Friedman: Leafs do not see Marner making more than Kane

[Space umpire]

I don'tthink

As much as fans from other teams might like to think otherwise the Leaf s hold Marner's rights.
Marner can hold out and wait until the statistically superior player Rantanen signs and risk getting paid less than what is offered before July 1.
With so many great ERA players available the demand for each will be driven down.
Does anyone really believe that this will be a year when an offer sheet of a top shelf talent is successfull? ..I do not.

I Don't think anyone is predicting an offer sheet will be successful. It will force Toronto to pay +/- 10.5 per on a 5 year deal. That is what many teams would/could offer. It is certain the Leafs would match. If they expect him to sign for longer it would cost more.
That is A LOT more than most of you infinitely more intelligent Leaf fans were predicting a short time ago.

 

[Cotton]

I don'tthink


I Don't think anyone is predicting an offer sheet will be successful. It will force Toronto to pay +/- 10.5 per on a 5 year deal. That is what many teams would/could offer. It is certain the Leafs would match. If they expect him to sign for longer it would cost more.
That is A LOT more than most of you infinitely more intelligent Leaf fans were predicting a short time ago.

No, it wont. An offer-sheet needs to be accepted in order for it to force a response. If an offer of 10.5Mx5 were offered by some other team why exactly would he accept? He already knows he could get that from Toronto, with bigger bonuses and lockout protection too. His camp apparently is asking for Matthews contract, thats 11.5Mx5.

Your notion that another team is going to force anything is pure fantasy.

 

[Space umpire]

No, it wont. An offer-sheet needs to be accepted in order for it to force a response. If an offer of 10.5Mx5 were offered by some other team why exactly would he accept? He already knows he could get that from Toronto, with bigger bonuses and lockout protection too. His camp apparently is asking for Matthews contract, thats 11.5Mx5.

Your notion that another team is going to force anything is pure fantasy.

The fantasy is Leaf fans believing he would accept 10.5 for 8 years. I don't disagree with the point made earlier about wingers v centers. However if it is to be 8 years it will be right at Matthews dollars. ... AND if as more than one of you have indicated they should offer closer to 10m (or less IN THIS THREAD) he would/could dictate his salary for the next 5 years by signing the offer sheet and putting the ball in the leafs court.

 

[DictatorTots427]

Do you partake in forum boards with those leagues as well? Because since you see more opinions here than general discussion gives in public, it may seem that way

Yeah I do read forums for other sports, and I don't really see the same type of hate for other teams. Maybe I'm biased because I'm a leafs fan, but I really don't see the same type of hate for other teams

 

[lifelonghockeyfan]

Yeah I do read forums for other sports, and I don't really see the same type of hate for other teams. Maybe I'm biased because I'm a leafs fan, but I really don't see the same type of hate for other teams

Further to your thought about "hate of Leafs". I read that the Leafs, HAVE to offer Marner, Matthews money to retain him. But the same people think that Aho signs for 7.75m with Carolina....with no danger of an offer sheet.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

I don'tthink


I Don't think anyone is predicting an offer sheet will be successful. It will force Toronto to pay +/- 10.5 per on a 5 year deal. That is what many teams would/could offer. It is certain the Leafs would match. If they expect him to sign for longer it would cost more.
That is A LOT more than most of you infinitely more intelligent Leaf fans were predicting a short time ago.

Always funny reading these condescending, arrogant posts. The hypocrisy is amazing.

 

[Menzinger]

I don'tthink


I Don't think anyone is predicting an offer sheet will be successful. It will force Toronto to pay +/- 10.5 per on a 5 year deal. That is what many teams would/could offer. It is certain the Leafs would match. If they expect him to sign for longer it would cost more.
That is A LOT more than most of you infinitely more intelligent Leaf fans were predicting a short time ago.

This is real life: things only work like this on hypothetical message board.

No GM is going to give Marner an offersheet unless they're willing to actually risk losing the 4 1st round picks. The player in turn would only risk signing an offersheet unless he was actually willing to leave his team.

The number of teams that have the cap space (11ish miion), are wing to lose 4 1sts and that Marner would actually accept are essentially zero

 

[TLEH]

Problem with a number that the Leafs don’t match is that the signing team probably way overpaid and now that team that overpaid also doesn’t have picks

 

[Based Anime Fan]

The number of teams that have the cap space (11ish miion), are wing to lose 4 1sts and that Marner would actually accept are essentially zero

But how do we know where Marner is or isn't willing to play? Has it been released as to what teams he is willing to play for if an offer sheet did get presented?

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

This is real life: things only work like this on hypothetical message board.

No GM is going to give Marner an offersheet unless they're willing to actually risk losing the 4 1st round picks. The player in turn would only risk signing an offersheet unless he was actually willing to leave his team.

The number of teams that have the cap space (11ish miion), are wing to lose 4 1sts and that Marner would actually accept are essentially zero

Obviously this all relies on whether Marner would sign an offer sheet from another club, but I don't understand why so many folks think the bolded above will scare teams off, especially if we're talking about perennial contenders whose 1st round picks are usually in the 20+ range every year.

