Confirmed with Link: Leafs sign F Auston Matthews to extension (4 years, $13.25M AAV)

[Stamkos4life]

Matthews and Marner both earn approx 3M to 4M on avg per year in off-ice earnings b/c they are Leafs. Only 2 other players are in that conversation McJesus and Ovi. Every other NHL player earns less than 1M in off-ice earnings.

That 3M-4M could jump to 4M to 5M per year that is about 12 to 15M in extra earnings only b/c they are Leafs. Why is that not part of the conversation if it is only about "take home pay" per annum due to one being a hockey player?

Add on signings bonuses and the fact they're front loaded as well.

Too many people purposely leave out key facts when making their decisions.

 

[TheOne]

They are shook on the mains. The cope is not going well. " not a 100 point player" check. " hasn't won a play-off round" check. Will never win a hart" check. " the toronto media voted for his hart, hours later wins the Lindsay" check. " he's not an actual 50 goal scorer" check. " he's bolting first chance he gets" check.

Get f***ing wrecked mains.. Here's a dx chop for you and here's one for you, you in the back, here ya go, dx chop..

suck it mains!!!!

What a strange comment

 

[leafs in five]

Add on signings bonuses and the fact they're front loaded as well.

Too many people purposely leave out key facts when making their decisions.

their decision whether or not to be furious about a hockey player's cap hit

 

[francis246]

You missed the point of my post.

McDavid has also won many awards and scoring titles on his current 8 year deal.. Matthews deal should also have been 8 years in comparison so therefore the only contract used as the basis for their 2nd contracts would be their original entry level ones.

McDavid

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Matthews

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Which player should have the higher NHL contract in comparison?

Obviously mCdavid should have the higher contract but we know how sports work, if the two guys don’t expire at the same time they will each take turns overlapping each other. If McDavid doesn’t expire when other superstars do and the cap increases a little there’s not much anyone else can do.

 

[Torontonian]

After sleeping on AM's signing for a few days, I'm finally ready to comment.

This new deal is disgusting for me in 3 ways.

First off, it is too big of an increase that IS NOT justified by AM helping our Leafs to win a Stanley cup championship. One single playoff round win should not mean any of our core 4 deserve any increases in remuneration.

Secondly, the term is once again too short and only reflects that AM is only interested in getting more money sooner, especially if the cap goes up. He is more committed to getting more money than helping our Leafs to win any SC championships.

And thirdly, the only leadership he is showing is to himself. Nylander now knows that it's every man for himself and he should hold out for every penny himself. This sets the example for every other player on the team too.

Good luck on re-signing Bertuzzi, Domi and Klingberg, to reasonable deals next year should they prove themselves this coming season. Marner will want a substantial raise when his deal ends as well.

AM is once again showing that he is in it for the money. He surely is not showing any leadership towards making our Leafs SC winners. He can't win anything all by himself and taking money off the cap prevents our Leafs from surrounding our core with better supporting players.

This is just my humble opinion right now. Our Leafs could sway this opinion by doing something miraculous and winning it all this coming season.

1. You don't think that someone since signing his last contract has won: 2 Rockets / 1 Hart and 1 Ted Lindsay doesn't deserve a 1.6 million dollar raise yearly? There wasn't a chance in hell he wasn't going to get a raise.

2. I understand the term being a issue, it is for me as well, but it's not awful, he's still giving us his prime years of hockey for the next 5 years. He's taking a risk by not opting into 8 years, and it also could help Toronto in 5 years if he's not the same player at 31.

3. Nylander already held out once until the very last minute to make as much money as he could, that aspect isn't going to change anything.

If anything, at age 31 when 34 needs to resign again, would be the time for him to take less money if we still haven't won.

 

[Bluebear]

LOL I’m crying, you’re the one who started attacking his grammar* while having a ton of mistakes in your post.

It's so awesome when people attack someone's "grammer."

 

[Enga Olly]

What a strange comment

actually love it - not sure what some of the terminology means, but I love the spirit

 

[myleafs]

You're right. One is elite defensively and the other stands at the apposing blue line all game...

 

[Boxscore]

Why is this year the best chance this core has had. Why is it better then the last 7 years

1. Full core plus improved depth with Bertuzzi, Domi, and Klingberg.

2, The above players, plus Reaves, give the Leafs an element of jam and bravado they haven't had while this core has been together.

3. Another year of (hopefully) learning from their recent playoff disappointment.

4. A (hopefully) healthy season from Matthews.

5. A new GM in Treliving, who I believe will do a better job at the deadline.

 

[Boxscore]

??? Taking less then. Yon are offered is literally a discount. What could you possibly mean?

