Confirmed with Link: Leafs sign F Auston Matthews to extension (4 years, $13.25M AAV)

[Legion34]

You've using McDavid's cap percentage at time of signing. You're using Matthews cap percentage at time of his contract beginning. Your spin means nothing. Absolutely nothing. And it's fooling nobody. Every single solitary person reading this knows that you're manipulating the stats to push a narrative.

Choose one or the other. Time of signing. Or time of contract beginning. That's what a non-propagandist would do.

Also, even if we use your fake manipulative number, we'd have Matthews at 12 mil the next 4 seasons if he signed at 8 years. Not 13.25

Except that’s not what I am doing.

When comparing Matthews and Mcdavids Original contracts.

Mcdavid signed at 16.67 of the cap 100 over 8 years

Combining his 2 contacts Matthews took 111.17 over 9 yeas when the cap was announced at a MINIMUM of
81.5

So far both signed their elcs
Mcdavid took 100/8 for 16.67
Matthews took 111.17/9 for 15.15

There is nothing to dispute.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Except that’s not what I am doing.

When comparing Matthews and Mcdavids Original contracts.

Mcdavid signed at 16.67 of the cap 100 over 8 years

Combining his 2 contacts Matthews took 111.17 over 9 yeas when the cap was announced at a MINIMUM of
81.5

So far both signed their elcs
Mcdavid took 100/8 for 16.67
Matthews took 111.17/9 for 15.15

There is nothing to dispute.

If you’re doing time of contract beginning (as opposed to what it says on capfriendly) for Matthews, you need to do that as well with McDavid.

Which brings McDavids cap% at 15.7%

You’re picking and choosing and being intentionally manipulative.

 

[Legion34]

Everything you just wrote doesn't matter.

The FACT is that Pastrnak (who has a better career high season than Matthews in goals and points) could have demanded a higher aav than 11 mil at 4 years. He didn't do that though. He chose the non-selfish route. Ditto Mack. They both compromised for a deal that works for them as well as the team.

Matthews doing this 4 year nonsense is looking out for JUST himself. Nothing in return for the team. Pasta and Mack could have done the same. They're just less selfish.

Pasta didn’t win a cup.

So does the cup matter or not?

 

[Legion34]

If you’re doing time of contract beginning (as opposed to what it says on capfriendly) for Matthews, you need to do that as well with McDavid.

Which brings McDavids cap% at 15.7%

You’re picking and choosing and being intentionally manipulative.

Again……. I am using the OFFICIALLY announced projections when both signed.

That’s what we know. But fine. Go the other way

Matthews took 12.35x 9 on a 79.5 cap…. Completely ignoring reality (which yoh like to do) that the cap had been announced as a minimum of 81.5 and projected at 83.5

Cap At the time of the original signing
Matthews took 15.5% of the cap for 9 years
Mcdavid took. 16.7% of the cap for 8 years

Matthews gave the leafs a discount on cap % when times were tight AND gave them an extra year.

And signed again for less than what Mcdavid signed for on % despite having MORE headwear playoff appearances at the time he signed.

This actually seems like a great deal

All the people who wanted an 8 year deal for less than Mcdavid got a 9 year dea for less than Mcdavid

You should be thrilled

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Pasta didn’t win a cup.

So does the cup matter or not?

Matthews deserves a bit more than Pasternak imo. Not (lol) 2 mil aav more for half the term. But more.

 

[nuck]

Tavares did. He took 2 million less per year.

People generally don’t take discounts.

People Pretend no tax team players do. They don’t. They take the same take home pay and the government takes less from the team.

But taking less than one absolutely outrageous offer from a desperate team at the end of their window isn't really taking a discount. Stamkos took a discount and if JT signed for even $1M-$1.5M more than him there might be that argument. The tax rates are 14% apart but the salaries are 29% apart.

I think we are assuming that the club thought this was the minimum required to sign JT. If they had offered $10M do we know he wouldn't have taken it? IIRC the Isles also offered $11M so maybe it wasn't the Sharks they were truly bidding against but the old club. I guess we will never know if KD was hoodwinked by Brisson but this is the agent who got Crosby, Kane, Kopitar and Toews their monster deals. Not good matchup for a rookie GM to play poker with.

JT "I want to go home Pat". Brisson "Leave everything to me" I don't think Tavares was ever personally asked by the team to take a specific number. He was on a beach somewhere while his agent was sinking his teeth into Kyle's gunnions. Its ancient history now anyways. With slightly smaller deals for the big 3 and the expected cap growth it plays out much differently. Time to let it go.

 

[Legion34]

But taking less than one absolutely outrageous offer from a desperate team at the end of their window isn't really taking a discount. Stamkos took a discount and if JT signed for even $1M-$1.5M more than him there might be that argument. The tax rates are 14% apart but the salaries are 29% apart.