What are the odds that any of those picks in the 20+ range ever approach Marner's ability? The Pens, for example, have drafted the following with picks in the 20+ range over the last little while -- Olli Maatta, Joe Morrow, Beau Bennett, Simon Despres, Kasperi Kapanen. I'd hazard a guess they'd trade any number of those 4 for Marner if they had the chance.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

Yeah I do read forums for other sports, and I don't really see the same type of hate for other teams. Maybe I'm biased because I'm a leafs fan, but I really don't see the same type of hate for other teams

Its most certainly an HF thing because most hockey fans Ive met, casual or not, dont mind or like Toronto.

Now I do find a lot of people around the tri-state dislike Montreal. For what its worth they make the best beanies in the league

 

[Killer Orcas]

Man it's gonna get ugly on these boards until he signs. I fully believe he will but im also thinking it's for same dollars as Mathews. You keep your stars happy and the one producing more can't be paid less regardless one being a centre/wing as are Mathews and Marner. Toews /Kane got matching deals and remember at time Toews was considered one of the best centres.

 

[supsens]

He cant hold out if he's traded, I dont think Dubas wants any part of a stalemate. Get the sense Marner will be told, and offered, their best offer, and if he wont sign they'll move on.

Move onto what? I doubt anyone is going to send back a 22 year old star player.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Its better to overpay great players then mediocre ones.

Really depends how many 11+ Million dollar players one can have on a roster at fwd. None of the remaining 8 teams playing has one in their line ups. Teams that have iced a strong bottom 6 support group are winning. Is it possihle that being too top heavy salary wise weakens a team? It's a model that may not be the best.

 

[Seanaconda]

Really depends how many 11+ Million dollar players one can have on a roster at fwd. None of the remaining 8 teams playing has one in their line ups. Teams that have iced a strong bottom 6 support group are winning. Is it possihle that being too top heavy salary wise weakens a team? It's a model that may not be the best.

Wasn't there only two 11 aav players in the league this year ?

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Wasn't there only two 11 aav players in the league this year ?

Which tells you all you need to know there. I can understand 2 at fwd one on D. But all 3 at fwd? Doesn't leave much money for the rest of the team. Marner is going to join that club, at least 10.5 minimum if he wants. But when you have a GM that declares we can, we will, and we will overpay. You back up what you say, or you admit you were wrong. Dubas may have to do the latter. But I think he will sign him at any cost. He has already showed his cards by saying it is imperative they do by July 1. Which are delightful words to Ferris' ears.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

If an offer of 10.5Mx5 were offered by some other team why exactly would he accept

lol

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

Its most certainly an HF thing because most hockey fans Ive met, casual or not, dont mind or like Toronto.

Now I do find a lot of people around the tri-state dislike Montreal. For what its worth they make the best beanies in the league

Montreal is the team with the biggest fan base around the world.... but okay Toronto fans, you do you.

 

[The don godfather]

My gut tells me marner is gonna get offer sheet. This guy is that good. Some team will fork up 4 first round picks. Dubas is gonna get cornered unless he can fool some gm to take nylander horrible cap hit.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

Honest question to many Leaf fans... What yearly number would you be comfortable with?

I know many are praying its under 10, some feel itll be about 10 and many are thinking itll be Matthews type money. Kind of looks like the range i see in all threads are between 9.5 - 11.5 per year. Alot of messages result in arguements rather than many fans actually saying what they hope the price is.

Obviously Leaf fans would pray for as low as possible but realistically what yearly number would you be OK with?

I know numbers change with how long the contract is so you can also throw in length too.

I am just more less curious cause there are many posters that reply to these messages and are quick to defend their team and get into heavy debates with others but i have yet to see what number they would be happy with.

 

[smack66]

I can't see anyone giving him an offer sheet simply because of the cost in picks not based on his talent. I think the Leafs get him at 8 X 9.5

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

I can't see anyone giving him an offer sheet simply because of the cost in picks not based on his talent. I think the Leafs get him at 8 X 9.5

I imagine a playoff team doesn't mind risking 4 Jordan Carons that could be a Pastrnak for a guaranteed Marner.

 

[Contenderorpretender]

Obviously this all relies on whether Marner would sign an offer sheet from another club, but I don't understand why so many folks think the bolded above will scare teams off, especially if we're talking about perennial contenders whose 1st round picks are usually in the 20+ range every year.

What are the odds that any of those picks in the 20+ range ever approach Marner's ability? The Pens, for example, have drafted the following with picks in the 20+ range over the last little while -- Olli Maatta, Joe Morrow, Beau Bennett, Simon Despres, Kasperi Kapanen. I'd hazard a guess they'd trade any number of those 4 for Marner if they had the chance.

Just curious how many "perennial " contenders have the cap space to make a move like this?

 

[The Winter Soldier]

I can't see anyone giving him an offer sheet simply because of the cost in picks not based on his talent. I think the Leafs get him at 8 X 9.5

$10,148,302 would only yield 2 first rd picks. For a team that is picking in the mid 20's. This is a very small price for Marner. If the insiders are correct, and Marner is guaranteed of being offer sheet this summer. He's getting atleast this much. Even at $10,148,303 or higher. 4 mid to late 20's picks for Marner. I would roll the dice. Late first round picks rarely yield elite players.

 

[TGWL]

Players are humble and take discounts, unless you play for the leafs, then you ask for the moon and more.

Leaf players will take a team friendly deal to keep a good team together, until contract negotiations start, then they ask for the moon and more.