Confirmed with Link: Leafs hire new assistant coach Dean Chynoweth

[Bluelines]

One of my favourite broadway actresses.

She's ready for the challenge...TBH when you look like that who really cares if she is a good hockey coach...?

 

[Bluelines]

Having the personnel that they're responsible for getting the best out of in open rebellion is not exactly a strong defense for a manager of people (what a coach ultimately is)

Every coach is hired to be fired... every coach even Scotty Bowman, Barry Trots, and Joel Quenneville lost the room... it happens

 

[forecheck]

I guess Tocchet and Boudreau turned down the opportunity to assist a Head Coach they are more qualified then.

 

[forecheck]

You don't want the leafs to outspend their competition?

Be nice if the Leafs spent more money on an Experienced GM and Head Coach

 

[Cor]

Be nice if the Leafs spent more money on an Experienced GM and Head Coach

Because that’s worked so well in the past

 

[Dreakmur]

Having the personnel that they're responsible for getting the best out of in open rebellion is not exactly a strong defense for a manager of people (what a coach ultimately is)

The GM encouraged it, which didn’t help.

 

[Dreakmur]

Because that’s worked so well in the past

Last time we did that, the team went from last place to a 100+ point team…

 

[rumman]

Last time we did that, the team went from last place to a 100+ point team…

Perspective……

 

[TheBigFour]

Last time we did that, the team went from last place to a 100+ point team…

And yet that “105 point team” got dominated against bruins that year. They were lucky to make it to game 7 that year.
I would argue that 2018-2019 team was better than 2017-2018 team.

 

[Dreakmur]

And yet that “105 point team” got dominated against bruins that year. They were lucky to make it to game 7 that year.
I would argue that 2018-2019 team was better than 2017-2018 team.

The Bruins were a 112 point team…

 

[Cor]

Last time we did that, the team went from last place to a 100+ point team…

So we’re touting regular season success now? In that case, we just had an even better regular season despite needing to pay the star players who led that 100+ team actual contracts without the privilege of having them on ELC’s and wasting the extra money on Patrick Marleau and Nikita Zaitsev

 

[Dreakmur]

So we’re touting regular season success now? In that case, we just had an even better regular season despite needing to pay the star players who led that 100+ team actual contracts without the privilege of having them on ELC’s and wasting the extra money on Patrick Marleau and Nikita Zaitsev

We’re looking at what happened and evaluating it. The team was bad and it became good. Yes they lost on the playoffs, but it was always to a better team - Washington and Boston were legit contenders.

Zaitsev is a good #4 defenseman. That contract is too long, but 4.5 for a good #4 isn’t unreasonable.

 

[Cor]

We’re looking at what happened and evaluating it. The team was bad and it became good. Yes they lost on the playoffs, but it was always to a better team - Washington and Boston were legit contenders.

Zaitsev is a good #4 defenseman. That contract is too long, but 4.5 for a good #4 isn’t unreasonable.

And who made them bad? A couple of "experienced" GM's.

My point is, there's zero correlation with success between an experienced coach/gm and a fresh coach/gm. Zero. We have done both, and have had mixed results with both, and most importantly, neither have managed to get us the Stanley Cup.

Dubas' fault, will likely be his loyalty to the core of this team, and refusal to shake it up. He's taken different approaches to the supporting cast of the team during his couple season stint, and it's objectively made some very good additions to the team to surround the core with. However they haven't looked at the core, despite now repeated amount of times of them not earning their keep when they should be stepping their game up. Matthews and Marner want to wear letters on their jersey so bad, but neither have been able to step up when it matters.

It appears he and Shanahan have decided to live/die on that sword. Will it work? Maybe. Maybe we surprise and compete with Tampa for the division this season, and make a run and advance out of the divisional playoff rounds, and Matthews and Marner produce like they should, and everyone becomes happy. Maybe we struggle to make the playoffs, get knocked out in round 1, and MLSE cleans house.

 

[Dreakmur]

And who made them bad? A couple of "experienced" GM's.

It was bad before they got here. They deliberately made it really bad in an attempt to get high picks. How'd that work out?

 

[Cor]

It was bad before they got here. They deliberately made it really bad in an attempt to get high picks. How'd that work out?

Brian Burke and Dave Nonis did not deliberately make the team bad lmao. Burke's key line when he got here, was "Screw the Pittsburgh model" in the sense of intentionally being bad to get high picks. He immediately came in and made additions to the team to try and improve. It wasn't until Shanahan came in, as a "inexperienced President" evaluated the team, and came to the conclusion we had to burn everything down and do it properly.