I think we are assuming that the club thought this was the minimum required to sign JT. If they had offered $10M do we know he wouldn't have taken it? IIRC the Isles also offered $11M so maybe it wasn't the Sharks they were truly bidding against but the old club. I guess we will never know if KD was hoodwinked by Brisson but this is the agent who got Crosby, Kane, Kopitar and Toews their monster deals. Not good matchup for a rookie GM to play poker with.

JT "I want to go home Pat". Brisson "Leave everything to me" I don't think Tavares was ever personally asked by the team to take a specific number. He was on a beach somewhere while his agent was sinking his teeth into Kyle's gunnions. Its ancient history now anyways. With slightly smaller deals for the big 3 and the expected cap growth it plays out much differently. Time to let it go.

??? Taking less then. Yon are offered is literally a discount. What could you possibly mean?

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Again……. I am using the OFFICIALLY announced projections when both signed.

That’s what we know. But fine. Go the other way

Matthews took 12.35x 9 on a 79.5 cap…. Completely ignoring reality (which yoh like to do) that the cap had been announced as a minimum of 81.5 and projected at 83.5

Cap At the time of the original signing
Matthews took 15.5% of the cap for 9 years
Mcdavid took. 16.7% of the cap for 8 years

Matthews gave the leafs a discount on cap % when times were tight AND gave them an extra year.

And signed again for less than what Mcdavid signed for on % despite having MORE headwear playoff appearances at the time he signed.

This actually seems like a great deal

All the people who wanted an 8 year deal for less than Mcdavid got a 9 year dea for less than Mcdavid

You should be thrilled

So this is priceless.

We ignore what capfriendly says and use different numbers entirely. But ONLY for Matthews, ,not McDavid. Lol, everyone knew the cap would go up like crazy by 2018 because of Vegas. But it "doesn't count" for McDavid's cap percentage. We can only do that with Matthews.

That is unquestionably nonsense. Lol, in early 2020 the projected cap for 2020-21 season was 84-88 mil. So anybody that signed in early 2020 has a cap percentage based on 84-88 projection and not the reality of what the cap ended up being? Do you have any idea how insane that sounds?

This is too much.

 

[Legion34]

So this is priceless.

We ignore what capfriendly says and use different numbers entirely. But ONLY for Matthews, ,not McDavid. Lol, everyone knew the cap would go up like crazy by 2018 because of Vegas. But it "doesn't count" for McDavid's cap percentage. We can only do that with Matthews.

That is unquestionably nonsense. Lol, in early 2020 the projected cap for 2020-21 season was 84-88 mil. So anybody that signed in early 2020 has a cap percentage based on 84-88 projection and not the reality of what the cap ended up being? Do you have any idea how insane that sounds?

This is too much.

Soooo eve

So this is priceless.

We ignore what capfriendly says and use different numbers entirely. But ONLY for Matthews, ,not McDavid. Lol, everyone knew the cap would go up like crazy by 2018 because of Vegas. But it "doesn't count" for McDavid's cap percentage. We can only do that with Matthews.

That is unquestionably nonsense. Lol, in early 2020 the projected cap for 2020-21 season was 84-88 mil. So anybody that signed in early 2020 has a cap percentage based on 84-88 projection and not the reality of what the cap ended up being? Do you have any idea how insane that sounds?

This is too much.

So again. 9 years of Matthews at 1.3% less
Than macdavid at 8years

With the cap hit split is a win right?

You wanted 8. You got 9

Be happy

 

[ACC1224]

But taking less than one absolutely outrageous offer from a desperate team at the end of their window isn't really taking a discount. Stamkos took a discount and if JT signed for even $1M-$1.5M more than him there might be that argument. The tax rates are 14% apart but the salaries are 29% apart.

I think we are assuming that the club thought this was the minimum required to sign JT. If they had offered $10M do we know he wouldn't have taken it? IIRC the Isles also offered $11M so maybe it wasn't the Sharks they were truly bidding against but the old club. I guess we will never know if KD was hoodwinked by Brisson but this is the agent who got Crosby, Kane, Kopitar and Toews their monster deals. Not good matchup for a rookie GM to play poker with.

JT "I want to go home Pat". Brisson "Leave everything to me" I don't think Tavares was ever personally asked by the team to take a specific number. He was on a beach somewhere while his agent was sinking his teeth into Kyle's gunnions. Its ancient history now anyways. With slightly smaller deals for the big 3 and the expected cap growth it plays out much differently. Time to let it go.

The San Jose offer, IMO always seemed a bit sketchy. Seemed to me that info was released as a favour to make the Leaf offer look that much better.

 

[PromisedLand]

Tavares did. He took 2 million less per year.

People generally don’t take discounts.

People Pretend no tax team players do. They don’t. They take the same take home pay and the government takes less from the team.

Matthews and Marner both earn approx 3M to 4M on avg per year in off-ice earnings b/c they are Leafs. Only 2 other players are in that conversation McJesus and Ovi. Every other NHL player earns less than 1M in off-ice earnings.

