Leafs Offseason: Alot of big decisions, 17 key ones [Dubas(gone), Matthews, Marner, Nylander are biggies]

[ACC1224]

What team will you be chearing for if Dubas stays? Pretty sad to drop your fav team because of the GM.

Someone should maintain a list of all those threatening to leave to see if they follow through. I’m guessing very few if any will.

Looks like Friedman has done a lot of “think”ing.

 

[al secord]

Someone should maintain a list of all those threatening to leave to see if they follow through. I’m guessing very few if any will.


Looks like Friedman has done a lot of “think”ing.

At least Jack Handey kept his deep thought to random saturdays. It must be difficult to come up with 32 every week.

 

[IPS]

Absolutely PATHETIC

Only in Toronto do fans suck this shit up

 

[29Potvin]

If the Yotes are on the move I could see them looking at a MM/WN deal.
They could use a star that will help move tickets and draw in fans
Start with 6th pick/Crouse/Vejmelka

 

[Farsailor]

A bit weird that Nylander is still not confirmed for team Sweden at the worlds (apparantly Toronto gave the go ahead a few days ago)? While Liljegren arrived to the tournament today.. One would think that they'd travel together.

 

[rumman]

Someone should maintain a list of all those threatening to leave to see if they follow through. I’m guessing very few if any will.


Looks like Friedman has done a lot of “think”ing.

Personally, I'm not changing teams because I dislike the GM, I've been a Leaf fan longer than he's been on this planet, I just don't support the team under his direction. The last couple of season's I only add posts here when there's a hope he'll be replaced, once it's confirmed he's still the GM I crawl back into my hole. There's no sense point incessantly repeating that you can't win paying half your cap to 4 players all year long, therefore I let his lack of success speak for itself..........

 

[hockeywiz542]

Why a blockbuster Maple Leafs trade really comes down to two stars

For the first summer since assembling his beloved Core Four Toronto Maple Leafs general manager Kyle Dubas is threatening to break up the band. But who should go?

www.sportsnet.ca

More incentive for prospective acquiring teams: Owners can save money, thanks to Dubas front-loading his stars’ contracts.

Marner only costs $8.025 million in real dollars for each of his final two years. Nylander only $6 million. That matters when swinging deals of this magnitude.

Should Toronto deal one of its elite forwards, it risks becoming a worse regular-season team. (Remember, the Panthers only made the dance by a single point in the standings.)

To be clear, we’re not talking about shipping out talent for prospects and picks.

What must be considered is exchanging an asset like Marner or Nylander for a bona fide top-pair defenceman and/or a different type of top-six forward that can help in the immediate future, be it through a direct deal or freeing up cap space to get more creative in free agency.

With Gabriel Landeskog already ruled out for 2023-24, Colorado is desperate for offence and has a couple of intriguing young defencemen in Samuel Girard and Bowen Byram.

Washington is resetting, and Toronto native Tom Wilson needs a new contract.

The Leafs have always had eyes for Philadelphia’s Travis Konecny and free agent Tyler Bertuzzi, whose grit-per-60 is high.

Calgary’s Elias Lindholm, Arizona’s Nick Schmaltz, and New York’s Filip Chytil would add to Toronto’s centre depth and may allow Tavares a shift to left wing — an idea he is open to.

RFA defencemen Vince Dunn (Kraken), Cam York (Flyers), Jamie Drysdale (Ducks), and K’Andre Miller (Rangers) will be intriguing targets if they struggle to reach agreements with their current clubs.

We’re just spit-balling here, of course.

But the point is, with hard work and creativity, and phone calls, there is a path to be blazed beyond "Run it back!"

And Marner and Nylander have the most cause to be nervous on their summer vacations.

 

[leeroggy]

I swear to god we're doomed with this guy for the rest of this franchise's history.

So that means 42 more years, at least, to match Lou’s current 80-year-old mark

 

[1specter]

Been very quiet. What happened to Shanahan's presser?

