Post-Game Talk: Leafs lose 3-1; lose series

[ShaneFalco]

It wasn't just losing either, it was coming out like a regular season game without any intensity. Same old story - changing the supporting cast isn't enough

 

[Oilers in NS]

Add big time to guy who's already said he's leaving?

They had interest in Marner before as well.

Only obstacle would be the cap for Columbus, not the dollars owed in Marner's contract.

Im pretty sure GM for Columbus has watched Marner in playoffs.

 

[Bruinfanatic]

Many right away said the Foligno trade was an overpayment especially considering the leafs have yet to make it out of the 1st round. Rather save the picks until we can prove we can get out of the 1st round. If the addition of Foligno was needed to get the leafs past the Habs the core is f***ed anyways

I forgot they had even gotten Foligno did he get any points?

 

[Twine Tickler]

What messes? Without $11M to JT (not a necessity to a young rebuilding team) and $11m to Marner (instead of a market price of maybe $9 and that's a big maybe) there is absolutely no mess.

Dubas created the mess by not remaining patient for another season, and his "fans" lay the blame at the feet of Lou over the Marleau / Zaitsev contracts.

Kid Kyle saw his chance at Tavares and put his need for adoration by the fans and media ahead of the long term good of the franchise. Now he's shopping the clearance racks for anyone from the GTA that wants another payday to play for the Leafs.

Option 1. (Lou)
Patrick Marleau (6.25Mil AAV) + Nakita Zaitsev (4.5Mil AAV) = 10.75Mil AAV

Option 2 (Kyle)
John Tavares (11Mil AAV)

let me know what one you think is a better allocation of funds. I'll take option 2 personally


this is the perfect illustration of how Lou would have used that extra cap space he would have had by signing Matthews and Marner to lesser deals

 

[Superstar]

Im pretty sure GM for Columbus has watched Marner in playoffs.

Okay? So he'd rather lose Jones for nothing? Marner was a top 5 point producer in the regular season and will help any team make the playoffs. Columbus is a small market team that would be ecstatic for any sort of playoff revenue.

 

[Rokker]

Im pretty sure GM for Columbus has watched Marner in playoffs.

Marner played terrible, thats why I want him gone.

He could also single handedly get Colombus TO the playoffs again, they're a disaster right now as well.

Shakeups can happen.

 

[Stringer Bell]

I feel like some fans would rather have star power and go out in the first round, than a team of nobodies who makes it to the second.

 

[RomanianLeafs]

Any comments from Dubas and Matthews Yet?

 

[Twine Tickler]

I feel like some fans would rather have star power and go out in the first round, than a team of nobodies who makes it to the second.

I hear what you're saying for sure. There's a balance though. You don't build a team to make it to the 2nd round. You build a team to win the cup. At the end of the day, when was the last team of nobody's to win the cup? you need stars. But you also need those stars to play like stars. Ours haven't at all

 

[egd27]

oh please, with JT, we sweep the series.
the Marleau / Zaitsev contracts are 100% only Lou's fault, as they were Lou's deals.
what would remaining patient have changed from Perry's knee to Tavares's head?

Are you sure you quoted the right post? I was talking about the contracts Dubas handed out, not the excuses for the latest failure.

Yes the Zaitsev contract was bad.

 

[Twine Tickler]

what constitutes a bad contract???

In my opinion a bad contract is one that cannot be moved (ie. Zach Parise) or one that can be moved but at a cost.

Under Lou we had to give up value to get rid of 2 bad contracts of his.

should we get rid of Mitch's "bad contract" we will be getting equal value in return...why you ask??? well its because Mitch is a great player still.

pay the good ones, don't pay the marginal ones. that simple

 

[egd27]

Option 1. (Lou)
Patrick Marleau (6.25Mil AAV) + Nakita Zaitsev (4.5Mil AAV) = 10.75Mil AAV

Option 2 (Kyle)
John Tavares (11Mil AAV)

let me know what one you think is a better allocation of funds. I'll take option 2 personally


this is the perfect illustration of how Lou would have used that extra cap space he would have had by signing Matthews and Marner to lesser deals

Obviously option 2 if there is a choice between the two. But if I already own Option 1, I put on my big boy pants and recognize I can't afford Option 2 and figure out what I can afford.

That's what mature and experienced managers do. Inexperienced managers spend now and just kick the problem down the road until they are giving away decent assets out of desperation.