That 3M-4M could jump to 4M to 5M per year that is about 12 to 15M in extra earnings only b/c they are Leafs. Why is that not part of the conversation if it is only about "take home pay" per annum due to one being a hockey player?

 

[nuck]

??? Taking less then. Yon are offered is literally a discount. What could you possibly mean?

I guess if you mean any time that you don't go solely for the top dollar then its a discount then sure. To me if he didn't want to play for that club, then what they offered doesn't really matter. He didn't take less for the Leaf's benefit (giving them a discount), he just took the best deal he could get from the place he actually wanted to go. One is doing the team a favor to make it more competitive and the other is just not accepting an offer to go to a place where you have no interest in playing. His agent may have even pushed him toward SJ just to drive up the bidding.

If Lou really offered $11M but JT signs in TO for $10M its different thing. We know he had strong connections in NY and it was a tough decision. But that never happened.

 

[Maple Leaf]

But the memories are priceless

 

[ACC1224]

Man, the poll on the main board is priceless.
Deep thinkers voting he would make significantly less if he went UFA.

 

[Dekes For Days]

The San Jose offer, IMO always seemed a bit sketchy. Seemed to me that info was released as a favour to make the Leaf offer look that much better.

What a weird conspiracy theory. Not sure why San Jose would do the Leafs a "favour".

 

[Peasy]

Man, the poll on the main board is priceless.
Deep thinkers voting he would make significantly less if he went UFA.

Its always easy to predict whats in a hf leaf mainboard thread.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Soooo eve


So again. 9 years of Matthews at 1.3% less
Than macdavid at 8years

With the cap hit split is a win right?

You wanted 8. You got 9

Be happy

At that cap percentage at time of signing for 8 years, Matthews is worth 12 mil. I’d prefer that for 4 more years than 13.2

But Dubas screwed that up.

 

[Legion34]

At that cap percentage at time of signing for 8 years, Matthews is worth 12 mil. I’d prefer that for 4 more years than 13.2

But Dubas screwed that up.

Ok. Dubas Time Machine.

What was Matthews worth on an 8 year deal coming out of his ELC?

 

[Zur En Arrh]

At least now all the typical trolls who think he’s gonna run away to Arizona won’t have any incentive to do so anymore since Matthews’ prime years will all be with the Leafs

They are shook on the mains. The cope is not going well. " not a 100 point player" check. " hasn't won a play-off round" check. Will never win a hart" check. " the toronto media voted for his hart, hours later wins the Lindsay" check. " he's not an actual 50 goal scorer" check. " he's bolting first chance he gets" check.

Get f***ing wrecked mains.. Here's a dx chop for you and here's one for you, you in the back, here ya go, dx chop..

suck it mains!!!!

 

[ACC1224]

Its always easy to predict whats in a hf leaf mainboard thread.

It's like the nerdy kid in grade school pulling the pretty girls pigtails.
They want their attention so bad and the only way they can get it is by being an idiot.

 

[Zur En Arrh]

just making sure we are the least likeable team in the league...

at least it aligns with our fanbase.

Dude we could be handing out weed and million dollar checks and everyone would still hate us.

 

[Zur En Arrh]

You know that McDavid got SEVENTY more points than Matthews last year, right?

Sure, nearly dying carrying drai on his back up a mountain of frozen dogshit and ended up exactly where we did anyways...

 

[Zur En Arrh]

McDavid and Matthews aren't comparables.

You're right. One is elite defensively and the other stands at the apposing blue line all game...

 

[Gary Nylund]

Pasta stuck to his number. It took most of the season and Pasta putting up crazy numbers for the Bruins to soften and meet that number. Here we pay a star who disappears in big games, coming off a sub par 85 point season $2m more than a player coming off a 60+ goals and 113 points season.

What makes it worse is also paying a declining Tavares $11m and a goal challenged, playoff midget 10.893m.

You can sell all the jerseys you want but these guys are not getting it done. Matty can say all the right things but when it comes time to man up, he shits the bed every time.

Hard to argue with any of this. But as someone said a few days ago, we're damned if we do and damned if we don't and with that in mind, I'll say that signing Matthews to this deal is infinitely better than him walking next summer. Hard to believe these guys will ever figure it out, especially Marner but on paper, we're still one of the best teams in the league so whatever, we'll see what happens.

Matthews gave the leafs a discount on cap % when times were tight AND gave them an extra year.

LOL WTF?

I keep reading this over and over again thinking maybe it doesn't really say what it says but ...

 

[Apotheosis]

He initially signed a shorter contract. That's on Dubas
McDavid will get paid 14 his next contract

Difference is, McDavid is far and away the best player in the league and deserves 14 million. Matthews has cracked 100 points once and has a history of injury concerns and NEVER turns it up in the playoffs.