 

[ACC1224]

Been very quiet. What happened to Shanahan's presser?

Waiting on Dubas' decision.

 

[Scion]

I guess what I don't want is William Nylander to Pittsburgh for say the 14th overall pick and and a future 2nd.

What I would get behind is Nylander for Guntzel

Or a Nylander/Ehlers deal with Winnipeg.

or maybe a Marner + Samsonov+ whateverto either Winnipeg or Calgary for either Kyle Connor and Connor Hellebyuck

Or Marner + Samsonov + whatever for Elias Lindholm and Jacob Markstrom.

Or maybe Marner + whatever to Philadelphia for Konecny and proarov.

If you want to trade a core piece that is fine but IF you do that it, it needs to be a retool and not a rebuild and there is a MAJOR difference.

And let me say this, I threw Samsonov into those deals because I don't see what he did to deserve to be the guaranteed #1 goalie next season.

You might say " well he beat Tampa." and he did and that's fantastic but if we are culture change, MAJOR change then a guy that gave up 3+ goals 6 times in the 8 games he finished MUST be on the table because the fact is he wasn't very good

I'm not a fan of any of those moves, if you are trading Marner you need to get a young top pairing D, IMO. It's way easier to find top 6 wingers in UFA with the cap space the Leafs will save.

 

[Scion]

If the Yotes are on the move I could see them looking at a MM/WN deal.
They could use a star that will help move tickets and draw in fans
Start with 6th pick/Crouse/Vejmelka

Too many unknown assets in that trade, and not enough upside to justify it IMO.

I really think an Owen Power for Mitch Marner swap makes sense for both organizations.

 

[justashadowof]

Too many unknown assets in that trade, and not enough upside to justify it IMO.

I really think an Owen Power for Mitch Marner swap makes sense for both organizations.

Makes great sense for the Leafs as Power is going to be defense stud going forward, an exact ingredient this team has lacked. I'm not sure why Buffalo makes that deal as they seem to be generating plenty of offense with the people they already have.

 

[Da Mash]

Fans think whatever Friedman says is gospel and we all know how tight lip this organization is.

Most of TO media have no clue in all honesty

 

[Scion]

Makes great sense for the Leafs as Power is going to be defense stud going forward, an exact ingredient this team has lacked. I'm not sure why Buffalo makes that deal as they seem to be generating plenty of offense with the people they already have.

They may be inclined to make that trade because Marner is already a top 5/7 winger with elite defensive acumen. The obvious flip side is that Buffalo has more in their pipeline at forward than on defense. In any event, a young potential top pair D is who I would target. Bowen Byram, Jake Sanderson, and Luke Hughes are additional players I like. There are probably more under-the-radar types that fit the bill if you look at play-driving metrics.

 

[The Management]

Fans think whatever Friedman says is gospel and we all know how tight lip this organization is.

Most of TO media have no clue in all honesty

I've weirdly grown to like Elliote Friedman over time, but not for the rumours and speculation stuff. He's better when he's just talking casually about hockey or sharing war stories.

You're right on though, people probably shouldn't put too much stock in these "insiders."

 

[Notsince67]

You mean Willy right?

Willy is a shit center. Been there and done that. I doubt Marner would do a ton better either.

He can play C. Pretty confident of that.

He is really good at blowing the dzone instead of defending. Pretty confident at that.

 

[Buds17]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Matthews become the league's highest paid player on a deal of longer term either. I felt more frustration with the lack of term from the previous contract than I did the AAV. It sounds as though this could be more of the same.

 

[ShaneFalco]

A guy who hasn't taken it to another level in the playoffs

 

[justashadowof]

I've weirdly grown to like Elliote Friedman over time, but not for the rumours and speculation stuff. He's better when he's just talking casually about hockey or sharing war stories.

You're right on though, people probably shouldn't put too much stock in these "insiders."

