Post-Game Talk: Leafs lose

[All Mod Cons]

What really boggles my mind, that after 5 years of severely underachieving in the playoffs, dubas was handed a contract extension from shanahan AND a contract from Pittsburgh new ownership. Like have you not seen the signings and trades he’s done!! I guess in the NHL you get rewarded for ineptitude…

Yeah, I find they don't often pay attention to what is around them.

And with Kyle, he was supposed to be this great out of the box thinker, and he was anything but. He practically traded with only 3 teams. Signed UFAs en masse hoping a couple would stick, and hired people from two organizations. He was one of the most predictable GMs in the NHL.

 

[ToneDog]

A rematch of with the Panthers, a time to show things are different, and nobody showed up, not one guy....not one coach....ridiculed again and nobody cares. The room has got to be a disaster.
The Sens and Sabres will eat us alive.
Already, Reaves is sick of these guys, WN gets run, and what happens? Domi slows down to the point he is on the bench, Bertuzzi goes for piss and never comes back, not a face wash, a slash, a cross check, a running of their players, nothing, nada, zippo.
Our D is the worst in the NHL.
The trainers are happy, no blood or sweat to get out of the unis.

They did the same thing last year except it was on the West coast. I'm waiting to see how they perform in November before I flush the season.

 

[Nineteen67]

The problem might be that Shanny is the guy who thinks this will work. He's said it many times, "we will win with this core". I just don't know if he meant SC or a game in round #2.

Either way, Dubas left Tre to pick up the pieces and Tre may have added to the mess this summer but it is way too early to shit on Tre and this group. Dubas inherited a gold mine and was given 5 years and more if he did not pull a PP on Shanny. Tre deserves more than a couple of games after inheriting what he did.

He inherited a team with some good pieces but not a complete team, a messy cap situation and limited resources. Treliving doesn’t come across as someone smart enough to fix the problems Dubas left.

 

[BallardEra]

If this continues into the 15-20 game mark then you have to wonder if the Leafs have tuned out Keefe. I know they like him but this reminds me of Caps and Boudreau era.

Caps were a run and gun team with Boudreau. He decided to switch up systems on the team to become more defensive and he was soon fired after that.

Constantly switching up your coaching identity gets the players to start questioning your coaching abilities.

Not saying this is happening with the Leafs but just throwing it out there.

 

[Fogelhund]

Dubas really screwed this team up, he overpaid matthews and marner to start. He gave taveras that minstoucity contract and he should have traded Reilly. If your highest paid d man can’t play and be effective on the power play you won’t be winning any cups. Because of reilly’s inept pp prowess, klingberg was brought in. This team is so poorly constructed treliving tried his best to fill holes but maybe buying name brand (domi klingberg etc) wasn’t the way to go and maybe no name (van reimsdyke and lucic) was a better option. Would have saved money on the cap to

Rielly was effective on the PP. Team was the #2 PP for the past few years.

Klingberg was brought it, because we needed more people who could move the puck out of the zone, as that was a major deficiency last playoffs.

 

[Nineteen67]

They did the same thing last year except it was on the West coast. I'm waiting to see how they perform in November before I flush the season.

November is the beginning of shinny season so they’ll likely be OK. The problem is they have those teams that hungry for the playoffs on their schedule.

 

[Anthrax442]

Not that I am panicking yet, I know that they will find their groove. The problem is that I don't believe in the coaching, the core and the support players to go deeper than 1st round in the playoffs.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Boston is off to a 3-0 start, first place in the division (yes, it is early) ho hum.

 

[ToneDog]

He inherited a team with some good pieces but not a complete team, a messy cap situation and limited resources. Treliving doesn’t come across as someone smart enough to fix the problems Dubas left.

Currently their best players are the ones left by Lou. 16, 34, 88 and 44. Jury is out on 37 and 60.

Tre is responsible for 3, 59, 11, 18 and 75.

The rest are on Dubas. 35, 91, 55, 78, 22, 64, 19, 23, 39.

Cowan looks promising.

