34]

We know what the core top 4 forwards and vets are. To me the interesting thing will be what steps forward Knies, McMann and Robertson make. Will Knies turn into an elite power forward. Will McMann cement himself as a top 9 forward. Can Robertson add a defensive and board battle element to his game. How will Nylander adapt to centre. Can Pacioretty return to 20 goal form?

Knies. Matthews. Marner
Pacioretty . Nylander. Domi
Robertson. Tavares. McMann
Holmberg. Kampf. Jarnkrok

Dewar on IR to start I think. Reeves will no doubt get a chance with Berube if he can keep up.

That’s how I can see the line up starting with Dewar and Minten injured.

Not a huge fan of the idea of Nylander and Domi on the same line. Also not a big fan of Matthews and Marner playing together, I’d rather split those two up to help our depth scoring.

 

[thusk]

Do you seriously think Tavares will turn back time to repeat his best ever season, which was six years ago when he was playing 1C? Least year he managed only 29 goals, and only 65 points while playing with one of the best wingers in the league, who ended up with 40 goals and 98 points. For perspective, JT has fewer assists than Willy had goals, while Willy had twice as many assists as JT had goals. JT hit 40 once, six years ago, while Willy has done it the past two years in a row.

It looks like the preseason will start with Marner with Matthews, Domi with Nylander, and JT at 3C.

All you said here are just bullshit

Nylander 5v5 pts last year
22 goal and 23 assist

Jt 5v5 pts last year
15 goal 20 assist

Nylander had 2 goal more than jt assist not a big deal to really talk abou5

15 × 2 = 30 and not 23

Nylander should have received more because he got his contract despite playing with a fading player, Tavares cost him that contract.

Matthews got his worst production at 5v5 on season he played the most with Nylander...That's why Nylander don't play a lot with Matthews,

amd sorry outside of matthews, nobody in leafs line up could be better to help nylander last couple of years to producing at higher rate at 5v5...

 

[notDatsyuk]

Learn how to read, read what I replied to, then try again.

Learn how to read, read what I replied to, then try again.

 

[notDatsyuk]

All you said here are just bullshit

Nylander 5v5 pts last year
22 goal and 23 assist

Jt 5v5 pts last year
15 goal 20 assist

Nylander had 2 goal more than jt assist not a big deal to really talk abou5

15 × 2 = 30 and not 23




Matthews got his worst production at 5v5 on season he played the most with Nylander...That's why Nylander don't play a lot with Matthews,

amd sorry outside of matthews, nobody in leafs line up could be better to help nylander last couple of years to producing at higher rate at 5v5...

As usual, you have to go to a smaller sample size and different types of stats to vainly try to refute something correct that I posted.

Try to actually respond to what I actually wrote (or better yet, don't bother).

 

[arso40]

All you said here are just bullshit

Nylander 5v5 pts last year
22 goal and 23 assist

Jt 5v5 pts last year
15 goal 20 assist

Nylander had 2 goal more than jt assist not a big deal to really talk abou5

15 × 2 = 30 and not 23




Matthews got his worst production at 5v5 on season he played the most with Nylander...That's why Nylander don't play a lot with Matthews,

amd sorry outside of matthews, nobody in leafs line up could be better to help nylander last couple of years to producing at higher rate at 5v5...

what????whered you come up with that we all see before he started playing with willy him and marner were terrible so how his 5 on 5 play with willy is the worst literally makes no sense

 

[seanlinden]

If they're committed to Nylander at C, call me crazy, but I'd make Marner his winger.

Do something like:
Knies-Matthews-Domi
Jarnkrok-Nylander-Marner
Pacioretty-Tavares-McMann
Robertson/Cowan-Kampf-Holmberg

 

[tmlfan98]

Decided to make a new post instead of updated the old one after day 1 of training camp. The 23-man opening night roster below would have 105k in cap space assuming Pacioretty and Lorentz both come in at league minimum:

Pacioretty-Matthews-Marner
Domi-Nylander-Cowan
Knies-Tavares-McMann
Lorentz-Kampf-Jarnkrok
Extra: Robertson+Holmberg

Rielly-Tanev
McCabe-Hakanpaa
OEL-Liljegren
Extra: Benoit

Woll
Stolarz

Cap casualties: Dewar (trade) and Reaves (trade)

The bolded forward pairs are what I'm guessing Berube is going to want to stick with in camp for some level of line continuity. Players who are underlined alongside my projected scratches are the guys who I think the scratches will be looking to supplant to get back in the lineup.

