Leafs Offseason: Alot of big decisions, 17 key ones [Dubas(gone), Matthews, Marner, Nylander are biggies]

[Throw More Waffles]

I would have to look. Unlike you I actually researched the comparables on the last ones….


Last time Matthews had nash. Kovy. Staal toews. Kane malkin. Crosby stamkos on 5 year contracts Matthews fell right in the middle of those.

Nylander had: gaudreau. Pasta. Forsberg etc. on 6 year deals. He ended up right. In the middle.

Marner had rantanen. He was too high


I don’t just spout off about things I haven’t looked into. That would make my dramatically psychotic and inconsistent.

Maybe forsberg. Fiala. Gaudreau may provide some comparables?

Let's continue here, as it's not a Matthews thread.

Ok, so Forsberg and Nylander match up pretty well statistically.

What I'm about to do below is the PRECISE same thing you and your ilk did to rationalize the unprecedented dramatic overpayments. So you shouldn't be able to argue anything back at this.

Forsberg makes 8.5 aav. But OH UH!!!! Tax free state. So lets go ahead and add that 16% to Nylanders contract. That takes us to 10.1 million. Zone entries? An extra 500k at least. Not a single sentence went by in those Nylander threads without zone entries being constantly repeated. 10.6 million. Not much media pressure in Nashville, but I learned in the last contract negotiations that leafs need to pay a premium. 700k or so. So now we're at 11.3. Linemates? Remember that doozie? It's clear as day that playing considerable time (especially on the PP) with the likes of Tavares, Marner, and Matthews is much better than what Forsberg played with. We need to take that into account. An extra 500k. 11.8. Weather? Don't think I forgot about that one. Every dubas defender was like "Of course they'd rather winter in Nashville where you can still wear a t-shirt instead of shoveling 3 feet of snow every day in Toronto." Ok, another half mil. That brings us to 12.3 million. And what if Nylander signs NEXT year, and other cap ceiling increase, and what if he's even better? we could easily be looking at 13 mil +.

13 million for Nylander, based on YOU and your ilks previous arguments when in relation to direct comparables. What does that leave Matthews at? League maximum?

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[Legion34]

Let's continue here, as it's not a Matthews thread.

Ok, so Forsberg and Nylander match up pretty well statistically.

What I'm about to do below is the PRECISE same thing you and your ilk did to rationalize the unprecedented dramatic overpayments. So you shouldn't be able to argue anything back at this.

Forsberg makes 8.5 aav. But OH UH!!!! Tax free state. So lets go ahead and add that 16% to Nylanders contract. That takes us to 10.1 million. Zone entries? An extra 500k at least. Not a single sentence went by in those Nylander threads without zone entries being constantly repeated. 10.6 million. Not much media pressure in Nashville, but I learned in the last contract negotiations that leafs need to pay a premium. 700k or so. So now we're at 11.3. Linemates? Remember that doozie? It's clear as day that playing considerable time (especially on the PP) with the likes of Tavares, Marner, and Matthews is much better than what Forsberg played with. We need to take that into account. An extra 500k. 11.8. Weather? Don't think I forgot about that one. Every dubas defender was like "Of course they'd rather winter in Nashville where you can still wear a t-shirt instead of shoveling 3 feet of snow every day in Toronto." Ok, another half mil. That brings us to 12.3 million. And what if Nylander signs NEXT year, and other cap ceiling increase, and what if he's even better? we could easily be looking at 13 mil +.

13 million for Nylander, based on YOU and your ilks previous arguments when in relation to direct comparables. What does that leave Matthews at? League maximum?

None of this happened.

All we did was look at the raw and per game totals for goals assists and points. The model predicted
The contracts in non tax free markets very well. The tax free were 2% less.


The rest is really kind of sad you spent this much time
On it

Also say dubas stays and willy signs for less than 13 million… will he have done well?

 

[Sypher04]

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It’s fair, they made big moves and it’s all worked out for them seemingly. We could see this go the same way, but I actually do not envy the management here, Dubas or otherwise, trying to determine what that precise move is however. We clearly have very good pieces here and yet the mix still isn’t quite right.

 

[horner]

Ray Ferraro on overdrivementioned mathews and LA I just caught the tail end of it ?
Anyone watching.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Ray Ferraro on overdrivementioned mathews and LA I just caught the tail end of it ?
Anyone watching.

Ray Ferraro said that in his opinion, Auston Matthews could re-sign with the Toronto Maple Leafs this summer for $13 million per year for 8 years.

Ferraro asks: What if there are 2 or 3 teams calling and there is a monster trade offer for Auston Matthews, what should the Toronto Maple Leafs do in that situation?

Ray Ferraro also speculates that the Los Angeles Kings are an interesting potential destination for Auston Matthews.

