Leafs Offseason: Alot of big decisions, 17 key ones [Dubas(gone), Matthews, Marner, Nylander are biggies]

[keonsbitterness]

While leaving yesterday's Marlie game, I heard this guy walking behind me say that he grew up with Shanahan in Mimico, and that Shanahan was basically a dumb guy who was good at fooling people into thinking he was smart.

So my rumour is Shanahan is an idiot.

 

[therealkoho]

i agree with steve simmons .u have to sign mathews long term .but IMO if he wont commit by july 1st .deal him
marner the same these guys owe the leafs that much courtesy
if they want dubas back so be it .i guarantee u larry tannenbaum will make sure dubas has limited atonomy on certain decisions
its hard to say but so,mething smells of running this thing back and just tell the fans how priveledged they are that they are leafs nation

I don't understand, why anybody is so hot or why you "have to" resign Matthews.

Seriously, 11.6 is already too much for what hes delivered so far, and we both know the upcoming contract he'll demand will, maybe not be insane but it will likely be north of 15m which will cut off either Will or Mitch from resigning with the team.

I mean sure 3 or 4 more seasons of 45-55 goals is possible and maybe even another Hart, but possibly w/o the benefit of a supporting cast we can't afford now.

I remember very clearly lots of talk about the cap going up like a rocket and how the contract will look like a steal! It's a steal alright just not the kind it was supposed to be.

We need the cap room back what we dont need is using more of it up on a bet that has a history of not paying off.

The return will be at least 2 NHL players a blue chip prospect and a 1st and 2nd and some dead money if available.

See if Dirty Murr would consider a nice trip to Robidas Island

Move Brodie and a pick for a younger 300 game bottom 6 Dman who isn't shy

Sign Will for 6 years M-NTC(12 team) 62m

Resign ROR, Acciari, Kampf and Bunts for the right money.

Find a big tough kid who can play, but who's elite skill is his ability to bench press 300lbs

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Sub .900, those are Samsonov / Vasi numbers.

 

[deprw]

Yup a fraud. I just hope they follow though and fire him soon so we can get the ship righted.

Ship righted? We have had terrible luck with front office personnel trough the years. Even 90s and early 2000s we couldn't draft or build decent front office or hockey operations. JFJ and Burke years were disaster. Dubas has brought tons of stability here and now we have at least operations worth of most expensive organization in the NHL.

Lamoriello made few mistakes during the build up that cost us year or two. In hindsight it would have been best for us to miss those 2017 playoffs and trade those UFAs for assets. This would be very different hockey team with his "win now" mentality.

In the end I have to agree that Dubas has failed with on ice product. This was our year and should have been. With this team window is open for one more year and what to do is pretty puzzling decision for the organization to make.

Though with our luck with front office personnel I wouldn't be so sure that we get that lucky, that we get a guy in a few weeks that "can right this ship". How often it has happened in this league? Last coach that won cups in two organizations was Scotty Bowman and it's pretty rare for even a GM to do it in different organizations. So even going after experienced GM and coach it's far from sure thing that we could right this ship in a whim.

We should know that.

 

[Ulysses31]

A bit sobering seeing mighty McOilers get eliminated. Sure it sucks leafs have failed year after year but McDrai and crew haven't done much better.

 

[Pengu]

Matthews will demand to be the highest paid in the league. 13-14 million AAV easily. Marner would want 11-12 minimum. Just no way those 2 mental midgets are worth almost 30 million.

 

[horner]

and leave his boy Keefe ?

DOUBT it.

That would be an interesting move.



I think they've already worked out a deal, but didn't want to announce it until it was politically correct (after the playoffs).

I think a new GM will have MAJOR problems making deals with Matthews, Marner and Nylander. letting Dubas go would be potentially triggering a rebuild.

I would rather have a rebuild than paying these entitled players any more money and control.
Then it wouldn't matter who your coach is

Nylander is the only one I would sign m-nmc 9.5
His speed will still be there in 7 yrs

Can't say the same for Mathews or Marner

We need a Zito moment

 

[HamiltonNHL]

I would rather have a rebuild than paying these entitled players any more money and control.
Then it wouldn't matter who your coach is

I don't think Matthews wants back anyway. Although his injured body and declining production topped off with slow skating and inability to zone entry himself - not to mention - his game doesnt translate to the post season .... all this translates to his contract being a huge risk. He doesnt really drive a line himself. Anyone over 9 that can't drive a line themselves isn't worth it.