Are you talking about Tavares? If so, nothing exists in a vacuum. Just because the sucky and desperate Sharks were willing to pay him 13 mil a pop (and this might not even be true) doesn't mean he "took a discount" to play for the Leafs at 11 million lol. There's a reason the Sharks had to offer him a gross overpayment -- they were a terrible team on the other end of the country who were going through a bizarre phase. I said it that day, and I'll say it again... the Leafs should have offered him 9.5 x 8... take it or leave it. Take 76 million to come home and play in your hometown, on an up-and-coming team loaded with young talent... or take more to stay in Long Island were you had zero success... or take even more to relocate to San Jose and play for a crappy team who was on the verge of blowing it up. His choice.

Imho, push comes to shove, he still comes to Toronto for 9.5... which sets the table for the younger players to take less on their deals. And, if he chooses to not come to Toronto, then the extra money was more important to him than "living out his lifelong dream of playing for the Leafs."

Anyone who is still defending the Tavares overpayment is simple doing so because they are not willing to admit the Leafs made a mistake.

 

[Racer88]

1. Full core plus improved depth with Bertuzzi, Domi, and Klingberg.

2, The above players, plus Reaves, give the Leafs an element of jam and bravado they haven't had while this core has been together.

3. Another year of (hopefully) learning from their recent playoff disappointment.

4. A (hopefully) healthy season from Matthews.

5. A new GM in Treliving, who I believe will do a better job at the deadline.

Hopefully all those things come to fruition

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Amazing how fast the fans turned on Matthews.

When he was drafted Matthews was seen as saviour. Fans united in welcoming him. Now Matthews has become alienated from the faithful.

His salary demands blamed for the team's stagnant results.

In my mind this: "he could come in and demand a whole lot more ... It gets done because Auston says he wants to get it done." (Treliving)

Should be interpreted as this: "Dubas left me completely screwed so I just gave Matthews whatever he wanted."

Putting the toothpaste back into the tube is hard enough. It's a lot harder when your hands are tied. So Treliving pulled a Pontus Pilate.

Washed his hands of the whole affair.

At the same time absolving Lord Matthews. Knowing full well fans would be calling for his head. "I find no fault in this man” Pilate tells the crowd.

And the crowd replied with “Crucify him. Crucify him."

 

[Hellcat]

Everything you just wrote doesn't matter.

The FACT is that Pastrnak (who has a better career high season than Matthews in goals and points) could have demanded a higher aav than 11 mil at 4 years. He didn't do that though. He chose the non-selfish route. Ditto Mack. They both compromised for a deal that works for them as well as the team.

Matthews doing this 4 year nonsense is looking out for JUST himself. Nothing in return for the team. Pasta and Mack could have done the same. They're just less selfish.

If Matthews gets a serious injury in the next 5 years or his performance declines but can still play but greatly affects his effectiveness, is the 4 year deal still a bad thing? Do you want to be carrying a 33, 34, 35 year old that is a shadow of his former self with a $13 mil, $14 mil cap hit? The 4 year deal is not all gloom and doom, there is actually some considerable upside to it.

Your perception is it is greedy, most people perception is its a win for AM and its a win for the Leafs. Again its not greedy to get paid LESS than fair market value. This is more than fair to the Leafs. The league GM's set the market value with what they are willing to pay, if AM went to UFA status next year he would get much more than $13.25, which if you remove your bias to mudsling and look at that fact with eyes wide open, when a person takes LESS than fair market value, he is not being greedy, he's actually being the opposite.

 

[Captain Crunch]

Correct. Time to move on. This is the best shot the Leafs have had since this core has been together. It's put up time now.

For me, it was put up or shut up time after the Habs‘ series, and look where that has taken us. These two are all about themselves! I’m expecting the same results as long as these two are here!

Wait. What?


Are you upset that we have one of the premier talents in the league, or that he's getting paid like it? I'm so confused. Are you upset?

One of the premier talents in the league who can’t get it done come crunch time! smh!

 

[WillyC]

What a weird conspiracy theory. Not sure why San Jose would do the Leafs a "favour".

Because KD let them sign EK… Dubas was gonna sign both for $22 million

 

[Captain Crunch]

If Matthews get a serious injury in the next 5 years or his performance declines but can still play but greatly affects his effectiveness, is the 4 year deal still a bad thing? Do you want to be carrying a 33, 34, 35 year old that is a shadow of his former self with a $13 mil, $14 mil cap hit? The 4 year deal is not all gloom and doom, there is actually some considerable upside to it.

Your perception is it is greedy, most people perception is its a win for AM and its a win for the Leafs. Again its not greedy to get paid LESS than fair market value. This is more than fair to the Leafs. The league GM's set the market value with what they are willing to pay, if AM went to UFA status next year he would get much more than $13.25, which if you remove your bias to mudsling and look at that fact with eyes wide open, when a person takes LESS than fair market value, he is not being greedy, he's actually being the opposite.

You can slice it anyway you want to, management bowed to their demands on their last contract negotiations, and as a result have absolutely no leverage now, when they had all the leverage last time!

 

[Captain Crunch]

Amazing how fast the fans turned on Matthews.

