Post-Game Talk: Leafs lose 4-3 in OT

[Larcos_Unal]

On another fun note to trigger folks out there:

Minimum 250 games coached, the top ten coaches in NHL history ranked by points%:

1. Sheldon Keefe
2. Brind'Amour
3. Bowman
4. Ruel
5. Cassidy
6. Cooper
7. Evason (Shout out to Dean Evason who turned that team around and proved the goalie/coaches meme)
8. Blake
9. Boudreau
10. Smith

That's nice, now do playoffs

 

[DraftSchmaft]

Willy earned the flak last night but I won’t go too hard on him given how he carried the team in multiple games earlier in the year including OT winners

62.5% points % through Nylander and JT with Matthews/Marner playing pond hockey and D+goalies stinking it up.

He earned a "nope" moment with Marchand. Especially in a year he needs a new contract.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Captain Lazy

One more year with that albatross cap hit is the only silver lining.

 

[Zybalto]

That's nice, now do playoffs

Never had a playoff goaltender.

Just ask the guy on that list with all the cups (Bowman). Cant win a cup without goaltending.

"Bowman, who won three champions in nine seasons with the Red Wings, likened having good goaltending to an NFL team finding its franchise quarterback.

"It was tough on goalies coming in (to the 1996-97 season), and it's still tough now," Bowman said. "The NHL is like the NFL. It's a quarterback league. You see it every time a team gets going, and they lose a quarterback, they (lose games). The NHL, the way it's played now, goaltending is a huge factor."

 

[ToneDog]

That's nice, now do playoffs

13-17 - .4333

Are we supposed to believe Keefe is a better coach than Bowman, Blake, Cassidy, and Cooper? The guy lost a 7 game series to Decharme, who's Habs sold at the TDL and fired him the following year.

Never had a playoff goaltender.

Just ask the guy on that list with all the cups (Bowman). Cant win a cup without goaltending.

"Bowman, who won three champions in nine seasons with the Red Wings, likened having good goaltending to an NFL team finding its franchise quarterback.

"It was tough on goalies coming in (to the 1996-97 season), and it's still tough now," Bowman said. "The NHL is like the NFL. It's a quarterback league. You see it every time a team gets going, and they lose a quarterback, they (lose games). The NHL, the way it's played now, goaltending is a huge factor."

So the same goalies that put him at the top of your regular season list were not playoff goalies. Got it.

 

[34]

Losers. The whole lot of them.

This team will never win anything ever as currently composed.

Poorly constructed team from the net out. Don’t be surprised if the Leafs miss the playoffs.

 

[Havoc]

Captain Lazy

This is more appreciation of Nylanders body of work this season than it is Tavares being lazy.

There's 5 seconds on the clock and the puck is on Nylander's stick. Every Leafs player, Bruins player (except Marchand because he thinks everyone besides himself is a loser) and fan in the world assumes the game is destined for shootout because Nylander has the puck on a string this year.

It's not surprising things were taken for granted and the mindset to have to back check was abandoned. What is surprising is that the resulting play happened after a Nylander carry.

If you also find it surprising Nylander out of all players caused the turnover, then you're indirectly admitting the odds of Tavares being ready for a solid back check was low. Let me reiterate the entire arena already moved their mindset to shootout.

 

[ToneDog]

Poorly constructed team from the net out. Don’t be surprised if the Leafs miss the playoffs.

At this point, it might be the only way Keefe is fired and Shanny stops the shenanigans. This core will never win a Cup Shanny. Wake the f*** up.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

13-17 - .4333

Are we supposed to believe Keefe is a better coach than Bowman, Blake, Cassidy, and Cooper? The guy lost a 7 game series to Decharme, who's Habs sold at the TDL and fired him the following year.


So the same goalies that put him at the top of your regular season list were not playoff goalies. Got it.

Bang on...which is it bud? lol

 

[A1LeafNation]

At this point, it might be the only way Keefe is fired and Shanny stops the shenanigans. This core will never win a Cup Shanny. Wake the f*** up.