 

[diceman934]

In any Marner/Nylander debate it seems that posters have to use selected stats going back several years to prove that Marner is the better player now.

Lol nope Marner is clearly the better player. Points per game. 5 on5 goals for and against, playoff total points. Regular season total points. And the list goes on and on

Why would I want to use a bigger sample size as I was referencing this year.

You don't find it unusual that this year the stats were different?

Playoffs 5 on 5 one is a minus player the other a plus player and it is not Nylander.

 

[ULF_55]

Lol nope Marner is clearly the better player. Points per game. 5 on5 goals for and against, playoff total points. Regular season total points. And the list goes on and on


Playoffs 5 on 5 one is a minus player the other a plus player and it is not Nylander.

marner is a great setup man.

But my question was how come his stats were different this year?
He normally has more blocks.
Everyone is so focused on defending their favorite they get blinded by the protection glare.

Did he change his focus because Matthews was missing?
Was he leaning more to the offense?
Blocking shots is getting in the lanes.
Was he avoiding the lanes?

This is an outlier, for a reason?

 

[notbias]

marner is a great setup man.

But my question was how come his stats were different this year?
He normally has more blocks.
Everyone is so focused on defending their favorite they get blinded by the protection glare.


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Did he change his focus because Matthews was missing?
Was he leaning more to the offense?
Blocking shots is getting in the lanes.
Was he avoiding the lanes?

This is an outlier, for a reason?

Players have down seasons... it happens.

A 7 game sample size to call someone out is... interesting.

Draisaitl had 0 goals in his last 7 games, the new normal for him?

 

[HeroNtF]

Long time no chat, excited again for the season to start, figured I'd throw out my wild card.

Knies - Matthews - Marner
Domi - Nylander - Nylander
Patch - Tavares - Robertson
This - Needs - Work

Lots of options for 4th, and I think it'll be a blend of best player, physicality, and defensive ability, and if you don't hit you get barrier or traded.

 

[leaffann]

Do you seriously think Tavares will turn back time to repeat his best ever season, which was six years ago when he was playing 1C? Least year he managed only 29 goals, and only 65 points while playing with one of the best wingers in the league, who ended up with 40 goals and 98 points. For perspective, JT has fewer assists than Willy had goals, while Willy had twice as many assists as JT had goals. JT hit 40 once, six years ago, while Willy has done it the past two years in a row.

It looks like the preseason will start with Marner with Matthews, Domi with Nylander, and JT at 3C.

Yes I have followed Tavares his entire career, he fancies himself as a playmaker. Tavares is decent in that regard though he is no Crosby, particularly as it relates to skating, what Tavares has always been is a goal scorer last season 29 previous season 36 not playing with Marner. He would score 40 with Marner I stand by that belief, yes Tavares is an older vet but he is not washed up.

 

[leaffann]

If you are keeping Cowan around, that deployment just feels like a total waste to me. I’m also not sold on Holmberg as 3c at all unless he takes a big step this

If you are keeping Cowan around, that deployment just feels like a total waste to me. I’m also not sold on Holmberg as 3c at all unless he takes a big step this year.

Matthews, Tavares & Holmberg vs Mc David, Draisaitl & Henrique as your top 3 centers. Or Matthews, Nylander & Tavares vs McDavid, Draisaitl & Henrique. I will go with the latter with Nylander at C, though I think Marner would excel at C though faceoffs would be a challenge for him.

 

[ULF_55]

Players have down seasons... it happens.

A 7 game sample size to call someone out is... interesting.

Draisaitl had 0 goals in his last 7 games, the new normal for him?

If Matthews came out of a 7 games series with 7 shots on net would we ask why?

 

[Janne Niinimaa]

Matthew Knies - Auston Matthews - Max Domi
Bobby McMann - William Nylander - Mitch Marner
Max Pacioretty - John Tavares - Nick Robertson
Connor Dewar(IR?) - David Kampf - Calle Jarnkrok
* Pontus Holmberg & Steven Lorentz

Morgan Rielly - Chris Tanev
Jake McCabe - Timothy Liljegren
Oliver Ekman-Larsson - Jani Hakaanpa
* Simon Benoit

Anthony Stolarz
Joseph Woll

Reaves and Timmins out somehow.

