Cotton
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Proposal: Leafs - Flames
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Cotton
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There will be no Matthews (franchise C) for Johnny (1st line winger) offers from the Leafs
StevieY offered Stamkos straight up for the Eichel pick. Matthews is widely considered to be as good as Eichel (some think he's better, some think he's worse, it's close regardless). Depends if you see JG as better than Stammer, but it's at least close to a real world offer that was turned down.
Ainsy01
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Any proof of this Stamkos offer? Whats your source?
Only player from CGY going to TO for Marner is Bennett. Fairest value to be had. Gaudreau isnt going anywhere. Signs 7X7 after the WCOH. Monahan signs 6x7
Isn't Bennet a center? Toronto need Marner way more than they would need Bennet with their center depth and lack of elite winger prospects. Regardless of the fact I prefer Marner in general, saw Bennet in person in his last year for the Frontenac and he didn't wow me the same way as when I watch Marner. Personal opinions.
Sundinisagod
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Yeah putting up points in the NHL like Gaudreau in his draft+1? Or wait was it his draft+2 that he was doing it? Draft+3? Nope...simple fact.
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Bozak is not a 2nd line centre, much less a "good" one. JVR might be a 1st liner but he's not an impact forward. If he's the best player on the line he's a 2nd liner.
I don't understand.
Gaudreau didn't play in the NHL until he was 20 years old.
Marner is only 19, but he will never be as good as Gaudreau because he isn't already in the NHL?
What kind of biased, anti-Leaf logic is this?
I truly believe most are coming in here are thinking that Marner will get the Leafs Gaudreau + Bennett
Sundinisagod
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Over the past the seasons he is 80th among forwards for points and 39th for goals, while missing half a season or he would surely be higher. How is he not an impact forward / a second liner?
I truly believe most are coming in here are thinking that Marner will get the Leafs Gaudreau + Bennett
Please show me one person who said that, or anything resembling that?
This thread is a bunch of Leaf fans who said they don't want to pay the price for Gaudreau and Flames fans who want all of prospects for him.
GongShowWilly
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if Johnny was traded , Leafs are one of the 6 teams it wouldn't be to ......
Leafs would have to add to this proposal , but neither team would do it
like to revisit this proposal in 4-5 years , see how both players progress
Leafs would have to add to this proposal , but neither team would do it
like to revisit this proposal in 4-5 years , see how both players progress
Cotton
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Google.
I wouldn't expect JG to be traded either, I was just addressing that proposal and how it could be considered realistic-ish but wouldn't be accepted by Toronto.
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I truly believe most are coming in here are thinking that Marner will get the Leafs Gaudreau + Bennett
Then you cannot read.
We know Johnny has more value and we would have to add to Marner in a trade that would never happen and makes no sense for either team. Those saying Marner could never be as good are of course hoping he never is and have nothing to base that on but bias. Marner is a top prospect with a high ceiling, he could very well one day be Johnny's equal just as the other key guys are hitting stride, or he may not. No one knows.
BlueBaron
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"Google" is no kind of proof man, a link is semi proof, if you do not have that much it is a meaningless statement since few of us have ever heard that rumour and most of us watch these things pretty close.
Then you cannot read.
We know Johnny has more value and we would have to add to Marner in a trade that would never happen and makes no sense for either team. Those saying Marner could never be as good are of course hoping he never is and have nothing to base that on but bias. Marner is a top prospect with a high ceiling, he could very well one day be Johnny's equal just as the other key guys are hitting stride, or he may not. No one knows.
why does this trade makes no sense for Toronto?
If you're speaking about Van Riemsdyk, he is averaging 1.58 points per 60 minutes ranking over the last two seasons ranking him 138th for players playing 1500 minutes or more. That puts him in 2nd line player rankings.
Bozak is ranked 187th putting him near the top for 3rd liners
BlueBaron
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It would be Kessel 2.0. We would have to give up a few important building blocks to get one player. Better to hope Marner becomes as good and keep the Nylander+ we would have to add.
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Yeah, the thread should've ended here. Leafs are at the start of the rebuild, they aren't in the market paying a high price for a 1st line forward.
If you're speaking about Van Riemsdyk, he is averaging 1.58 points per 60 minutes ranking over the last two seasons ranking him 138th for players playing 1500 minutes or more. That puts him in 2nd line player rankings.
Bozak is ranked 187th putting him near the top for 3rd liners
Well I don't know what cherry picked numbers these are but looking at last seasons P/60 JVR was 51st in the league.
He even beat out second line center Sean Monahan, because apparently P/60 is now how you determine player line roles.
Also, Brandon Saad apparently topped Johnny hockey for P/60 because Saad >>>>>> Gaurdreau. I like this game
Well I don't know what cherry picked numbers these are but looking at last seasons P/60 JVR was 51st in the league.
He even beat out second line center Sean Monahan, because apparently P/60 is now how you determine player line roles.
Also, Brandon Saad apparently topped Johnny hockey for P/60 because Saad >>>>>> Gaurdreau. I like this game
http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...ers&minutes=1500&disp=1&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC
It's 5 on 5 guy.
It would have to be Mattews+
if not then there is no need for a discussion. This is worse than the Brodie to Montreal trade earlier this week.
if not then there is no need for a discussion. This is worse than the Brodie to Montreal trade earlier this week.
Cotton
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Seek out your proof through Google, I'm limited on an IPod for dropping links and this was covered enough (on this site as well) that I'm not worried about proving anything. Either take the 5 seconds and google that this was in fact a thing or **** about being on the ball with info.