• Anže Kopitar has 1 year left on his contract, but will be a Los Angeles King for life (contract can be restructured)

• the Los Angeles Kings have many interesting players to offer in a possible trade for Auston Matthews

Ray Ferraro on what went wrong for the Leafs in Round 2, how Tavares could change & the future of AM34 - TSN.ca

TSN & ESPN Hockey Analyst Ray Ferraro joined the OverDrive guys earlier today following another early playoff exit from the Maple Leafs. He touched on what the Leafs did poorly, what Florida did well, how Tavares can change his game & what he expects to happen this offseason.

 

[horner]

Ray Ferraro said that in his opinion, Auston Matthews could re-sign with the Toronto Maple Leafs this summer for $13 million per year for 8 years.

Ferraro asks: What if there are 2 or 3 teams calling and there is a monster trade offer for Auston Matthews, what should the Toronto Maple Leafs do in that situation?

Ray Ferraro also speculates that the Los Angeles Kings are potentially an interesting suitor for Auston Matthews.

• Anže Kopitar has 1 year left on his contract, but will be a Los Angeles King for life (contract can be restructured)

• have many interesting players to offer in trade

Ray Ferraro on what went wrong for the Leafs in Round 2, how Tavares could change & the future of AM34 - TSN.ca

TSN & ESPN Hockey Analyst Ray Ferraro joined the OverDrive guys earlier today following another early playoff exit from the Maple Leafs. He touched on what the Leafs did poorly, what Florida did well, how Tavares can change his game & what he expects to happen this offseason.

Thanks

 

[PromisedLand]

first: FU Keefe for not putting Willy on #1PP, you galaxy braining moron

second: It would be hilarious to see mack for chickpea pasta on nylander and losing his shit on the bench

Losing willy is gonna suck if it comes to that.

 

[PromisedLand]

Ray Ferraro said that in his opinion, Auston Matthews could re-sign with the Toronto Maple Leafs this summer for $13 million per year for 8 years.

Ferraro asks: What if there are 2 or 3 teams calling and there is a monster trade offer for Auston Matthews, what should the Toronto Maple Leafs do in that situation?

Ray Ferraro also speculates that the Los Angeles Kings are an interesting potential destination for Auston Matthews.

• Anže Kopitar has 1 year left on his contract, but will be a Los Angeles King for life (contract can be restructured)

• the Los Angeles Kings have many interesting players to offer in a possible trade for Auston Matthews

Ray Ferraro on what went wrong for the Leafs in Round 2, how Tavares could change & the future of AM34 - TSN.ca

TSN & ESPN Hockey Analyst Ray Ferraro joined the OverDrive guys earlier today following another early playoff exit from the Maple Leafs. He touched on what the Leafs did poorly, what Florida did well, how Tavares can change his game & what he expects to happen this offseason.

Would be more comfortable with Matthews signing at 12 AAV for 8 years

 

[horner]

Thanks

Ray had alot of great points .

 

[PromisedLand]

Overdrive guys were interesting today especially with the MacKinnon contract as to how he took a shave so that Avs can sign Makar, Ranatanen, Nuke etc...

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Tied at the hip


No coach can change the core’s heart

But a good coach doesn't allow himself to get out coached in every single playoff series that he's in, including the series he won.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I definitely understand your point for #2 but truthfully and with all do respect it doesn’t matter. Yes we are going to be giving up the better player but the move is necessary. The core has to change, we’ve had 5 years of this and it hasn’t worked. 7 years if you just look at Nylander, Rielly, Marner and Matthews.

I would honestly look to trade Marner to Minnesota, LA or St. Louis.

St. Louis has a ton of prospects and also some decent RW’ers who can replace Marner and bring that bite element. I wouldn’t mind Robert Thomas or Jordan Kyrou tbh, then you have Snuggerud who’s a top prospect of theirs and has played with Knies at U of Minnesota.

LA has an abundance of prospects and maybe we can bring back Trevor Moore or a different type of player.

Minnesota has decent prospects and also players that have jam.

Seattle also wouldn’t be a bad option either.



Or maybe Shanny doesn’t have authorization because his ass is really the one that’s on the line lol.

See that's the problem, you are 90% losing that trade, which makes you worse which makes it a bad idea.

You want to trade a core piece? fair enough I won't deny changes need to be made.

But you better be able to tell me how doing that makes you better.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

just taking time to see some hockey news. (f***ing work getting in the way)

This is HUGE if true

It's really not, what the f*** does "Plan to purse permission." even mean? They either will or they won't there are no plans

 

[francis246]

See that's the problem, you are 90% losing that trade, which makes you worse which makes it a bad idea.

You want to trade a core piece? fair enough I won't deny changes need to be made.

But you better be able to tell me how doing that makes you better.

