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Confirmed with Link: Leafs go 4-4-1 in expansion, Dermott, Kerfoot, McCann, exposed

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Mess said:
& Kerfoot if that is their pick.

The price of McCann is essentially Kerfoot, Hallander and 7th.
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OR you could say hallander and a 7 to seattle and kerfoot for mcann if they draft kerfoot .. many machinations depending where you are on the dubas meter LOL
someone was going to seattle regardless ... that part of the equation is always there
 
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The Leafs need a true shut down 2nd pairing RD Defenseman like a

David Savard
Eric Cernak
Scott Mayfield
Brandon Carlo
Josh Manson
Mackenzie Weegar
Jeff Petry
Adam Larsson
Brett Pesce
Matt Dumba
Nic Jenson
ETC..

Holl is aint cutting it
 
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Throw More Waffles said:
Kerfoot makes 3.5 mil and paced for 11 goals/30 points over 82 last year.

Why in heavens name would we try and protect this player, or fear finding a replacement for him?
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Because points are not the only thing that matters.
He can play up and down the lineup, any forward position, he PKs and is responsible defensively.
He is also a career 40pt player, so he is paid appropriately.
 
OVO16 said:
The Leafs need a true shut down 2nd pairing RD Defenseman like a

David Savard
Eric Cernak
Scott Mayfield
Brandon Carlo
Josh Manson
Mackenzie Weegar
Jeff Petry
Adam Larsson
Brett Pesce
Matt Dumba
Nic Jenson
ETC..

Holl is aint cutting it
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Poor cap management has forced us to hunt for bargain contracts rather than building a good roster. Holl isn't a good #4 defenseman, but we can't afford a good one....
 
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I do wonder how much of the "we're indifferent between McCann/Kerfoot, no side deal" rumour is leaked gamesmanship to keep the price down.

If there is a gap, what's it worth? Because that asset becomes part of the cost for McCann. Outside of Robertson/Sandin/Amirov/Liljegren/Niemela/2022 1st I can't really think of another unprotected/exempt asset that I'd be mad at being the "x" in
x+Hallander+7th for McCann
 
Puckstuff said:
Some major underrating of Holl. He was a monster for the first 40 games of the year, looking like a #2 d-man who's a 6'4 RD. He regressed towards the end of the year but he wasn't as bad as some people are saying. At his contract you just can't leave him exposed with his upside to return back to form.
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YUP...agree.
If Leafs had Brodie and another top 4 RHD and Holl was killing penalties and on the 3rd pair we would like him just fine.
 
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The Podium said:
Kerfoot had limited PP time (0:36/GP) and had 20 ES points good for 150th in the league. That is top 6 production while being a pretty reliable two-way player.

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McCann was 5th on the Penguins in PP time (1:59/GP) and had 10 of his 32 points on the PP. He also had a pretty unsustainable s% this year.



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I do prefer McCann's potential, especially defensively and as a shakeup to a semi major part of the lineup. However he has had some playoff struggles and is arbitration eligible in a years time so his AAV might end up being worse ultimately.

It isnt as black and white as you are making it seem.

Regardless its a moot point, I bet he's not taken. Like I said, Im expecting a "you scratched my back now Ill scratch yours" agreement between Francis and Dubas. Dubas had to give Hakstol permission to go.
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I just don't think any of this would happen in reverse.

If Nylander scored 30 goals/70 points, we wouldn't look at a 10 goal/35 point player and say "He's just as good, just had less pp time". I'm sorry, it just doesn't happen in reverse.

Seatle is going to choose McCann because he was REMARKABLY better last year, a year younger, and cheaper. There's no contest here.

Although, I do agree that Dubas may have some deal with the Kraken for them to pick Kerfoot. Taht's what I'm hoping for anyways.
 
Mess said:
If McCann is Kerfoot replacement issuance as some are selling this, then it also cost them Hallander and 7th as well as all 3 assets are out the door if we're left with only McCann at the end .
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Seattle was going to take a player no matter what, Why do you ignore the reality 1 of those assets were going to go no matter what?

If there was no trade. Seattle would have taken Kerfoot, Holl, or Dermott.

The only reason to include an asset that was going to go for nothing even if there was no trade as part of the of the deal is to dishonestly misprepresent the cost of the deal.