Shitahan is the problem.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

This is more appreciation of Nylanders body of work this season than it is Tavares being lazy.

There's 5 seconds on the clock and the puck is on Nylander's stick. Every Leafs player, Bruins player (except Marchand because he thinks everyone besides himself is a loser) and fan in the world assumes the game is destined for shootout because Nylander has the puck on a string this year.

It's not surprising things were taken for granted and the mindset to have to back check was abandoned. What is surprising is that the resulting play happened after a Nylander carry.

If you also find it surprising Nylander out of all players caused the turnover, then you're indirectly admitting the odds of Tavares being ready for a solid back check was low. Let me reiterate the entire arena already moved their mindset to shootout.

Just your average toxic Toronto.

Hockey 101 says Tavares needs to be ready to have to play defence at all times, but it's gimmick 3 on 3 OT with Leafs seeming to have the last scoring chance if Nylander can thread the needle. Tavares fully committed to that. Players not back checking during these failed moments happens regularly.

This is such a non-story.

 

[Zybalto]

So the same goalies that put him at the top of your regular season list were not playoff goalies. Got it.

Playoffs are a different animal and you know it and yes, those same goalies are now universally considered to not be playoff goalies or clutch in any way. I think its a credit to Keefe and the rest of the team they somehow made Jack Campbell an all star. We need a goalie that can make a big save in a big moment like Tampa had in all those close late series 1-0 and 2-1 wins in their runs.

I dont think Tampa even sniffs a cup without Vasy in net. He was that special. He was a .920%+ goalie for nearly half a decade and led his teams to 2 cups while his backups combined for sub .900% and a garbage record.

How did Cooper's coaching magic fail when Vasy wasnt in the cage. It's astonishing. Elite coach with Vasy in net and scrub without him. What are your theories?

 

[Havoc]

Just your average toxic Toronto.

Hockey 101 says Tavares needs to be ready to have to play defence at all times, but it's gimmick 3 on 3 OT with Leafs seeming to have the last scoring chance if Nylander can thread the needle. Tavares fully committed to that. Players not back checking during these failed moments happens regularly.

This is such a non-story.

In this situation all you can do is say "oh f***" and hope the clock runs out before the puck goes in.

 

[IPS]

I dont think Tampa even sniffs a cup without Vasy in net. He was that special. He was a .920%+ goalie for nearly half a decade and led his teams to 2 cups while his backups combined for sub .900% and a garbage record.

Yeah weird.

You spend more money on goalies and you get better goaltending.

Tampa decided to invest in Vasi and it turned out to be a way better investment than our whole half the cap in 4 forwards thing.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Yeah weird.

You spend more money on goalies and you get better goaltending.

Tampa decided to invest in Vasi and it turned out to be a way better investment than our whole half the cap in 4 forwards thing.

I agree with this and it all comes back to the crux of all the problems, roster construction.

All the money tied up on soft forwards leaves little for the D, goaltending, and bottom of the lineup. Tampa's stars took a haircut and it allowed them to spread the wealth, even if it was as little as $1M each.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

In this situation all you can do is say "oh f***" and hope the clock runs out before the puck goes in.

Tavares deserves the benefit of the doubt as well since he's a work horse and always focusing on the little technical things every single game. Throwing him under the bus in this "wtf" 3 on 3 moment seems pointless.

 

[34]

Woll thinking he had the puck in his glove, but it was in the net was just comical. not a playoff team with this current D and goaltending.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Never had a playoff goaltender.

Just ask the guy on that list with all the cups (Bowman). Cant win a cup without goaltending.

"Bowman, who won three champions in nine seasons with the Red Wings, likened having good goaltending to an NFL team finding its franchise quarterback.

"It was tough on goalies coming in (to the 1996-97 season), and it's still tough now," Bowman said. "The NHL is like the NFL. It's a quarterback league. You see it every time a team gets going, and they lose a quarterback, they (lose games). The NHL, the way it's played now, goaltending is a huge factor."

He never had any skater with any balls either. You want a goalie to bail out this sad sacks of ball-less players?

 

[Zybalto]

Yeah weird.

