Post-Game Talk: Leafs lose 3-1; lose series

[yort2010]

Lou Lamoriello took 3 seasons to turn this franchise from a laughing stock to one of respectability with a seemingly bright future. Kyle Dubas has taken 3 seasons turn them right back into the league's biggest laughing stock.

And to throw a cherry on top, I see that sad sack Islanders organization won their 2nd round game in Boston last night. What is that, 4 series wins since Lou took over? Oh but Auston wasn't allowed to grow his high school mustache.

Clean house........start with Shanahan

He did this by sucking and drafting high end talent in Mathews, Marner and Nylander. People need to stop jumping on Lou's stick here, he's the one who brought in an over the hill Marleau on that ridiculous contract and no need to talk about Nikita's contract, that was terrible as well.

 

[Thissiteisgarbage]

I've gotten to maximum apathy.
I'm not even upset anymore about these losses.I have accepted that the team are losers, promotes a weak, effete, losing culture and treats fans as nothing more than necessary financial resources.
I've never witnessed such a timid display in Game 7 my entire mid-50's life. It's obvious that they don't really care about game results, just contracts.

 

[Twine Tickler]

The problem is Dubas also seems to be a man of his word and he promised not to move any of the big 3 (plus JT) while he was GM. We will see very shortly if his word is more important than his success. I agree trading Marner for nothing would be madness. Needed to see how Marner did without Matthews that playoffs as both played really poorly and that is on Keefe for not splitting them up once. Honestly I think Keefe needs to go, worse than Babcock for favoritism. Thorton shouldn't have seen the 4th line let alone #1PP time. It is a joke.

The other issue is guys like Marner likely will not return market value due to the contract Dubas gave out so if you move him your not wining the trade. Nylander is the most obvious candidate in that he would likely get the best return however then you have traded your best playoff performer from the previous year. The leafs are not in a great spot to blow up the core without taking significant asset losses

to be honest, if Mitch were made available there would be a lineup of NHL teams calling to get his services. He is a player who struggles to play in the microscope of Toronto. His contract is big, but it is by no means unmanageable and realistically fair for a 100pt play (which he was on track for). Dealing Mitch will not be a problem at all. That said, we have to recognize that we are likely losing this trade. This team kind of reminds me of the Flyers with Richards and Carter. They were labelled as losers by the Flyers brass, and shipped out of town. Only to win the cup the following year with the Kings. We need to remember that Mitch is a special player. He hasn't proved his worth in the playoffs at all, but he is still extremely young. If we start the year with Mitch and Auston on our team, this is not the end of the world. Any deal for Mitch would almost have to be impossible to turn down.

We are still a very promising young team. We can't lose site of this. The dust will settle on this disappointment and the real work will have to get done.

as for Keefe, he made some questionable coaching decisions. I think the Thornton usage is a bit overplayed. Clearly this core needs some baby'ing as evident in the game yesterday. He was supposed to be a guiding light for them, which to some degree he was. Unfortunately it didn't work out. You can't healthy a respected vet like that though. There would be a mutiny. You don't have to understand it as a fan, but that's just how hockey works. I think his biggest mistake this series was challenging the goal in game 6. It was a clear goal, and ended up putting them down again leading to another goal. We win that game in regulation if Sheldon doesn't challenge. But all n all he's been good so far. And most importantly he works well with KD. Something thats massively important to the long term success of the club

 

[57 Years No Cup]

I return to a familiar hell with the boys in this forum.

Different year same story, the same family supporting the same team.

The players, coaches, GM's all change but we are still here.

Good Knight Leaf warriors, every year we show more heart than the men on the ice. See you next year.

 

[TheTotalPackage]

2 of the people laughing don't have NHL jobs.... and 1 has a HOF coach who has made a diamond out of a pile of shit. not sure I'd say anyone is laughing, but I'm confident we can add you to the list of who's crying

To be fair to Babcock, I wouldn't mind a gig where I get paid $6.25 million to sit home, stress free, without having to plan and prepare 24/7. All the while watching the team that got rid of me thinking I was the problem get no further ahead than where they were while I was there.

 

[Twine Tickler]

I think what will be interesting is KD has full trust in Sheldon. Something that he never had with Babcock. So if there is a core problem, Sheldon will know. Sheldon will know if he can win with Mitch and Auston. If he thinks these 2 cannot get it done when push comes to shove, he will address that with KD. I'm not sure the same would have happened if Babs was still in charge. Largely because Babs worked on his own agenda, and completely disregarded anyone else's opinions. The problems will be addressed guys. Deep breaths.

 

[AllDay28]

Bought a PS5 and it showed up at the door today.. a financial pick me up for these stupid f***ing leafs.

 

[Idunkmyoreos]

Historic Loss.

It's not possible to get lower than this.

Yee of little faith, I am confident that next year they will find a way to prove you wrong

 

[stealth1]

to be honest, if Mitch were made available there would be a lineup of NHL teams calling to get his services. He is a player who struggles to play in the microscope of Toronto. His contract is big, but it is by no means unmanageable and realistically fair for a 100pt play (which he was on track for). Dealing Mitch will not be a problem at all. That said, we have to recognize that we are likely losing this trade. This team kind of reminds me of the Flyers with Richards and Carter. They were labelled as losers by the Flyers brass, and shipped out of town. Only to win the cup the following year with the Kings. We need to remember that Mitch is a special player. He hasn't proved his worth in the playoffs at all, but he is still extremely young. If we start the year with Mitch and Auston on our team, this is not the end of the world. Any deal for Mitch would almost have to be impossible to turn down.