 

[Arzak]

What he inherited was a great situation. A top tier team, all the important pieces on contract, ELC options, no anchors, and enough cap space and open secondary spots to put his mark on the team. Everybody deserves more than a couple games, but if Treliving screwed this up, it's on Treliving, and so far, all of his offseason moves look underwhelming.

I mean if you really believe it, compare it to the situation Dubas was in. Team had all the assets in the world , Matthew, Marner,Nylander, Kadri, signed Tavares because of pyjamas.

The best part is ONE playoff round win for all the assets we paid for rentals or just because we said we could and were too embarrassed to back out of the corner no one forced us into.

Tre inherited overpaid Marner,NMCs, aging JT and no draft picks compared to when Dubas took over.

 

[Suntouchable13]

The thing is, this division is going to be much tougher than before. You have Ottawa and Detroit coming in hot. Top 3 spot is not guaranteed. It was very easy last few seasons with not much competition beyond the top 3 or 4 teams. Don’t think for a second this will be a cakewalk to the top.

 

[Peasy]

Not that I am panicking yet, I know that they will find their groove. The problem is that I don't believe in the coaching, the core and the support players to go deeper than 1st round in the playoffs.

Think thats how 95% of us feel at this point lol.

 

[leafs in five]

I didn't watch but Domi/Kampf/Jarnkrok/Klingberg had good numbers 5v5 and they seem to be getting the most shit here. can't believe Marner couldn't make that pass on the 2-on-1, really nice play by Jarnk to turn the play around quickly. oh well.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Keefe is gonna die on this sword . Feels like when Babcock got canned

I dislike Keefe a hell of a lot but let's face it, it's not all on him. He's simply dressing the plugs his GM gave him...the fact that he's got a raw Minten on line 3 speaks volumes about how weak the bottom 6 is.

 

[DragoGrizzly]

Yeah I’m willing to give this team more than 4 games (2-2) to show signs of gelling. First 10 games of every season are always nutty. And I really don’t get this taking sides crap in regards to past and present GMs. It’s the Leafs. I cheer for the Leafs. Cheered for Dubas, now I’m cheering for Treliving. Setting yourself up this early as being on the side of one and not the other is just freaking silly.
On the game, I thought McCabe had his best effort last night. Looked more like what I thought we were getting from Chicago. As expected, I was thoroughly frustrated watching Florida’s flip and chase playstyle. It’s like their entire strategy hinges on the puck bouncing their way when being flipped out of their zone. They did seem to want it more than the Leafs last night which I didn’t like seeing. Hope the battle level picks up.

 

[ACC1224]

Defensive side of the game looked better, that's something.

Still laughing at the OP blaming Reaves for the loss.

 

[ToneDog]

I mean if you really believe it, compare it to the situation Dubas was in. Team had all the assets in the world , Matthew, Marner,Nylander, Kadri, Rielly, Andersen, Hyman, Brown, Kapanen, AJ, signed Tavares because of pyjamas.

The best part is ONE playoff round win for all the assets we paid for rentals or just because we said we could and were too embarrassed to back out of the corner no one forced us into.

Tre inherited overpaid Marner,NMCs, aging JT, Gio and Brodie, terrible McCabe and no draft picks compared to when Dubas took over.

We need upgrades to 5 of our 6 dmen IMO. Good luck Tre.

 

[Nineteen67]

Currently their best players are the ones left by Lou. 16, 34, 88 and 44. Jury is out on 37 and 60.

Tre is responsible for 3, 59, 11, 18 and 75.

The rest are on Dubas. 35, 91, 55, 78, 22, 64, 19, 23, 39.

Cowan looks promising.

Going in ,the off-season champions, had unanswered questions around coaching, the entire D, bottom 6 atop 6 wingers, and goaltending. Some get answered positively some don’t.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Defensive side of the game looked better, that's something.

Still laughing at the OP blaming Reaves for the loss.

He has an agenda to push the narrative.