Can't wait to see what's on the clearance racks before next season. Maybe Jagr wants to make one more comeback.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Dubas has always wanted to fix the D too. Whenever an opportunity presents itself he goes for it. So I have faith this trade is on his radar.

Muzzin was a hit trade. Brodie is honestly a god send. So glad we have him next year.

If Jones is available and can be extended, I'm convinced Marner is finished here. The whole dynamic of the game changes if you have Jones on your team. A guy like Eichel will not have the same impact. It's time to go the more boring route and bring in the elite d-man over the elite forward.

Would be such a smart move and Toronto would terrify me to play against.

 

[egd27]

Under Lou we had to give up value to get rid of 2 bad contracts of his.

There you go again.......we had to give up value to get rid of Marleau's contract immediately in order to pay for the choices / poor negotiations made by Dubas. One more season and it was off the books and we keep the first (or use it for other assets)

The Zaitsev contract (while bad) did not have any urgency to unload without the Dubas signings.
Yes, it needed to be moved, but without the time constraint, a much more favorable deal could likely have been reached.

 

[stealth1]

Want to know how many of the top 20 paid players in league this year are still in the playoffs?

4 are still playing. That says a lot about how to build a team.

 

[Wrong Wilson]

Any comments from Dubas and Matthews Yet?

Matthews post game:


Nothing from Dubas yet. Probably trying to figure out WTF to say.

 

[yort2010]

Want to know how many of the top 20 paid players in league this year are still in the playoffs?

4 are still playing. That says a lot about how to build a team.

Or maybe the NHL doesn't know how to allow their stars to play in the playoffs. There is way too much interference and hooking and holding that is never called.

The fact the McDavid hasn't drawn a penalty in 2 playoffs is insane. Almost seems like the NHL wants to go back to the dead puck era.

 

[stealth1]

Or maybe the NHL doesn't know how to allow their stars to play in the playoffs. There is way too much interference and hooking and holding that is never called.

The fact the McDavid hasn't drawn a penalty in 2 playoffs is insane. Almost seems like the NHL wants to go back to the dead puck era.

Disagree. Look at the Avs top guys, they drive the play and the net. For some reason Matthews and Marner don't.

 

[Twine Tickler]

There you go again.......we had to give up value to get rid of Marleau's contract immediately in order to pay for the choices / poor negotiations made by Dubas. One more season and it was off the books and we keep the first (or use it for other assets)

The Zaitsev contract (while bad) did not have any urgency to unload without the Dubas signings.
Yes, it needed to be moved, but without the time constraint, a much more favorable deal could likely have been reached.

so let me get this straight. Kyle needs to sit idle and not improve the team until the mistakes of his predecessor have seen their way complete?

makes sense

totally Kyle's fault for improving the team

 

[AcerComputer]

I forgot they had even gotten Foligno did he get any points?

Can we get a refund?

 

[AcerComputer]

But Naz was just another player. I don't get why people think he was all that special haha. He was a 50 pt player that got suspended 2 playoffs in a row due to being unable to control himself. I just don't get the crazy love for the dude from this fanbase is all I guess...

As soon as Naz left the team lost heir identity. The team hasn't been the same since.

 

[mydnyte]

Or maybe the NHL doesn't know how to allow their stars to play in the playoffs. There is way too much interference and hooking and holding that is never called.

The fact the McDavid hasn't drawn a penalty in 2 playoffs is insane. Almost seems like the NHL wants to go back to the dead puck era.

i didnt see that in many of the other series, i mean a few Leafs players were bulldogged to the ground with no calls, and then there are pathetic stick check fouls called.
many other series were called like regular season games, which is how every game should be called, all season, and all playoff.

I'm sick and tired of the 2 sets of rules, and then, only called depending on the score, or which ref has a bias.

 

[keonsbitterness]

As soon as Naz left the team lost heir identity. The team hasn't been the same since.

The identity of losing in the first round? No, I think that's still there.

 

[Aus34Matt]

I thought it was joke it's actually real

 

[egd27]

so let me get this straight. Kyle needs to sit idle and not improve the team until the mistakes of his predecessor have seen their way complete?

makes sense

totally Kyle's fault for improving the team

Yea, that's what I said.

It's ok, I see you're dug in on the "there were no other options for poor Kyle" philosophy, so may as well move on.