You spend more money on goalies and you get better goaltending.

Tampa decided to invest in Vasi and it turned out to be a way better investment than our whole half the cap in 4 forwards thing.

You're party correct but also leaving out the context (like the fact the cap would be 10 millionish higher without covid screwing the Leafs worse than maybe any team in pro sports).

Andersen looked like a sure bet until repeated big game chokes and short side softies right? Campbell was an all star and a top 5 goalie in the NHL for a long stretch but now is considered a product of a great team. Having guys fool us into thinking they would be great in the playoffs. Wasting our time.

The bigger issue is who was even available. These guys dont grow on trees and are hoarded by anyone who comes across them. Even in hindsight, who would you have picked up?

Woll is the first guy who has intrigued me since prime healthy Andersen (maybe its a style thing) If the Leafs go on a big run, he'll be the guy to take them on it.

 

[ToneDog]

Playoffs are a different animal and you know it and yes, those same goalies are now universally considered to not be playoff goalies or clutch in any way. I think its a credit to Keefe and the rest of the team they somehow made Jack Campbell an all star. We need a goalie that can make a big save in a big moment like Tampa had in all those close late series 1-0 and 2-1 wins in their runs.

I dont think Tampa even sniffs a cup without Vasy in net. He was that special. He was a .920%+ goalie for nearly half a decade and led his teams to 2 cups while his backups combined for sub .900% and a garbage record.

How did Cooper's coaching magic fail when Vasy wasnt in the cage. It's astonishing. Elite coach with Vasy in net and scrub without him. What are your theories?

You cannot compare the Tampa teams from the past couple of years to the ones that won the 2 SCs. Like Chicago and LA, teams that win multiple cups suffer over time as a result of the cap. The cap has also eroded the Leafs over the past 5+ seasons. Unfortunately, we do not have the hardware and Keefe has not helped IMO.

 

[rumman]

Poor Nylander wearing the goat horns on that abhorrent turnover at center ice...

But on the bright side looks like Matthews is waking up, Woll is emerging as the reliable 1A, can't complain about the defense Lagesson and Benoit have been providing. Domi scores his first goal for the Leafs.

Amazing what a couple of steady stay at home D men can provide, now picture how a couple of higher calibre stay at home D men could provide. This team doesn’t need flash on the backend, they needs solid stability……….

 

[ToneDog]

He never had any skater with any balls either. You want a goalie to bail out this sad sacks of ball-less players?

Unfortunately, the previous GM did not realize that you cannot change the spots on this leopard at the TDL. You can surround them with all the toughness you want but if you are playing these ball-less players 20+ minutes/game, your team is pretty much ball-less.

 

[Zybalto]

You cannot compare the Tampa teams from the past couple of years to the ones that won the 2 SCs. Like Chicago and LA, teams that win multiple cups suffer over time as a result of the cap. The cap has also eroded the Leafs over the past 5+ seasons. Unfortunately, we do not have the hardware and Keefe has not helped IMO.

Just look at the 2 years Tampa won the cup.

When Vasy not in net:

2019-2020: 8-7-3
2020-2021: 5-7-2

Total: 13-14-5

Coopers greatest coaching strength was telling Vasy he was playing that night IMO. I think he's started every single playoff game in memory too. A true workhorse.

 

[thusk]

Yeah weird.

You spend more money on goalies and you get better goaltending.

Tampa decided to invest in Vasi and it turned out to be a way better investment than our whole half the cap in 4 forwards thing.

itd not because youre spending more money on goalie than you will necessairly got a better 1

vasilevskiy drafted
bennington drafted
holtby drafter
murray/fleury drafted
crawford drafted
quick drafted

83% of last stanley cup winner drafted their own staring goalie and its the most difficult positio to draft because you need to project those player in 5-6 year because most of goalie are not NHL ready until 23-24

 

[rumman]

C'mon mods - there's clearly Leaf haters posting as fans. Shouldn't Leaf fans have some sort of refuge from everywhere else on the net? Clean up this trash.

Just what the world needs, more censorship……..