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Leafs Offseason: Alot of big decisions, 17 key ones [Dubas(gone), Matthews, Marner, Nylander are biggies]
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I think they will call it special advisor to the president
Wasn’t Pridham the one who was driving the Schenn bus? I think Pridham would have a slightly different philosophy
I think Dubas comes back. I think the hold up was how well they did in the playoffs that would dictate how much, if any, of a raise he would get.
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If Pridham believes in a hard nosed team with solid depth, defending and tending. I am all for it, we know he is a master of cap matters. The contracts Dubas agreed to probably don't match with his. I imagine Pridham would have objected to the numbers but that's speculation.
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I’m not sure I trust people that were already in the can and will circle.
If you are changing, change with no strings attached.
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thewave
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I don't disagree with you but canning Shanny Dubas Keefe and Pridham would leave you in a real deal bind managing a draft and those contracts. He basically would be promoted to deal with this task because nobody else would be left to do it competently with full knowledge.
Could be as simple as a 3 x 2m contract and if they really don't like the direction, golden handshake him.
Operation scapegoat Keefe is working quite swimmingly from the looks of it.
And the low IQ fans seem to be buying right in
I just wonder how Dubas feels about his boy Keefe being done like this.Babcock can give you a lot of consoling Sheldon, he's been here too.
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If we look at the pillars of the franchise – GM Kyle Dubas, coach Sheldon Keefe, the forwards, defense corps and goaltenders…Which pieces do you think will change by next season? Over to you, Roundtable.
MATT LARKIN: I’ll predict GM, coach, one core forward. That means a mutual separation with Kyle Dubas, firing coach Sheldon Keefe and trading one of Mitch Marner/Auston Matthews/William Nylander. I don’t see Morgan Rielly being a casualty given the reasonable value of his cap hit at the moment, while I could envision the Leafs LTIRing Matt Murray and rolling with Joseph Woll and a re-signed Ilya Samsonov as next year’s goalie duo.
NICK ALBERGA: I’ll say GM and one core forward — likely William Nylander. And I say Nylander just because he’s eligible for an extension this summer and they don’t have the funds to pay him. He’ll chase the highest bid. Additionally, Kyle Dubas is a free agent and without question, I think he’ll be highly sought after by other teams regardless of if the Leafs want him back or not. Assuming they make a managerial change, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the new GM give Sheldon Keefe a shot to stick.
MIKE MCKENNA: I’ll say president, GM, coach, goaltender, one core forward. said it this past offseason: the one area that I felt could doom Dubas was goaltending. I didn’t think Ilya Samsonov and Matt Murray were a tandem capable of going on a deep run in the Stanley Cup playoffs. And Joseph Woll’s arrival on the scene was too late. But what was the threshold here? Did the Leafs have to make it to the Eastern Conference final? Win the Stanley Cup? I understand that the team has supposedly underachieved over the past few years, and mistakes have been made. But at this point it feels like it was Cup or bust in TO or else everyone would go. That’s just the nature of the city and the pressure involved. I think Brendan Shanahan is out. And sadly I think Kyle Dubas, despite doing just about everything possible to improve his team at the trade deadline, will likely be out as well. Especially considering his free agent status this summer. Keefe? Yeah he’s gone, too. Samsonov will leave as well, but mostly because he’s a free agent and I expect him to chase a multi-year deal elsewhere. Nylander? See ya. He wants to get paid and it’s not going to happen in Toronto without major surgery. Matthews and Marner aren’t going anywhere. Rielly is a lock on ‘D.’ Bottom line is if Toronto decides to make a change in management, whoever comes in next won’t want any baggage tied to the past regime.
STEVEN ELLIS: I’ve learned to not expect massive changes with this team, and I’m not sure that’s the way to go. I’d say coach, but who realistically on the market makes this group better? I’m going with the team upgrading goaltending. Ilya Samsonov did a good job of giving the Leafs a fighting chance all year long. But they can’t go with the Murray-Samsonov duo again. Whether it’s Samsonov and Woll, or Woll and someone else, they need stability. And I love Woll, but he’s not ready for starter duties. So you need to find some stability, and maybe that’s Samsonov. But right now, that’s the biggest area of concern in my opinion.
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Consider: The Leafs have been branded a skilled team, yet never seem to have enough offensive skill when it matters. They have an aging blueline that just wilted under the playoff heat — at least whenever Morgan Rielly and Luke Schenn needed to take a breather. They have nearly $4.7 million (U.S.) in cap space committed to Matt Murray and absolutely no reason to believe the goaltender can be counted on to play a meaningful number of games.
They have a couple of intriguing prospects, but no one in the pipeline who projects as a potential gravity-shifter next season. They have considerably more cap flexibility than summers gone by, sure, but also more needs to address.
Who will slot in at second-line centre?
Deploying John Tavares in that role seems increasingly tenuous. The captain will turn 33 in the fall and has reached the stage of his career where he shouldn’t be counted on to drive even-strength play.
They may also be in the market for bottom-six centre help with Ryan O’Reilly, David Kämpf and Noel Acciari all eligible to test the open market on July 1.