Marner's early kick in for the NMC really pisses me off - I am trading him.

Nylander is the only one I would sign m-nmc 9.5
His speed will still be there in 7 yrs

He really improves every year.
His game translates to post season as well.
Nylander can drive a line himself with his skating, zone entries and overall smarts.


I'd be hugely surprised if Dubas doesnt overpay Matthews and I'll be flabergasted if he has the guts to trade Matthews.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Bieber lives in Guelph.

Hey @Ianturnedbull,

For your information, it seems as though Justin and Hailey Bieber currently own two properties, one in California, USA and one in Canada.

Every Single Home Justin and Hailey Bieber Have Lived in Together

The combined total of the properties they've resided in is more than $40 million.

www.housebeautiful.com

A $5 Million Lakeside Mansion, Ontario, Canada

The Biebers spent much of the pandemic living in their $5 million lakeside mansion in Ontario, which boasts four bedrooms, six bathrooms, and—get ready for this—a two-story wine room that’s temperature-controlled. The star couple purchased this dwelling in August of 2018, a month after they got married. This 9,000-square-foot property sits on 101 acres, and it comes with private access to an expansive lake, its own movie theater, and numerous fireplaces, according to TMZ. You can catch plenty of glimpses of the home on Justin and Hailey’s social media accounts, including videos from their Facebook Watch series, like this one that's titled “Lake Day with the Biebers.”

A $25.8 Million Mansion, Beverly Hills, California

In August of 2020, the Biebers made their biggest real estate investment yet: a $25.8 million mansion in Beverly Hills. The 11,145-square-foot abode includes seven bedrooms and 10 bathrooms, and it sits on 2.5 acres. Although the property was originally listed for $27.25 million, the Biebers got it for $1.45 million less, according to People. Once again, Josh and Matt Altman represented Justin and Hailey in the sale. Some of the home’s most impressive amenities include an infinity pool and accompanying jacuzzi, tennis court, gym, library, and movie room.

 

[Visnovsky]

Matthews probably would not accept a sign&trade to Minnesota, but something like:

Signed Matthews for Eriksson Ek, Brodin, 1st (Minnesota chooses one of their next three 1sts)

For one year of Matthews, Minnesota would never do this - but for a signed Matthews? Who knows.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

Matthews probably would not accept a sign&trade to Minnesota, but something like:

Signed Matthews for Eriksson Ek, Brodin, 1st (Minnesota chooses one of their next three 1sts)

For one year of Matthews, Minnesota would never do this - but for a signed Matthews? Who knows.

Their most untouchable core D and most untouchable core C and a 1st for Matthews who is for some weird reason gonna sign long term to play in Minnesota. I think Minnesota says no and Matthews says no, Leafs say "maybe".

 

[rumman]

Some of my favourite Leafs in the playoffs were people Dubas acquired, he seems to be figuring it out. The past is just that, the question you ask is if someone better is out there? Not sure. Then, can Dubas articulate a rethink, or is he married to his construction? If he can pivot, then it’s intriguing. Keefe is gone, if he keeps him, then I want no part of him continuing. Also, he needs to have his Masai moment wherein he puts loyalty aside and makes a tough trade. Dubas is too nice s guy, I’m hoping him being burned over and over has hardened him, I sense with contracts he’s getting that way, now bring in a no nonsense coach and stop the coddling atmosphere. I’m inclined to keep him, and I’ve been a critic, it’s a shame we’ve wasted so many years for him to figure it out, but where he sits today, he’s a decent GM.

They had a no nonsense coach, but he hurt the players feelings so Dubas gleefully got him axed. I doubt that will work and not have a player‘s mutiny on your hands because we know the player’s are really running the show……..

no real choice.

no time for a GM change with Matthews contract deadline July 1, 2023.

He could pull a Kawhi and go to Arizona for nothing.

Does he need a ride to the airport?

 

[rumman]

Well that certainly isn’t the way you felt when you repeatedly advocated for Babcock to be run out of town when he had years left on his contract and millions of dollars owed in salary.

You put 100% of the blame for everything on Babcock.