We are still a very promising young team. We can't lose site of this. The dust will settle on this disappointment and the real work will have to get done.

as for Keefe, he made some questionable coaching decisions. I think the Thornton usage is a bit overplayed. Clearly this core needs some baby'ing as evident in the game yesterday. He was supposed to be a guiding light for them, which to some degree he was. Unfortunately it didn't work out. You can't healthy a respected vet like that though. There would be a mutiny. You don't have to understand it as a fan, but that's just how hockey works. I think his biggest mistake this series was challenging the goal in game 6. It was a clear goal, and ended up putting them down again leading to another goal. We win that game in regulation if Sheldon doesn't challenge. But all n all he's been good so far. And most importantly he works well with KD. Something thats massively important to the long term success of the club

How many seasons are you going to wait for this core to show you they don't have that next gear it takes to win in the playoffs.

 

[egd27]

He did this by sucking and drafting high end talent in Mathews, Marner and Nylander. People need to stop jumping on Lou's stick here, he's the one who brought in an over the hill Marleau on that ridiculous contract and no need to talk about Nikita's contract, that was terrible as well.

I'm so fricking sick of hearing about how Marleau's third year was so devastating to this franchise. It's a piss poor excuse for the mistake after mistake made by Dubas.

From the Tavares signing to the Nylander hold out, to getting bent over by Matthews on term and Marner on dollars, his cap management in inexcusable.

A bad extra year of Marleau? GTFO out of here with that worn out excuse.

 

[egd27]

I think what will be interesting is KD has full trust in Sheldon. Something that he never had with Babcock. So if there is a core problem, Sheldon will know. Sheldon will know if he can win with Mitch and Auston. If he thinks these 2 cannot get it done when push comes to shove, he will address that with KD. I'm not sure the same would have happened if Babs was still in charge. Largely because Babs worked on his own agenda, and completely disregarded anyone else's opinions. The problems will be addressed guys. Deep breaths.

I think you are giving Sheldon far too much credit.

 

[Twine Tickler]

How many seasons are you going to wait for this core to show you they don't have that next gear it takes to win in the playoffs.

agreed, I think this core needs a shifting. But asset management in the cap era is critically important. You don't move a player of Mitch's quality without a quality return. If that deal is not available, you wait until it is. Either way we likely lose any deal involving Mitch. But if it gives us a brighter future I am all for it

 

[yort2010]

I'm so fricking sick of hearing about how Marleau's third year was so devastating to this franchise. It's a piss poor excuse for the mistake after mistake made by Dubas.

From the Tavares signing to the Nylander hold out, to getting bent over by Matthews on term and Marner on dollars, his cap management in inexcusable.

A bad extra year of Marleau? GTFO out of here with that worn out excuse.

You gtfo. Who said it was devastating? You said Lou was some awesome guy we should have kept. I was pointing out some ridiculous things he did as well.

 

[SweLeafsFan]

Never been more fed up with this team yet I know I will be here again when next season starts ready for more pain. What is wrong with me?

 

[Rickkins]

You do understand we just got beat by a team with less skill and more grit, right?

Believing that may be part of the problem. Plenty of skill on that Montreal team.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Matthews and Marner score 2 goals each and this is a short series, PP or not.

Is that too much to ask from 11m players?

 

[TheBeastCoast]

We are the early 2000 Ottawa Senators at this point.

 

[egd27]

You gtfo. Who said it was devastating? You said Lou was some awesome guy we should have kept. I was pointing out some ridiculous things he did as well.

I said Lou took the team from being a joke to being respectable. Dubas has taken them back to being a joke.

Simple facts

 

[Suntouchable13]

Pretty much how I feel...

Matthews and Nylander you keep I think, Tavares you have to, and then there are guys like Brodie and Hyman who I think deserve to stay. But beyond that I couldn't really care.

Even Hyman, how much money are you prepared to pay him. He wasn't good in this series. Maybe not 100% but still. If some team overpays, I say let him go if he wants. They shouldn't try to outbid anyone.

 

[HEAVY DUTY]

i'm not opposed to cleaning house by firing shanahan and dubas. i definitely think a major change needs to happen. either with the core or management change. this management group has already pissed away 5 years of matthews, marner and nylander's contract/careers by icing horrible teams. i don't trust them enough to right the ship. at least not anymore.

personally, i would like to hire Jeff Gorton as Dubas' replacement.

 

[rdogg]

Mike Babcock: There will be pain

 

[ANDI P IS CUTE]

DUBAS giving out those 3 contracts shouldve been fired right away.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

He did this by sucking and drafting high end talent in Mathews, Marner and Nylander. People need to stop jumping on Lou's stick here, he's the one who brought in an over the hill Marleau on that ridiculous contract and no need to talk about Nikita's contract, that was terrible as well.

Lou took a near basement rebuilding team and turned them into the franchise record in points in a mere three years. He wasn't perfect, but he got RESULTS. Oh yeah, it was "luck".

Same with the Islanders. Look at what he did with them. How many rounds have they won now? He sure is a lucky guy, eh? I wish we had such a "lucky" general manager. "It's not Lou. It's just that all the players and coaches he signed did well." It's absolutely insane.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

DUBAS giving out those 3 contracts shouldve been fired right away.

The flat out abuse I went through here for arguing that from the get go. I flat out knew this would be the end result and everyone would eventually wake up to it.

Watch, everyone here is going to act like they have always been critical of those contracts.

 

[ACC1224]

I'm so fricking sick of hearing about how Marleau's third year was so devastating to this franchise. It's a piss poor excuse for the mistake after mistake made by Dubas.

From the Tavares signing to the Nylander hold out, to getting bent over by Matthews on term and Marner on dollars, his cap management in inexcusable.

A bad extra year of Marleau? GTFO out of here with that worn out excuse.

This all day. 3rd year would have been inconsequential had the cap not been maxed out.