The good news for those players is that they’ve got leverage because of a relatively weak free-agent class. The bad news for the Leafs is that there aren’t an endless number of replacements if they choose to move on.
The team has roughly $14 million in available space with a roster of nine forwards, six defencemen and two goaltenders. That’s assuming Jake Muzzin’s cervical spine injury won’t allow him to continue his career, and doesn’t account for the new contract restricted free-agent goalie Ilya Samsonov needs to sign.
Of course, the challenge facing the front office isn’t merely to fill holes, but to find a way to get better in the process.
As has been well-documented, there is reason to question whether they’ve assembled the right mix at their core. And with Marner and Auston Matthews gaining no-movement clauses as of July 1 — plus William Nylander picking up a 10-team no-trade list that same day — the task of moving any of those players is due to get considerably more difficult in six weeks.
The clock is ticking loudly if they’re going to ponder a blockbuster trade.
Everything must be up for consideration now.
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Remember the words of president Brendan Shanahan from 2015 when he publicly laid out the blueprint for how the organization intended to move forward: “The challenge here in Toronto is not to come up with the plan. The challenge in Toronto is to stick to it.”
They’ve stuck with it, and stuck with it, and stuck with it some more.
Things are about to change, but there’s no guarantee it’ll be for the better.
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Here is some more information from James Mirtle of The Athletic:
Auston Matthews also holds the hammer here, with a full no-movement clause kicking in on July 1, which makes the timeline for a new executive to win him over and get an extension ready very tight.
It would draw a ton of heat his way in the city, but Matthews marches to his own beat enough that I don’t think you can entirely rule out him being willing to go into next season without an extension.
The trouble there for the Leafs is what if they get off to a slow start, or there are issues with the new coach or GM, and Matthews begins to have second thoughts? What if Toronto bombs out early in the playoffs, yet again?
What if Matthews decides in midseason, like Tavares did in 2018, that he might as well wait things out and see what his options are in the summer of 2024?
What if he walks and the Leafs don’t receive anything in return?
Then it might actually be blow-it-up time.
I still believe the most likely outcome here is the Leafs retain Dubas, despite all of the challenges that entails. And that Dubas then finds a way to get some sort of extension done with Matthews.
I could see it being more money than some fans will want — and it may be less term, too — but at least it would keep him as the centerpiece of the program for the rest of his 20s.
That’s something you can build around, no matter what else unfolds here in the hectic months to come.
But in talking to people around the organization over the weekend, there sure is a lot up in the air right now. It’s put basically everyone on edge, including the players, and that makes some of this very hard to forecast.
It’s going to be an interesting summer in Toronto no matter what. But at the moment, it feels like just about anything could happen.
Including losing the face of the franchise.
Auston Matthews also holds the hammer here, with a full no-movement clause kicking in on July 1, which makes the timeline for a new executive to win him over and get an extension ready very tight.
It would draw a ton of heat his way in the city, but Matthews marches to his own beat enough that I don’t think you can entirely rule out him being willing to go into next season without an extension.
The trouble there for the Leafs is what if they get off to a slow start, or there are issues with the new coach or GM, and Matthews begins to have second thoughts? What if Toronto bombs out early in the playoffs, yet again?
What if Matthews decides in midseason, like Tavares did in 2018, that he might as well wait things out and see what his options are in the summer of 2024?
What if he walks and the Leafs don’t receive anything in return?
Then it might actually be blow-it-up time.
I still believe the most likely outcome here is the Leafs retain Dubas, despite all of the challenges that entails. And that Dubas then finds a way to get some sort of extension done with Matthews.
I could see it being more money than some fans will want — and it may be less term, too — but at least it would keep him as the centerpiece of the program for the rest of his 20s.
That’s something you can build around, no matter what else unfolds here in the hectic months to come.
But in talking to people around the organization over the weekend, there sure is a lot up in the air right now. It’s put basically everyone on edge, including the players, and that makes some of this very hard to forecast.
It’s going to be an interesting summer in Toronto no matter what. But at the moment, it feels like just about anything could happen.
Including losing the face of the franchise.
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There are never any guarantees. But you can't just keep doing what you've done for years and failing, because you're afraid to try something different
Matthews saying a contract can be worked out in its own time makes me nervous.....Tavares said the same then left the isles with nothing to show for him. We cant let Matthews walk for nothing.
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holy moly this is the first time I've seen this poster post something that's not an article!
remember when Kariya and Selannee went everywhere together
thewave
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I don't think Dubas and Pridham have that sort of thing going on.
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No idear what is going on .. dead silence on all fronts .. only thing i know is no one has seen Shanny at Scotia since playoffs started .. and that is strange .. he likes to walk around place and i saw him and waived to him quite a few times during season when around Hot Stove .. maybe in NYC with his family or in Mimico/Muskoka with mom who knows
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If so huge mistake by Flames. Pridham is good at one thing capology. I wouldn't trust him at all to negotiate trades or contracts or hire a coaching staff
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