And let’s just be clear here, at that time, this team was at the beginning of their development cycle. They were still bringing in young talent, developing them and planting the seeds of success that would likely take several years to pay dividends. Babcock was hard on some of these players, yes, it’s true. But he did so because he was showing them what it would take to win it all. Not win just in the regular season.

And the result was that in many of those Babcock years, the Leafs were considered to have exceeded expectations at least at that time in their development cycle.

So you gave no similar considerations or allowances to Babcock. You expected nothing less than success in the playoffs or he should go.

Your solution and antidote to Babcock was Keefe. Who you claimed was a player friendly coach that once installed, would institute a possession style of play inkeeping with Dubas’ hockey philosophy and that the Leaf success would soon follow and that they would challenge for the cup in short order.

Well you were wrong then and you’re wrong now.

Failure after failure, you have defended Dubas with excuses like, “success isn’t linear”, you have blamed the NHL, the referees, the flat salary cap and concocted dozens of other creative excuses in an effort to defend your hero. You have repeatedly defended tying up half the salary cap in four players and advocated for “running it back” year after unsuccessful year.

You also repeatedly blamed Lamoriello, who upon leaving, only took a team out of the playoffs, into the 3rd round and in the process won the Jim Gregory award in back to back years. And he did that with a team that lost their franchise player and captain in Tavares. And he did that with the completely dysfunctional NY Islanders.

To Lou winning GM of the year, you responded that it was a irrelevant, dumb award anyway.

I’m sure if Dubas won the same award though, you would suddenly have a different take and be extolling how indicative it was of how great an executive Dubas is.

So now suddenly here we are after 5 years of playoff failure, with your guy as GM and his coach of choice behind the bench and now you proclaim “coaches get too much focus”.

Sorry, but your credibility here with most is simply long gone.

I wish this was Twitter so I could watch every one of your posts get ratioed.

excellent summation……….

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Does Matthews need a ride to the airport?

No.

Auston Matthews and Porsche

could two of my Fav things become one ? Yes !!!!! Thanks Porsche Canada for keeping AM34 happy to be in Toronto.

forums.hfboards.com

 

[CapspaceKiller]

Sounds like Shanny's probably out, Dubas is back in with possibly more power.

I've seen enough of Keefe to know he coaches not to lose, rather than to win. He should be out, but with Dubas coming back I doubt that occurs.

Does Dubas finally admit the core 4 plan was wrong? And he moves one or 2 of them?

Also, I have no idea, but what is Matthew's relationship with Dubas? Because he has to be re-signed

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Also, I have no idea, but what is Matthew's relationship with Dubas?

He signed him the first time. To an overpay contract that he didn't translate into post season success.

Because he has to be re-signed

unless he doesnt want to.
they he has to be traded before July 1, 2023.

We saw what happened with Matthew Tkachuk.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Hey @Ianturnedbull,

For your information, it seems as though Justin and Hailey Bieber currently own two properties, one in California, USA and one in Canada.

Every Single Home Justin and Hailey Bieber Have Lived in Together

The combined total of the properties they've resided in is more than $40 million.

www.housebeautiful.com

A $5 Million Lakeside Mansion, Ontario, Canada

The Biebers spent much of the pandemic living in their $5 million lakeside mansion in Ontario, which boasts four bedrooms, six bathrooms, and—get ready for this—a two-story wine room that’s temperature-controlled. The star couple purchased this dwelling in August of 2018, a month after they got married. This 9,000-square-foot property sits on 101 acres, and it comes with private access to an expansive lake, its own movie theater, and numerous fireplaces, according to TMZ. You can catch plenty of glimpses of the home on Justin and Hailey’s social media accounts, including videos from their Facebook Watch series, like this one that's titled “Lake Day with the Biebers.”

A $25.8 Million Mansion, Beverly Hills, California

In August of 2020, the Biebers made their biggest real estate investment yet: a $25.8 million mansion in Beverly Hills. The 11,145-square-foot abode includes seven bedrooms and 10 bathrooms, and it sits on 2.5 acres. Although the property was originally listed for $27.25 million, the Biebers got it for $1.45 million less, according to People. Once again, Josh and Matt Altman represented Justin and Hailey in the sale. Some of the home’s most impressive amenities include an infinity pool and accompanying jacuzzi, tennis court, gym, library, and movie room.

You need to put quotation marks on these. Perhaps you stayed up to write a short essay on Bieber's real estate history.

If so then please don't respond. I'm disturbed enough already.

