Confirmed with Link: Leafs go 4-4-1 in expansion, Dermott, Kerfoot, McCann, exposed

[KuleminFan41]

Last two years:

Muzzin W/ Holl: 56.7gf%, 57.2xgf%
Muzzin w/o Holl: 53.2gf%, 51.4xgf%

Much better with Holl than without.

Please don't tell me you're trying to suggest a Stanley cup winning defencemen like Muzzin (who was important to the Kings) is some how being elevated by Justin Holl of all people lol. The Leafs lost back to back playoff series after Muzzin went down with injuries against Columbus and Montreal. Leafs even lost the game he got injured in and lost the following game 7 to Montreal just this season. This love affair some have with Holl is next level ridiculous

 

[kb]

not true and dont forget to add the 2 assets lost in acquiring mccann

You are wrong again.

No surprise.

You have yet to be right, about anything.

 

[notbias]

A lot of fans are confused why we traded for McCann only to expose him in order to prevent losing Kerfoot/Dermott. I still can't make sense of it.

I think it is extremely simple.

We either picked up Kerfoot's replacement or expansion fodder so we don't need to get his replacement, and this was done cheaply because of the draft. I doubt his price is a 7th + Hallander next week.

 

[Leafslet]

Cute that you're wrong about two things in one sentence.

thanks, I am cute. what'cha upto later tonight?

 

[The Podium]

Please don't tell me you're trying to suggest a Stanley cup winning defencemen like Muzzin (who was important to the Kings) is some how being elevated by Justin Holl of all people lol. The Leafs lost back to back playoff series after Muzzin went down with injuries against Columbus and Montreal. Leafs even lost the game he got injured in and lost the following game 7 to Montreal just this season. This love affair some have with Holl is next level ridiculous

I think he is trying to say Muzzin and Holl make a very good pairing. Muzzin away from Holl is still a very good D, Holl away from Muzzin less so. But together they are more than the sum of their parts.

 

[The Podium]

A lot of fans are confused why we traded for McCann only to expose him in order to prevent losing Kerfoot/Dermott. I still can't make sense of it.

It’s either you acquire the replacement before when it’s cheap or after when it’s expensive. If McCann is taken, Kerfoot can resume his position, although personally I’d prefer if he was upgraded.

However, with that said, I think Hakstol was Toronto’s side deal and they have an arrangement with Seattle.

 

[Racer88]

Well, I'm in shock.

Tell me how it's not true.

It sounded pretty freaking true to me……lol

 

[Throw More Waffles]

I think it is extremely simple.

We either picked up Kerfoot's replacement or expansion fodder so we don't need to get his replacement, and this was done cheaply because of the draft. I doubt his price is a 7th + Hallander next week.

Kerfoot makes 3.5 mil and paced for 11 goals/30 points over 82 last year.

Why in heavens name would we try and protect this player, or fear finding a replacement for him?

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Last two years:

Muzzin W/ Holl: 56.7gf%, 57.2xgf%
Muzzin w/o Holl: 53.2gf%, 51.4xgf%

Much better with Holl than without.

Now do Holl's numbers without Muzzin. They worked well together but Muzzin was very much the guy that carried that pairing.

While I don't think you can replace Holl with just any plug, I really think Muzzin can be a Loverde type of mentor for Liljegren and elevate his game at this level until he settles in.

Liljegren with Muzzin in extremely limited 5 on 5 numbers:

75.0 gf%
63.89 xgf%

Without:

12.0 gf%
41.42 xgf%

While you should expect both sets of numbers to progress towards the mean, Liljegren can benefit big time from Muzzin and probably be better in that role than Holl was.

 

[Racer88]

I think he is trying to say Muzzin and Holl make a very good pairing. Muzzin away from Holl is still a very good D, Holl away from Muzzin less so. But together they are more than the sum of their parts.

Until the playoffs and Muzzin gets his yearly playoff injury

 

[Menzinger]

Now do Holl's numbers without Muzzin. They worked well together but Muzzin was very much the guy that carried that pairing.

While I don't think you can replace Holl with just any plug, I really think Muzzin can be a Loverde type of mentor for Liljegren and elevate his game at this level until he settles in.

Liljegren with Muzzin in extremely limited 5 on 5 numbers:

75.0 gf%
63.89 xgf%

Without:

12.0 gf%
41.42 xgf%

While you should expect both sets of numbers to progress towards the mean, Liljegren can benefit big time from Muzzin and probably be better in that role than Holl was.

He's got great potential, But it's doubtful Liljegren can be a 21 minute a night D man as soon as next season. Hes got 12 career NHL games.under his belt at this point.

He needs to prove he can be a reliable bottom pair D first.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

It’s either you acquire the replacement before when it’s cheap or after when it’s expensive. If McCann is taken, Kerfoot can resume his position, although personally I’d prefer if he didn’t.

However, with that said, I think Hakstol was Toronto’s side deal and they have an arrangement with Seattle.

If Seatle takes Kerfoot that 100% means that Dubas had some deal in place.

Look how easy this decision is.

