Post-Game Talk: Leafs lose

[ANDI P IS CUTE]

the real issue is shanahan.

 

[Racer88]

Nobody on this team going to do anything about Nylander getting hit from behind?
Ok.

Ya all these new leaf tough guys took exactly 3 games to turn into marshmallows

Realistically, at least 25-30 games. Hell, look at Florida last season. It took them until January to come together.

We should be concerned already, it’s not like this is an uncharacteristic slow start. This is the same crap we have seen for at least the last 5 years so basically nothing has changed except the names of a few peripheral players

 

[Racer88]

As long as Coach Keefe doesn't neuter him like I think he's did with our other tough boys in the past.

To late. He did nothing when Willy got smoked from behind

 

[Dekes For Days]

The old GM signed Tavares, which ultimately destroyed this teams cap flexibility and resulted in us losing Hyman and Kadri
The old GM got bent over by RFAs which added to our cap problems

The old GM signed Tavares (one of the best UFAs in the cap era - currently 7 points in 4 games), which was a good signing that helped elevate this team to a perennial top tier team.
The old GM re-signed all of our top RFAs to fair contracts consistent with the history of post-ELC contracts.

The departures of Hyman and Kadri were not about cap space, and what both brought to our team was pretty quickly and easily replaced.
The only thing that caused cap difficulties was an unexpected, once-in-a-century global pandemic that caused an unprecedented multi-year stagnation of the cap that caused cap difficulties for 90% of the league and pretty much every competitive team.

And our past GM was really good at maneuvering that leaguewide cap situation and getting efficient depth despite very little ELC depth options left for him from the previous regime/rebuild.

The new GM hasn't done anything except double down on what the old GM was doing - and do it worse.

His contracts are the reason why current management has no flexibility and cannot add the proper depth pieces.

We've had enough money for good depth every year, and that's without the ELC advantages Treliving has.
Treliving had plenty of money and flexibility to add depth pieces. It's not Dubas' fault he spent it all on overpaid mediocre depth that's not playing well right now.

What we have on the farm are bottom 6 forwards, and they won't add much IMO.

We have pieces on the farm with the potential to be more than bottom six forwards, but an effective bottom six is what we need anyway.

 

[AvroArrow]

The old GM signed Tavares (one of the best UFAs in the cap era - currently 7 points in 4 games), which was a good signing that helped elevate this team to a perennial top tier team.
The old GM re-signed all of our top RFAs to fair contracts consistent with the history of post-ELC contracts.

The departures of Hyman and Kadri were not about cap space, and what both brought to our team was pretty quickly and easily replaced.
The only thing that caused cap difficulties was an unexpected, once-in-a-century global pandemic that caused an unprecedented multi-year stagnation of the cap that caused cap difficulties for 90% of the league and pretty much every competitive team.

And our past GM was really good at maneuvering that leaguewide cap situation and getting efficient depth despite very little ELC depth options left for him from the previous regime/rebuild.

The new GM hasn't done anything except double down on what the old GM was doing - and do it worse.

We've had enough money for good depth every year, and that's without the ELC advantages Treliving has.
Treliving had plenty of money and flexibility to add depth pieces. It's not Dubas' fault he spent it all on overpaid mediocre depth that's not playing well right now.

We have pieces on the farm with the potential to be more than bottom six forwards, but an effective bottom six is what we need anyway.

LOL.

Hyman literally left because Edmonton offered him 5.5 and we couldn't afford to

Kadri was literally traded because our 2C was making 11M and we couldn't afford a 4.5M 3C. Also because the Tavares signing literally took Kadri's position and made it nearly 3x as expensive. Also because our dumbass old GM allocated half the cap to forwards and we desperately needed blueliners and then he got destroyed by Sakic in the Barrie and Kerfoot trade, literally might be a top 5 worst trade in Leafs history.

Our RFA's all bent Dubas over, no RFA in NHL history had gotten that much money, on that short term, with a full NMC. Not sure what you're talking about.

Laughable post.

 

[alliuk12]

Thought they looked alright. Alot of rust to shakeoff still.

And were is the rust from the other teams

 

[IPS]

Great breakdown from Corrado here on the Panthers 1st goal last night.

The usual suspects pretty well blamed Reaves exclusively for that goal

His error was pretty minor in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Hyman literally left because Edmonton offered him 5.5 and we couldn't afford to

We could have afforded 5.5m. The problem was signing him until he was 36; especially with his recent injuries. And Bunting immediately replaced Hyman for much cheaper.

Kadri was literally traded because our 2C was making 11M and we couldn't afford a 4.5M 3C.

No he wasn't. We literally had that setup originally, and the forward we got in return was only 1m less. He was traded because after a long history of discipline issues, he got suspended for two consecutive playoffs and couldn't be trusted.

Also because our dumbass old GM allocated half the cap to forwards and we desperately needed blueliners

For the record, we needed blueliners because Lou completely abandoned the position outside of creating a massive anchor in Zaitsev, Hainsey was in his late 30s, and Gardiner broke down with an injury that would essentially end his career. Not because we signed our top forwards.

and then he got destroyed by Sakic in the Barrie and Kerfoot trade, literally might be a top 5 worst trade in Leafs history.

Lol. You can't seriously believe that.
You clearly haven't looked back on the history of Leaf trades.
We're talking about a trade that - despite being a 2nd choice due to Kadri blocking option #1 - was a consensus Leaf win by even the harshest Leaf critics when it happened.

no RFA in NHL history had gotten that much money, on that short term, with a full NMC.

That's not true. NMCs are pretty common among players of that caliber, 5 and 6 year deals are common in top tier post-ELC contracts, and Matthews and Marner received the 6th and 10th most valuable post-ELC contracts in the cap era, term considered, as the (at worst) 5th and 6th best young players in the cap era through time of signing. There's nothing abnormal or bad about their contracts. The only thing abnormal and bad is how this fanbase treated them for getting fair contracts while they earned them and carried the team.

 

[Da Mash]

You trade for toughness but the defensiveless ugly head shows up.

You trade for scoring and they have one goal between both and that was only because of a bad giveaway.

As the season wears on you will see how useless Reeves is . The yapping and cheerleading will get old.

Playoff time he may throw some knuckles but in the end he is such a liability with the puck and defensively he will do you more harm then good IMHO

Was Burt overrated by the media ? And Domi career is on a trajectory to play with a lot of teams. Terrible defensively but has some offensive talent and grit but wins you nothing because he just disappears too often

Defence is a mess and fans want to trade Lilly?

It’s early but it does seem we have taken a step back. We will need to out score teams as our bottom six offers us nothing . I don’t mind having a kid line as our third line and I think Mitten can be a solid defensive 3rd line center.

 

[Nineteen67]

Interesting thought.

So you believe Shanny is and or was the one calling all the shots

It was insinuated by the Athletic cronies that Shanahan was involved. Maybe he just didn’t want Dubas trading one of the core without permission, which certainly makes sense.

 

[hamzarocks]

Great breakdown from Corrado here on the Panthers 1st goal last night.

There were mistakes there but god damn samsonov with a sieve goal

 

[egd27]

I don't recall too many Leafs "experiments" having gone particularly well over the past number of years. They have no patience to see any idea through.

Being far too patient with the Keefe experiment IMO

 

[Nineteen67]

There were mistakes there but god damn samsonov with a sieve goal

That was a darned good shot.