 

[GoBuds14]

I don’t know if it’s an overreaction or not to say I want to move on from Marner and Matthews, but I’ve honestly kind of seen enough. Another important series where they disappeared, yet they made sure to get unbelievable contracts for themselves. I don’t think they can win in playoff hockey. Yes I understand securing as much money as possible for yourself, but if you’re going to milk every penny out of the organization, you better back it up. Matthews and Marner deserve all the criticism coming their way

 

[ACC1224]

I don’t know if it’s an overreaction or not to say I want to move on from Marner and Matthews, but I’ve honestly kind of seen enough. Another important series where they disappeared, yet they made sure to get unbelievable contracts for themselves. I don’t think they can win in playoff hockey. Yes I understand securing as much money as possible for yourself, but if you’re going to milk every penny out of the organization, you better back it up. Matthews and Marner deserve all the criticism coming their way

I’m wondering is the feeling these guys just can’t win here or anywhere?
Say Matthews is a Cane or Marner a Knight, do those teams now not have success?

 

[Trapper]

Yup. On a positive note only owed 775k after July 1st bonus is paid out. Wonder how MLSEL feels when they pay out $25m in bonuses on July 1st to these annual choke artists.

Marner

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Matthews

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Nylander
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Tavares
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July 1, 2018 - Let's give everybody a NMC the last two years of JT's contract as a reward for the SCs they are going to win for us.

I can’t seem to find those? Are they in the cupboard behind all the series wins, conference finals or President’s trophies?

 

[Nineteen67]

Carlos Colaiacovo thinks they should keep Keefe?

 

[ToneDog]

I’m wondering is the feeling these guys just can’t win here or anywhere?
Say Matthews is a Cane or Marner a Knight, do those teams now not have success?

That is the 64K question. Maybe they can't win together. Maybe they can win with a better supporting cast and coach. I mean what has not been tried at this point ??

Seravelli scared the crap out of me this morning saying that the Rielly contract is gonna look bad in 3 years.

Dreger scared the crap out of me this morning saying he thinks they are bringing the 3 stooges back.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Mirtle: Amid chaos, getting Auston Matthews signed needs to be Maple Leafs' top priority

Keeping their 25-year-old superstar center through the rest of his prime needs to be a top Maple Leafs priority.

theathletic.com

And the media has been happy to pour gasoline on those flames over the past 48 hours. (“Blow it up” was the front page headline on one local newspaper this weekend.)

Amid the noise here, the Leafs oddly structured ownership triumvirate of Bell, Rogers and Larry Tanenbaum needs to not lose the forest for the trees. While some changes are clearly needed, a full clearcut would be madness given how long it took to build up from where this franchise was in 2016 when Matthews was drafted first overall.

Keeping their superstar center through the rest of his prime needs to be a priority. Honestly, the top priority, I’d say.

You can hire another coach. You can find another competent GM or president, if you need to. Locking in another 6-foot-3 center who can outscore almost anyone in the league? It’s just not going to happen.

A year ago at this time, it felt like a foregone conclusion Matthews would sign a third contract in Toronto. He was happy. The team was good and relatively stable and seemed to be moving in the right direction, even amid the playoff disappointment. A breakthrough felt — to the players, at least — like a matter of time.

Now, I’m not so sure it’s a slam dunk he will be eager to commit to whatever ensues this offseason. Especially if things go off the rails.

For one, Matthews and GM Kyle Dubas are close, and that relationship — and the player’s faith that they will have a strong roster under Dubas’ watch — has been important the past few years.

If Dubas walks, that definitely complicates things at least a little for the Leafs.

Can a new GM step in and reassure their top player that this is a franchise headed in the right direction? Can they sell Matthews on a new plan, one that involves, presumably, a new coach, a revamped front office and a dramatically different roster, one with some of his close friends shipped out?

I don’t think the Leafs can take that for granted here.

 

[thewave]

no real choice.

no time for a GM change with Matthews contract deadline July 1, 2023.

He could pull a Kawhi and go to Arizona for nothing.

Plenty of time. They keep him for the negotiations and this team is done, cooked for a decade, just watch.

 

[shortfuze]

Of course they will. Matthews demanded five years because the UFA years would be too expensive.
Marners contract fiasco was even worse. The time to move on is long overdue.

He didn’t demand anything. He wanted an 8 year deal.