I believe Friedman's main sources are player agents and the league office. Those sources are useless as a source for politics within any team's front office.

 

[Fonzieleaf]

Someone should maintain a list of all those threatening to leave to see if they follow through. I’m guessing very few if any will.


Looks like Friedman has done a lot of “think”ing.

I think you're right

 

[mehavecable]

I think the Leafs need to bring in an experienced, sure-handed GM from the outside with a fresh new perspective to take them to the next step.

Like a David Poile/Doug Armstrong/Ken Holland type. A steady hand who has been there before, and knows what needs to be done.

Much in the same way you acquire that warrior player at the trade deadline to take you over the top.

So... Who is that guy?

 

[Squiffy]

I think the Leafs need to bring in an experienced, sure-handed GM from the outside with a fresh new perspective to take them to the next step.

Like a David Poile/Doug Armstrong/Ken Holland type. A steady hand who has been there before, and knows what needs to be done.

Much in the same way you acquire that warrior player at the trade deadline to take you over the top.

So... Who is that guy?

MacLellan? No indication he's available but we're just hypothesizing here right? Check the boxes you're thinking of?

 

[hockeywiz542]

Masters on how much time Leafs will give Dubas to make decision on his future and more - TSN.ca

TSN Maple Leafs reporter Mark Masters joins Leafs Lunch to talk about how much time the organization will give Kyle Dubas to make a decision on his future, how he ranks the security of the Core Four in Toronto, the likelihood of O’Reilly, Bunting and Schenn returning to the Leafs and more.

 

[hockeywiz542]

NHL Rumors: The Toronto Maple Leafs and Kyle Dubas - NHL Rumors

What to take from Kyle Dubas' end of year press conference and what it may mean for his and the Toronto Maple Leafs future.

nhlrumors.com

Daily Faceoff: Frank Seravalli on the future of the Toronto Maple Leafs and GM Kyle Dubas.

** NHLRumors.com transcription

Tyler Yaremchuk: What stood out most to you about what Kyle Dubas had to say and does this maybe change your thinking about what can happen at the GM position for the Leafs here?

Seravalli: It’s doesn’t really change my thinking. I mean, we’ve had, we’ve learned two really important things. You touched on them but to highlight them for everyone; one is, we know that Kyle Dubas isn’t going anywhere else. At least according to him.

And two, we also learned, at least I learned, and that I reported this evening that, the Toronto Maple Leafs, they want to have him back. They made overtures to Dubas over weekend. When he took the podium on Monday afternoon, he knew that the Leafs wanted to have him back.

So, it’s not like he was sitting there pleading for his job or stating his case or anything like that. They’ve let it be known to him that they want to have him back.

You’re right, the hard right turn that was surprising was, the family part that I don’t think that anyone truly grasped and/or didn’t know. Cause I think it caught a number of people by surprise, in and around the Toronto Maple Leafs organization. So, that part I think really opened some eyes.

So, it’s the Leafs want Dubas back. Dubas isn’t going anywhere else, but does Dubas want to keep working for the Leafs. That was the curveball that really kind of surprised everyone.

I wonder what’s connected to that though. You heard him make an impassionate plea for Sheldon Keefe. So I wonder if that could be part of it. I don’t think it’s a financial leverage play or negotiation tactic, because if you’re family truly is and he seemed to get emotional, if your family truly is stressed out, I believe he makes $2.5 million right now. If you’re making $4 (million) or you’re making $5 (million), it’s not going to make your family any happier. He’s going to be a wealthy man regardless.

So that part I think you can push aside, but I wonder about Keefe, and the other thing I wonder about is the autonomy. When we mentioned before and talked about the friction that has been there at times between Brendan Shanahan and Kyle Dubas.

Brendan Shanahan’s been focused on a lot of things other than hockey recently. Dealing with a lot of business side stuff for the Toronto Maple Leafs. But at the end of the day, as team president, he’s always held the hammer and veto power.