Player A: 26 years old. Paced for 11 goals/30 points over 82 last year. 3.5 mil aav.

Player B: 25 years old. Paced for 26 goals/60 points over 82 last year. 2.9 mil aav.

It's no contest.

 

[DcW]

Guess it came down to who the front office values more. Obviously in their minds it’s Holl. McCann is security that they have 3C/2LW in their pocket. Not how I would have done it but there is logic to it.

I think the frustration is this team is looking more and more like they’re stuck in no mans land. Not good enough to contend but not bad enough to get better via drafting. The miserable middle, which is awfully boring and breeds apathy

 

[ottomaddox]

Amazes me how attached people are to players on a team that's won nothing .

I was getting attached to Jared and Subway sandwiches, but that might end on Wednesday.

 

[The Podium]

If Seatle takes Kerfoot that 100% means that Dubas had some deal in place.

Look how easy this decision is.

Player A: 26 years old. Paced for 11 goals/30 points over 82 last year. 3.5 mil aav.

Player B: 25 years old. Paced for 26 goals/60 points over 82 last year. 2.9 mil aav.

It's no contest.

Kerfoot had limited PP time (0:36/GP) and had 20 ES points good for 150th in the league. That is top 6 production while being a pretty reliable two-way player.

2021 Playoffs: 7GP 1G 5A 6Pts

McCann was 5th on the Penguins in PP time (1:59/GP) and had 10 of his 32 points on the PP. He also had a pretty unsustainable s% this year.



2021 Playoffs: 6GP 0G 1A 1Pts

I do prefer McCann's potential, especially defensively and as a shakeup to a semi major part of the lineup. However he has had some playoff struggles and is arbitration eligible in a years time so his AAV might end up being worse ultimately.

It isnt as black and white as you are making it seem.

Regardless its a moot point, I bet he's not taken. Like I said, Im expecting a "you scratched my back now Ill scratch yours" agreement between Francis and Dubas. Dubas had to give Hakstol permission to go.

 

[kb]

Biggest Question/Criticism:

If Kerfoot gets selected in the expansion draft, what's left from the Kadri trade? Calle Rosen?

News flash.....Kadri would have been exposed in the expansion draft too.

 

[Leafs at Knight]

I hope some of you guys didn't get overly attached to McCann already.

 

[The Podium]

Now do Holl's numbers without Muzzin. They worked well together but Muzzin was very much the guy that carried that pairing.

While I don't think you can replace Holl with just any plug, I really think Muzzin can be a Loverde type of mentor for Liljegren and elevate his game at this level until he settles in.

Liljegren with Muzzin in extremely limited 5 on 5 numbers:

75.0 gf%
63.89 xgf%

Without:

12.0 gf%
41.42 xgf%

While you should expect both sets of numbers to progress towards the mean, Liljegren can benefit big time from Muzzin and probably be better in that role than Holl was.

I also want Lilly to get some minutes in, but I imagine him being a Dermott replacement more so than a Holl replacement.

 

[Leafs at Knight]

Holl is barely an NHL defenceman.
He’s top 4 on a bad Leaf team.
Dermott is younger/cheaper and way more upside.
Holl is a dog.
Maybe a number 8.

The only thing worse than this post is someone actually gave it a like.

 

[080]

A lot of fans are confused why we traded for McCann only to expose him in order to prevent losing Kerfoot/Dermott. I still can't make sense of it.

What's so challenging about this? Dubas was hedging. It was also an opportunity to buy low on McCann.

If Seattle takes Dermott then we still have two good and relatively cheap options that can play 3C or LW; if Seattle takes Kerfoot than we still have McCann and vice versa; or we have a trade asset that's better than Hallander.

Dubas essentially gave up Hallander and a 7th to Seattle.

 

[OVO16]

Holl isn't a terrible defenseman but he's just too soft for my liking. How are you 6'3 and 210 lbs...but can't move a needle in front of the net or along the boards. Constantly getting hit and knocked off the puck.

The leafs have way too many Tall/Big Guys with zero mean streak.

Engvall
Holl
Marincin
Mikheyev
Frederick Gauthier (before)

It just riles me up thinking about it

 

[Mess]

What's so challenging about this? Dubas was hedging. It was also an opportunity to buy low on McCann.

If Seattle takes Dermott then we still have two good and relatively cheap options that can play 3C or LW; if Seattle takes Kerfoot than we still have McCann and vice versa; or we have a trade asset that's better than Hallander.

Dubas essentially gave up Hallander and a 7th to Seattle.

& Kerfoot if that is their pick.

The price of McCann is essentially Kerfoot, Hallander and 7th.

 

[The Podium]

& Kerfoot if that is their pick.

Well... It would only be Kerfoot if thats there pick...

 

[jaric1862]

McCann will be in our top six.

At this point he could play either, still have to see how the roster shapes out.

 

[Mess]

Well... It would only be Kerfoot if thats there pick...

If McCann is Kerfoot replacement issuance as some are selling this, then it also cost them Hallander and 7th as well as all 3 assets are out the door if we're left with only McCann at the end .