 

[Dreakmur]

Brian Burke and Dave Nonis did not deliberately make the team bad lmao. Burke's key line when he got here, was "Screw the Pittsburgh model" in the sense of intentionally being bad to get high picks. He immediately came in and made additions to the team to try and improve. It wasn't until Shanahan came in, as a "inexperienced President" evaluated the team, and came to the conclusion we had to burn everything down and do it properly.

And who did Shanahan hire to execute his vision?

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Brian Burke and Dave Nonis did not deliberately make the team bad lmao. Burke's key line when he got here, was "Screw the Pittsburgh model" in the sense of intentionally being bad to get high picks. He immediately came in and made additions to the team to try and improve. It wasn't until Shanahan came in, as a "inexperienced President" evaluated the team, and came to the conclusion we had to burn everything down and do it properly.

Burke and Nonis killed da team .. brutal trade to bring in Kessel for Seguin and Hsamilton

 

[Avilaj07]

I'm not saying Babcock was a great coach for us or what not, and he definitely made some extremely stupid decisions but one thing he did do was not give in to the younger players and made them earn their time. I understand our best players are the core 4 but I can't help but feel that Keefe is hesitant to do anything regarding the lines that might upset them. A perfect example was these past playoffs and not separating Matthews and Marner when clearly there was nothing happening there. It's the playoffs, it's do or die time. You don't have time to waste to wait and hope something happens, you need to be decisive and go with who's playing the best.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Tough man who could dish .. knows solid defensive principles .. to me a much better hire than Hakstol .. an improvement to team for sure ..

 

[kevsh]

As long as he fixes the PP and gets Marner either off the PK or makes him stop never try to flip the puck out I'm happy. I'd rather take him off because while he has been decent, he always thinks offence first and thats costly sometimes

Every time he flips the puck in the playoffs he has to do 20 pushups on the spot.

Worked in Major League.

 

[Bluelines]

Be nice if the Leafs spent more money on an Experienced GM and Head Coach

I'd love to see what David Poile could do as Leafs GM. The guy was born in Toronto too.

 

[Cor]

And who did Shanahan hire to execute his vision?

He brought in Lou for the short-term and Dubas for the medium & long-term.

Im not sure what your point is here.

What does this have to do with the fact that experience level has no correlation with future success in hockey management and coaching?Honestly, it’s not even an arguable thing, so I’m not sure what this dance around goal posts you are doing is.

There’s experienced people who get hired and do really well, and some that do poorly. There’s inexperienced people who get hired and do really well, and some that do poorly.

That’s a matter of fact.

 

[ACC1224]

He brought in Lou for the short-term and Dubas for the medium & long-term.

Im not sure what your point is here.

What does this have to do with the fact that experience level has no correlation with future success in hockey management and coaching?Honestly, it’s not even an arguable thing, so I’m not sure what this dance around goal posts you are doing is.

There’s experienced people who get hired and do really well, and some that do poorly. There’s inexperienced people who get hired and do really well, and some that do poorly.

That’s a matter of fact.

Yep and as luck would have it the Leafs are stuck with the ones that do poorly.

 

[Captain Crunch]

I'm not saying Babcock was a great coach for us or what not, and he definitely made some extremely stupid decisions but one thing he did do was not give in to the younger players and made them earn their time. I understand our best players are the core 4 but I can't help but feel that Keefe is hesitant to do anything regarding the lines that might upset them. A perfect example was these past playoffs and not separating Matthews and Marner when clearly there was nothing happening there. It's the playoffs, it's do or die time. You don't have time to waste to wait and hope something happens, you need to be decisive and go with who's playing the best.

I have been thinking the same thing regarding Babcock and him not giving in to the “core” forwards. And I think Keefe (and Dubas) are the exact opposite. Makes you wonder who is really in charge.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

He brought in Lou for the short-term and Dubas for the medium & long-term.

Im not sure what your point is here.

What does this have to do with the fact that experience level has no correlation with future success in hockey management and coaching?Honestly, it’s not even an arguable thing, so I’m not sure what this dance around goal posts you are doing is.

There’s experienced people who get hired and do really well, and some that do poorly. There’s inexperienced people who get hired and do really well, and some that do poorly.

That’s a matter of fact.

You don't bring a ROOK into da PRIME time NHL gig ..you find a young rock star who learned/won somewhere else and then steal him over with progressive $$$$ based on ongoing performance.. like Detroit did with Stevie Y