Friedman: Leafs do not see Marner making more than Kane

[Drew311]

The moment Marner blocked that shot in game 5 (?) he secured his bag.

I believe that was Game 3, and he went pretty much silent the second half of the series.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

Dubas isnt very good with this negotiating thing.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Then that’s our problem, why are you here if not to stir the pot?

The shame of it !

A poster on this site discussing hockey !

 

[Notsince67]

Kane was always the noticeably better player than Toews, which is why the contract gap was narrowed as that offset the importance of the center position. With the Leafs Marner and Matthew's produce at similar rates yet Matthew's is by far the better goal scorer.

Its not at all similar to the Kane-Toews situation

MM Goal above replacement: 18.1
AM Goals above replacement: 11.1

The game is more than raw goals.

 

[Notsince67]

I believe that was Game 3, and he went pretty much silent the second half of the series.

Yeah. Playing with a winger with a blown ACL

 

[Blueboy]

Yeah. Playing with a winger with a blown ACL

Hyman isn’t the reason Marner didn’t produce lmao

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

I was pointing out the irony of his statement.

(...)

Certainly doesn’t help that Friedman just has random thoughts and posts them on the internet as “professional speculation”. This is a man with no information, he literally makes stuff up and spews anything that comes to mind.

I guess it’s not his fault that people take him for gospel.

Didn't he give you a perfectly reasonable explanation:

I was only replying to someone that quoted me and tried to stir the pot. Pot successfully stirred for him

And by the way, , or at least the rules.

 

[Soundwave]

Kinda indicates to me the Leafs want Marner to take 10.5 and Marner's camp is asking for more than that.

 

[Soundwave]

I think you're going to end up being disappointed.

Yeah very little chance just on principal Marner's camp will accept a full 2 million less than Matthews. The gap, if there is one, is not that big between them.

 

[sharkhawk]

Except Kane is like a hundred times better than toews.

And Matthews has like 50 more goals in 30 less games

At the time many people thought Kane didn’t deserve the same contract as Toews and that Toews took a small cap hit so they could stay together. I know Tavares is a good player, but I don’t understand signing the logic of ensuring you have two goal scoring centers who were going to take up almost 30% of the cap. Also Matthews thinking he somehow deserved a cap hit almost equal to Mcdavid on a shorter term.

 

[Legion34]

At the time many people thought Kane didn’t deserve the same contract as Toews and that Toews took a small cap hit so they could stay together. I know Tavares is a good player, but I don’t understand signing the logic of ensuring you have two goal scoring centers who were going to take up almost 30% of the cap. Also Matthews thinking he somehow deserved a cap hit almost equal to Mcdavid on a shorter term.

Matthews hit will be 13.5-14 instead of 16.
I’m not saying he took a discount. But they actually represented by the same agency

Maybe they watched Connor take a cut and the team become a disaster. Fool
Me once?

 

[flamesforcup]

All i see is a bunch of cherry picked stats.

 

[Cor]

All i see is a bunch of cherry picked stats.

Goals and Points at Even Strength

“Cherry picked”

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Goals and Points at Even Strength

“Cherry picked”

*Per 60

Hard to say he's not comparable to him given that Marner was arguably better than Matthews this year, and has already eclipsed Matthews' career high in points by 21 points.

Does that count as cherry picking?

 

[Tripod]

This might as well be here too.

 

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Change the title to:

Leafs do not see Marner being with team again.

 

[doorbag]

This might as well be here too.

So basically he will be getting at least 10.5m

Hard to see a team not willing to spend two firsts, a second and a third on a player like Marner if they have the cap space.

 

[flamesforcup]

Goals and Points at Even Strength

“Cherry picked”

How about you show total points and use points in all situations rather than cherry picking for whatever Matthews is better at and leaving out the situations that dont help him.

 

[Cor]

How about you show total points and use points in all situations rather than cherry picking for whatever Matthews is better at and leaving out the situations that dont help him.

Using Points Per 60 and Even Strength points is not only common, but typically the best way to assess players.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

*Per 60

Hard to say he's not comparable to him given that Marner was arguably better than Matthews this year, and has already eclipsed Matthews' career high in points by 21 points.

Does that count as cherry picking?

yes, looking exclusively at total points is cherrypicking. Applying context by adjusting for ice time is not only reasonable, but smart

 

[CpatainCanuck]

I don't know why everyone thinks MM signs for anything less than 10M. The compensation for an offer sheet of 10,148,302 and under is 2 firsts, a second and a third. I dont think theres a GM with cap space who wouldn't give that up and run as fast as he could away with MMs name on a contract.

Yup, that 10.1 million+ number (Edit: 10.5+ million as set for 2019/2020) is the starting point of negotiations between the Leafs and Marner, and it goes up from there.

If the Leafs don't want to play ball, I'm sure the canucks would be be pleased to take Marner of their hands for 2 firsts, a 2nd and a third.

That would be a nice #1 Powerplay Unit:

Pettersson-Horvat-Marner
Q. Hughes-Boeser

 

[Cor]

yes, looking exclusively at total points is cherrypicking. Applying context by adjusting for ice time is not only reasonable, but smart

Also, looking at all 3 seasons, rather than just the one Marner strongly outscored Matthews

 

[MikeyMike01]

Marner just score 94 points. That's a full 21 points higher than Matthew's highest point total.

Matthews is not a comparable for Marner because Marner is better.

 

[Blueboy]

Marner just score 94 points. That's a full 21 points higher than Matthew's highest point total.

Matthews is not a comparable for Marner because Marner is better.

Leafs are going to feel so lucky when Marner makes less money

 

[Blueboy]

Yup, that 10.1 million+ number (Edit: 10.5+ million as set for 2019/2020) is the starting point of negotiations between the Leafs and Marner, and it goes up from there.

If the Leafs don't want to play ball, I'm sure the canucks would be be pleased to take Marner of their hands for 2 firsts, a 2nd and a third.

That would be a nice #1 Powerplay Unit:

Pettersson-Horvat-Marner
Q. Hughes-Boeser

Leafs are matching anything 10.6 or below, don’t get your hopes up.