Post-Game Talk: Leafs lose

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Went through pre-season and now 4 games into the season and we have no idea what our lines are/should be… I supported Keefe in the past but there’s no one but the coach to blame for this.
 
I’ll continue giving Treliving the benefit of the doubt. The forwards look set once they find consistent chemistry.

The defence which he has not yet touched looks absolutely awful, goalies included. They’re not big enough, cannot handle a forecheck and are frequently out of position. For the fact that a lot of these guys are bad in their own end, it’s laughable that they provide very minimal offense to boot.
 
Domi, Bertuzzi and Klingturd are all terrible. They make the team worse. I cannot believe that they are paying that D plug over $4 million a year, just embarrassing.
This is silly. None of them are terrible. It's been four games. When Bertuzzi ends up with 75 points, you will likely be the first one praising him.
 
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How did we go from octobersen where our goalie would be a seive but team be good and novembersen where both would be to this

What a f***ing downgrade, I expect a 6 game win streak to make up for this
These clowns will show up in November as they always do. Probably best to not even bother watching the remaining October games.
 
It sucks to lose but as a positive: I liked Matthews and Nylander board play this game, they battled hard and without fear.
Giordano was terrific.
Bert had some nice vision and will surely produce at some point.
Knies working hard as well as Tavares once again.
And I guess the only other positive I noticed is that the leafs slightly outplayed a cup contender on their own barn. The effort is better this year


Mmmm not sure we watched the same game, im dont know how many time he lost possession of the puck on 1v1 battle... It was not a great game by nylander by far his worst....

Again 2 weak goal by samsonov late in 1st, so result leafs was running from behind all game. Rest of the game he was good especially in penalty kill but thats exactly what i hate from samsonov, weak goal at wrost time possible and put his team under pressure... unstead of coming back after 1 at 0-0 they was trailling 2-0 and all momemtum goes on florida side.

it was exactly whats happened in playoff...
 
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Yeah i'm usually supportive of most coaches but Keefe has had enough time and i don't think he's going to change anything. Sticks to basically same crap over and over and doesn't test anything enough.

Keefe is a good coach but he’s not the right coach for this group anymore. Like you said he’s not innovative and he doesn’t allow the young guys to play. Knies playing 11 minutes tonight is criminal
 
Tell me again what Kampf and jamcrock add to this team .
Playing kampf with a reeves type player eliminates his effectiveness and what he’s good at and to keefe this is obvious cause he doesn’t put him out on defensive zone draws it’s a prime example of gm not on the same page with the guy he inherited
 
Can we split up Matthews and Marner? When you’re mixing the lines trying to get something going WHY DO YOU KEEP MATTHEWS WITH MARNER AND TAVARES WITH NYLANDER and rotate players like Jarnkrok and Domi…
Because they like to play with each other and that is what matters most to the coaching staff and management. Management and coaching has always deferred to the core 4's wants and wishes so why would you think line combo's aren't also dictated by the players?

Why is he even playing if that’s the case, especially so early in the season?
Because it's Bertuzzi. The guy is always nursing injuries and in and out of the lineup.
Anyone expecting him to play a full 82 hasn't paid attention to his past. He's rarely healthy.
 
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Playing kampf with a reeves type player eliminates his effectiveness and what he’s good at and to keefe this is obvious cause he doesn’t put him out on defensive zone draws it’s a prime example of gm not on the same page with the guy he inherited
Makes you wonder if Shanahan wanted to keep Keefe while Treliving might have wanted to get rid of him.
 
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Because they like to play with each other and that is what matters most to the coaching staff and management. Management and coaching has always deferred to the core 4's wants and wishes so why would you think line combo's aren't also dictated by the players?


Because it's Bertuzzi. The guy is always nursing injuries and in and out of the lineup.
Anyone expecting him to play a full 82 hasn't paid attention to his past. He's rarely healthy.
By the core four you mean M&M right?🤨
 
Playing kampf with a reeves type player eliminates his effectiveness and what he’s good at and to keefe this is obvious cause he doesn’t put him out on defensive zone draws it’s a prime example of gm not on the same page with the guy he inherited

This makes no sense. Reaves is clearly 4th line, and because of all the pure offensive guys we signed up front, Kampf is clearly 4th line or you are forcing offensive guys to play defensively.

What lineup do you have with the signings that makes sense where Kampf is 3C and Reaves is 4RW since they should be split up?

Makes you wonder if Shanahan wanted to keep Keefe while Treliving might have wanted to get rid of him.

Treliving made all the signings, can you make a lineup that makes sense where Kampf and Reaves are split up? I know I can't.

Kampf is the odd man out as a pure defensive player, and no one else on the team is.

He fit well with guys like Engvall/Mikheyev/Kerfoot because they have similar skillsets, no one has those now.
 
Went through pre-season and now 4 games into the season and we have no idea what our lines are/should be… I supported Keefe in the past but there’s no one but the coach to blame for this.
You need more from our players. Theres no magic button to press
 
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It’ll be tough sledding early in the season while teams are rested and playing fast. Get through October and it should ease up some.
 

Reaves intagibles better be worth it because this guy stinks at hockey

This is why these analytics are a joke. Kampf is expected to score 90% of the expected goals?
:lol:

Am I legit in the matrix or where am I? In what world would you expect this guy to score more than once every two weeks? Let alone 90% of the time he's one the ice?
:biglaugh:
 
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Went through pre-season and now 4 games into the season and we have no idea what our lines are/should be… I supported Keefe in the past but there’s no one but the coach to blame for this.
Went through playoffs and summer and pre-season…..
 
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