 

[Peasy]

Man wtf happened to our 5 on 5 play... Matthews was the best 5 on 5 goal scorer for so long. We turning into the Oilers, being so reliant on our PP to win games.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Yeah I’m willing to give this team more than 4 games (2-2) to show signs of gelling. First 10 games of every season are always nutty. And I really don’t get this taking sides crap in regards to past and present GMs. It’s the Leafs. I cheer for the Leafs. Cheered for Dubas, now I’m cheering for Treliving. Setting yourself up this early as being on the side of one and not the other is just freaking silly.
On the game, I thought McCabe had his best effort last night. Looked more like what I thought we were getting from Chicago. As expected, I was thoroughly frustrated watching Florida’s flip and chase playstyle. It’s like their entire strategy hinges on the puck bouncing their way when being flipped out of their zone. They did seem to want it more than the Leafs last night which I didn’t like seeing. Hope the battle level picks up.

None of what you said is wrong. They will probably get 110+ points again (but it won’t be easy as previous years), but why do you think this movie will end differently in the spring? I don’t have a lot of hope that all of a sudden this is a different team. Same core, just another year with a shuffling of the deck in terms of the bottom 8 forwards. D is very suspect, so is the goaltending. So what is exactly different?

 

[Fogelhund]

Remember the forum melt down last year, after we lost a couple of games? I get it, but you don't get too excited about a few games either way. Plenty of problems with this squad, but it's still early on, lots of new parts, and they are learning to play together, and to see what fits. At 20 or 30 games, if they are still playing this way... sure, then let'r rip... but have some patience... they've repeatedly shown they are at least a good regular season team.

 

[Nineteen67]

The thing is, this division is going to be much tougher than before. You have Ottawa and Detroit coming in hot. Top 3 spot is not guaranteed. It was very easy last few seasons with not much competition beyond the top 3 or 4 teams. Don’t think for a second this will be a cakewalk to the top.

Add Buffalo to the mix of hungry teams. It’s likely not all will make it but they will take points away from last yrs playoff teams. I don’t believe Bos, TB, FL, Tor, NYR, or NJD will all make the playoffs this yr.

 

[AvroArrow]

If this continues into the 15-20 game mark then you have to wonder if the Leafs have tuned out Keefe. I know they like him but this reminds me of Caps and Boudreau era.

Caps were a run and gun team with Boudreau. He decided to switch up systems on the team to become more defensive and he was soon fired after that.

Constantly switching up your coaching identity gets the players to start questioning your coaching abilities.

Not saying this is happening with the Leafs but just throwing it out there.

Defence is not the problem, defence has not been a problem for 3 years. It's depth scoring and consistent goaltending. Sammy has been f***ing garbage so far, there's no sugar coating it. The defence has been good enough, another game vs Florida with 1 goal, every game in the series vs them was 2 or fewer goals, 0 even strength goals.

This team is absolutely nothing like the Boudreau caps. The Carlyle Leafs were like that caps team.

Our stars don't show up consistently, they'll either destroy the opposition and pad their stats with 3-4 point games, or they'll get completely shutdown. We need consistent scoring. Scoring is as high as it's ever been in the Matthews era, Florida was without 3 of their best players and all we can generate is 1 goal?

This team needs to show up on time, we've been saying this for 20432432 years, 4 straight games we give up the first goal. They need to show up consistnetly, not score 6 goals one game and just 1 goal in the next, consistent scoring 3-4 goals a game. Matthews can't be the only one carrying the offense, Marner needs to be better and so does Tavares. Our 3rd line needs to start contributing. If Knies/Minten can't produce, sorry but send them down for another year. We need a reliable 3C who can win faceoffs and chip in offensively.

The challenge has legitimately been depth scoring and consistent play from our top 6. The defence has been more than good enough to win, and it's been like this for 3 years. The guys need to start showing up on time and show up every game, this pick and choose when to compete shit isn't gonna cut it.

 

[Nineteen67]

Remember the forum melt down last year, after we lost a couple of games? I get it, but you don't get too excited about a few games either way. Plenty of problems with this squad, but it's still early on, lots of new parts, and they are learning to play together, and to see what fits. At 20 or 30 games, if they are still playing this way... sure, then let'r rip... but have some patience... they've repeatedly shown they are at least a good regular season team.

Last season was about as predictable as you could get. The only thing I missed on was doing a rebuild after the playoffs. I still think that was Dubas’ goal, but he got overridden.