I think you target a team with a young defenseman that you think can be a number one on the leafs. IMO Columbus wouldn’t be bad, give me Werenski and Kent Johnson. Or Werenski and Cole Sillinger

 

[sunstersun]

Trading Marner for a good young top 4 defenseman and a top 6 winger would be a dream for me.

 

[Rob Brown]

What are we getting from Colorado, though? Like Byram would be cool but I can't imagine they move him. Not really sure what else would be of interest that is realistic, to be honest.

 

[PromisedLand]

Trading Marner for a good young top 4 defenseman and a top 6 winger would be a dream for me.

if together these two pieces can give me 90 -110 points I am happy

60 to 70 points forward (hard nosed top 6, goes into corners and bangs in garbage goals that pop up from Matthews shots' rebounds)

30 to 40 points defense while playing FU defense crushing opposition forwards in playoffs

about 2 to 3 million in cap space

I am good !

 

[sunstersun]

if together these two pieces can give me 90 -110 points I am happy

60 to 70 points forward (hard nosed top 6, goes into corners and bangs in garbage goals that pop up from Matthews shots' rebounds)

30 to 40 points defense while playing FU defense crushing opposition forwards in playoffs

about 2 to 3 million in cap space

I am good !

I'm just really tired of bad defenceman. Especially old guys.

Gio, Brodie and Holl basically died these playoffs.

I also desperately want a defenceman with a slapshot.

 

[WillNy29]

Trading Marner for a good young top 4 defenseman and a top 6 winger would be a dream for me.

like Larsson for Hall?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I think you target a team with a young defenseman that you think can be a number one on the leafs. IMO Columbus wouldn’t be bad, give me Werenski and Kent Johnson. Or Werenski and Cole Sillinger

I don't hate that but I would also ask you this

How do we know that if you brought back the exact same roster, and I do mean the EXACT same roster, but instead of Sheldon Keefe you have Quinnville, Or Mike Sullivan, or Peter Laviolette, or Gerard Gilliant behind the bench how do we know that's not enough.

Now to be clear I don't want to bring back the EXACT same roster because that would mean Kerfoot and Holl come back and they both HAVE to go.

But I've been watching 22 years, this is BY FAR the most talented roster I have ever seen it's not even REMOTELY close, and I don't Keefe has been able to to take advantage of that talent properly.

Sheldon Keefe has consistently been out coached and yes that's a Keefe issue.

I'm not convinced Quinnville or Sullivan, or Laviolette, or Gilliant couldn't get more out of this level of talent

 

[mobilus]

Try Marner as #2 centre.

 

[sunstersun]

Try Marner as #2 centre.

You mean Willy right?

 

[mobilus]

You mean Willy right?

If we don’t resign ROR, make Willy the #3 centre.

 

[hockeywiz542]

According to hockey insider Chris Johnston, the MLSE board is finally willing to grant Kyle Dubas a contract extension after declining to do so last summer, but there’s a desire to wrap things up quickly. We’re talking as early as Tuesday or Wednesday, according to sources.

Emotional Dubas leaves future with Maple Leafs in doubt - NorthStar Bets

Without knowing the extent of his family situation – or being able to fully measure the human cost of investing everything he had into being Leafs GM – it seemed at least plausible that Dubas may be burnt out.

And if that’s the case, the 37-year-old should be granted the space and privacy needed to take care of matters far more important than chasing a Stanley Cup.

Except the challenge hanging over this particular situation is time.

The MLSE board is finally willing to grant Dubas a contract extension after declining to do so last summer, but there’s a desire to wrap things up quickly. We’re talking as early as Tuesday or Wednesday, according to sources.

While that makes logistical sense given the volume of looming decisions – making a determination on Sheldon Keefe and his coaching staff, finalizing draft preparations, working out a contract extension with Auston Matthews (and possibly William Nylander), exploring the market for core-altering trades – it’s going to be a tight turnaround for someone in the mindspace we saw Dubas display.

In the event he decides to walk away, as unfathomable as that seems, the Leafs would need to scramble quickly for a Plan B.

Perhaps it’s as simple as promoting assistant general manager Brandon Pridham, who has been with the organization since August 2014 as a salary cap specialist and has since added important responsibilities like taking the lead on contract negotiations. He’s a valued asset that would provide continuity and has been linked to the ongoing Calgary Flames GM search.

Many of the external candidates are well down the road in the process for other job openings, although one that isn’t – recently departed Flames GM Brad Treliving – would likely be of strong interest.

Again, though, we are only a little more than six weeks out from the start of free agency. The timing won’t allow for a comprehensive search.

Notably, Leafs president Brendan Shanahan elected not to join Dubas for Monday’s year-end media availability, which is a significant departure from past practice. Shanahan will speak in the coming days, according to Leafs PR.