When he was drafted Matthews was seen as saviour. Fans united in welcoming him. Now Matthews has become alienated from the faithful.

His salary demands blamed for the team's stagnant results.

In my mind this: "he could come in and demand a whole lot more ... It gets done because Auston says he wants to get it done." (Treliving)

Should be interpreted as this: "Dubas left me completely screwed so I just gave Matthews whatever he wanted."

Putting the toothpaste back into the tube is hard enough. It's a lot harder when your hands are tied. So Treliving pulled a Pontus Pilate.

Washed his hands of the whole affair.

At the same time absolving Lord Matthews. Knowing full well fans would be calling for his head. "I find no fault in this man” Pilate tells the crowd.

And the crowd replied with “Crucify him. Crucify him."

It seems like most around here are letting Shanahan and MLSE off the hook for what has transpired these past five years. That’s where the blame ultimately needs to go. Therefore, as long as they’re at the top, I expect nothing to change. However, in saying that, I do like the Bertuzzi and Domi signings.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Wait. What?


Are you upset that we have one of the premier talents in the league, or that he's getting paid like it? I'm so confused. Are you upset?

He's getting paid like he's the best in the league
And he can't elevate his game in the playoffs
Having said that I'm not particularly upset about this contract. It's the totality of everything that has and will happen that's deeply problematic.

 

[Nineteen67]

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If Matthews get a serious injury in the next 5 years or his performance declines but can still play but greatly affects his effectiveness, is the 4 year deal still a bad thing? Do you want to be carrying a 33, 34, 35 year old that is a shadow of his former self with a $13 mil, $14 mil cap hit? The 4 year deal is not all gloom and doom, there is actually some considerable upside to it.

Your perception is it is greedy, most people perception is its a win for AM and its a win for the Leafs. Again it’s not greedy to get paid LESS than fair market value. This is more than fair to the Leafs. The league GM's set the market value with what they are willing to pay, if AM went to UFA status next year he would get much more than $13.25, which if you remove your bias to mudsling and look at that fact with eyes wide open, when a person takes LESS than fair market value, he is not being greedy, he's actually being the opposite.

Do you think the next CBA will limit contracts to a 5 yrs max?

 

[Dekes For Days]

Because KD let them sign EK… Dubas was gonna sign both for $22 million

Karlsson didn't even sign until a year later, and he had no connection to us.

 

[ACC1224]

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Do you think the next CBA will limit contracts to a 5 yrs max?

I doubt the players would go for that without getting something pretty good in return

 

[leafs in five]

Putting the toothpaste back into the tube is hard enough. It's a lot harder when your hands are tied. So Treliving pulled a Pontus Pilate.

Washed his hands of the whole affair.

At the same time absolving Lord Matthews. Knowing full well fans would be calling for his head. "I find no fault in this man” Pilate tells the crowd.

And the crowd replied with “Crucify him. Crucify him."

 

[Captain Crunch]

Are you talking about Tavares? If so, nothing exists in a vacuum. Just because the sucky and desperate Sharks were willing to pay him 13 mil a pop (and this might not even be true) doesn't mean he "took a discount" to play for the Leafs at 11 million lol. There's a reason the Sharks had to offer him a gross overpayment -- they were a terrible team on the other end of the country who were going through a bizarre phase. I said it that day, and I'll say it again... the Leafs should have offered him 9.5 x 8... take it or leave it. Take 76 million to come home and play in your hometown, on an up-and-coming team loaded with young talent... or take more to stay in Long Island were you had zero success... or take even more to relocate to San Jose and play for a crappy team who was on the verge of blowing it up. His choice.

Imho, push comes to shove, he still comes to Toronto for 9.5... which sets the table for the younger players to take less on their deals. And, if he chooses to not come to Toronto, then the extra money was more important to him than "living out his lifelong dream of playing for the Leafs."

Anyone who is still defending the Tavares overpayment is simple doing so because they are not willing to admit the Leafs made a mistake.

I totally agree about the Tavares signing. However management, starting with MLSE and Shanahan, let Matthews and Marner bend them over backwards at their last contract negotiations, when management had all the leverage. Talk about the gift that keeps on giving!

 

[Legion34]

Again

For the complainaners who all wanted Matthews to sign for 8 years and were livid that he didn’t

What did you want Matthews to sign for off his ELC over 8 years?

most people thought the cap hit was “good but should be for 8 years” now

He has given Toronto 12.35x9.
We got him at 11.634 x 5 when the cap was low a
13.25 and now.


If 11.64 x8 was good
How is 12.35 x9 bad? Especially with a staggered cap hit and after 2 rockets and a hart?

I think people think their own emotions matter to cap hit or something? This is more than fair.

Other ELC players signed for 8. We got Matthews for 9. Where is the issue?

 

[WillyC]

Karlsson didn't even sign until a year later, and he had no connection to us.

I was kidding…. just floating the possibility of a core 5 at $11 million each.