The Leafs are bad enough in reality, there is no need to lie about things to make them seem even worse.
 
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IPS said:
Where does Justin Holl fit on a legitimate contending team?
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3rd pair.

6'4", can PK and is a decent skater.
+5 in the playoffs and +16 with a solid 20 points in 55 games with zero PP time.
Might I say one of the least of our worries.
 
Throw More Waffles said:
If Seatle takes Kerfoot that 100% means that Dubas had some deal in place.

Look how easy this decision is.

Player A: 26 years old. Paced for 11 goals/30 points over 82 last year. 3.5 mil aav.

Player B: 25 years old. Paced for 26 goals/60 points over 82 last year. 2.9 mil aav.

It's no contest.
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To be fair, Kerfoot has 9 points in 12 playoff games for the Leafs, while McCann has 2 points in his last 9 games.
 
The Leafs also likely feel that it's easier to replace a 3C making $3.5M either via free agency or trade, than it is to replace a right shot d-man that can play in the top 4 while only making $2M. Dubas essentially used the expansion draft to secure a 3C relatively cheaply regardless of which player Seattle chooses.

Also, while I expect Seattle to take one of Kerfoot/McCann, I am not convinced that Dermott is off the table either. Looking at the protection lists, it's clear that this year's expansion is very forward heavy. On defense, you basically have Giordano and a massive drop off from there. There are options in free agency but there is not guarantee that Seattle will be able to nab anyone. A 24-year old defenseman at $1.5M a year could be appealing.
 
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Throw More Waffles said:
I just don't think any of this would happen in reverse.

If Nylander scored 30 goals/70 points, we wouldn't look at a 10 goal/35 point player and say "He's just as good, just had less pp time". I'm sorry, it just doesn't happen in reverse.

Seatle is going to choose McCann because he was REMARKABLY better last year, a year younger, and cheaper. There's no contest here.

Although, I do agree that Dubas may have some deal with the Kraken for them to pick Kerfoot. Taht's what I'm hoping for anyways.
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I think the most plausible scenario here is the Leafs are going to lose McCann and it's going to be branded as the Leafs engineering things in a way where we "only" lost Hallander and a 7th, leaving Kerfoot alone.

Otherwise if there was a side deal was in place with Seattle, they wouldn't need to even protect Holl. Just roll with a standard 7-3-1 stance with McCann under protection and Kerfoot and Holl exposed. Kerfoot gets taken per the agreement in place.

However all this shakes out, I expect Hallander to be a decent prospect for Pitt, McCann to be a versatile player in Seattle and whatever we're left with will be more of the same.

This is a bit too much galaxy brain action for me.
 
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And maybe...just maybe Leafs management gave Holl their word they would protect him in the expansion draft before signing his $2 million extension
 
Stephen said:
I think the most plausible scenario here is the Leafs are going to lose McCann and it's going to be branded as the Leafs engineering things in a way where we "only" lost Hallander and a 7th, leaving Kerfoot alone.

Otherwise if there was a side deal was in place with Seattle, they wouldn't need to even protect Holl. Just roll with a standard 7-3-1 stance with McCann under protection and Kerfoot and Holl exposed. Kerfoot gets taken per the agreement in place.

However all this shakes out, I expect Hallander to be a decent prospect for Pitt, McCann to be a versatile player in Seattle and whatever we're left with will be more of the same.

This is a bit too much galaxy brain action for me.
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If they take Kerfoot that just makes theKadri trade look even worse.
 
The Iceman said:
And maybe...just maybe Leafs management gave Holl their word they would protect him in the expansion draft before signing his $2 million extension
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Bit of a stretch, but maybe possible. Though I don't think any organization ought to be making any promises to anybody, let alone a player of such low standing as Justin Holl.
 
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Mess said:
If McCann is Kerfoot replacement issuance as some are selling this, then it also cost them Hallander and 7th as well as all 3 assets are out the door if we're left with only McCann at the end .
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You can't include an asset as part of the if that asset was being lost anyways.
 
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At the end of the day you have 40 million tied up in 4 guys.
You should be able to lose anyone of Holl,Dermott,Kerfoot or new guy and survive.

If you can’t, if you are screaming about depth, if you’re worried you have no quality, no jam, nobody whatever, you are built wrong.

WRONG.
 
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