 

[Edgelord]

As a Leaf fan its nice to have a camp with this many moving pieces and potential lineups
My if everything goes great in camp roster is
Knies-Matthews-Marner
Domi-Nylander-Nylander
Patches-Tavares-Jarnkrok
McMann-Kampf-Cowan
Reaves
Rielly-Tanev
McCabe-Lilj
OEL-Hakanpaa
Benoit

We can do it if Nylander and Patches both sign at 875k, Dewar gets waived, Holmberg goes down and Robertson is traded

 

[arso40]

Yes I have followed Tavares his entire career, he fancies himself as a playmaker. Tavares is decent in that regard though he is no Crosby, particularly as it relates to skating, what Tavares has always been is a goal scorer last season 29 previous season 36 not playing with Marner. He would score 40 with Marner I stand by that belief, yes Tavares is an older vet but he is not washed up.

curious what the stats were when marner and tavares were on the same line this past year cause the eye test told me that it didnt really work no one was driving that line

 

[notDatsyuk]

Yes I have followed Tavares his entire career, he fancies himself as a playmaker. Tavares is decent in that regard though he is no Crosby, particularly as it relates to skating, what Tavares has always been is a goal scorer last season 29 previous season 36 not playing with Marner. He would score 40 with Marner I stand by that belief, yes Tavares is an older vet but he is not washed up.

You have followed him his entire career and haven't noticed the decline the last couple of years?

 

[Dreakmur]

Matthew Knies - Auston Matthews - Mitch Marner
Max Domi - William Nylander - Calle Jarnkrok
Easton Cowan - John Tavares - Bobby McMann
Pontus Holmberg - David Kampf - Nikita Grebyonkin
Ryan Reaves

Morgan Rielly - Chris Tanev
Oliver Ekman - Timothy Liljegren
Simon Benoit - Jake McCabe
Jani Hakanpaa

 

[TMLAM34]

Knies - Matthews - Domi
Pacioretty - Nylander - Cowan
Robertson - Tavares - Marner
McMann - Kampf - Jarnkrok

Rielly - Tanev
OEL - McCabe
Benoit - Liljegren

Woll - Stolarz

 

[Old Duffer]

Berube says Nylander will start at center with Domi on his wing.

Knies-Matthews-Marner
Domi-Nylander-Pacioretty
McMann-Tavares-Robertson
Holmberg-Kampf-Reaves

Out of many options which people are throwing up here - I like this one the best. It does need the 2nd line to really gel well, and that 3rd line - could be great fun, esp if McMann can do some heavy forechecking.
Two comments tho' - I'd sub in Dewar for Reaves and only use Reaves sparingly.
Second, I'm not sure this is Cap compliant. I can see there's no Jarnkrok here. So, perhaps that gives us $2.1m to get Pacioretty signed. And we'd still need to send Timmins to Marlies.

 

[leaffann]

curious what the stats were when marner and tavares were on the same line this past year cause the eye test told me that it didnt really work no one was driving that line

Agreed they did looked out of sync, maybe the result of Marner being a little pouty not playing with Matthews ? When Marner is engaged to play he is star, should that matter whom he plays with didn't matter previously playing with Tavares.

 

[thusk]

You have followed him his entire career and haven't noticed the decline the last couple of years?

lets see 5v5 pts by tavares at 5v5 since 2010

2010-2011 16 goal 22 assist
2011-2012 19 goal 29 assist
2013-2014 16 goal 21 assist
2014-2015 22 goal 25 assist
2015-2016 22 goal 23 assist
2016-2017 15 goal 21 assist
2017-2018 18 goal 21 assist
2018-2019 33 goal 27 assist
2019-2020 13 goal 16 assist ( 63 gm)
2020-2021 11 goal 19 assist (56 gm)
2021-2022 15 goal 24 assist
2022-2023 16 goal 21 assist
2023-2024 15 goal 20 assist

Decline is really a big word right hereq

 

[Mess]

Knies-Matthews-McMann
Domi-Nylander-Jarnkrok
Pacioretty-Tavares-Grebenkin
Reaves-Kampf-Marner