Friedman: Leafs do not see Marner making more than Kane

[Cotton]

It might be time for leafs fans to just let this thread be and let all the haters do their thing.
On sportsnet (responding to mailbag questions), the debate on there is whether marner should exceed the 9.5 number set by stone and kucherov.
Here you have a bunch of guys telling leafs fans it's going to be 11.5- 12.
Theses guys are only trying to stoke fires. Let them be and discuss in the leafs forum.

Sage advice.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Yes. But in the off season the cap is not required the be complied to.

You must comply with it, but with a 10% extra cushion.

 

[Seanaconda]

9.5 is a dumb limit to make at least go to the four first threshold for what you would match.

Anyways what are the rumours for who they trade him for if he doesn’t sign ? Subban ?

 

[Space umpire]

It might be time for leafs fans to just let this thread be and let all the haters do their thing.
On sportsnet (responding to mailbag questions), the debate on there is whether marner should exceed the 9.5 number set by stone and kucherov.
Here you have a bunch of guys telling leafs fans it's going to be 11.5- 12.
Theses guys are only trying to stoke fires. Let them be and discuss in the leafs forum.

Pre-signing what were the sportsnet predictions for Matthews? Because (I CHECKED) and here on 2 separate threads the majority of "haters" thought he would get between 10 and 11 million. The infinitely knowledgeable Leaf fans had him between 8.5 and 10.5. And all (5 or 6 IIRC) posters saying 10.5 said it would be for 8 years.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Actually he put Marner on notice, sign by July 1st or accept that you may be playing elsewhere.

OOOH !

 

[Shesterkybomb]

The rfa compensation for this year is said to be going up 400,000 so for the leafs to get Marner signed they are going to have to give him 10.5 or more or someone will offer sheet him for a 1st, 2nd and a 3rd in which case they would have to match it anyway. Anyone who thinks he will take less than 10.5 is dreaming, he could get 16 teams to offer sheet that for him.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

You'd have to threaten to offer sheet him for less than 10.1 or whatever the limit is for 4 1st round picks. The Leafs comfortably match that. If you threaten a 4 1st round pick offer sheet, why would we accept a trade for less than 4 1sts?

To get immediate help ?

Occam's razor.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

I bet Marner comes in just a tad below 10. I could see a 9.5-9.78m per

Sweet dreams.

 

[Seanaconda]

The rfa compensation for this year is said to be going up 400,000 so for the leafs to get Marner signed they are going to have to give him 10.5 or more or someone will offer sheet him for a 1st, 2nd and a 3rd in which case they would have to match it anyway. Anyone who thinks he will take less than 10.5 is dreaming, he could get 16 teams to offer sheet that for him.

2 firsts but I agree .

 

[DANTHEMAN1967]

Actually it is Marner who will be putting Dubas on notice if it gets to July 1 and he still unsigned. Dubas is not scaring anyone with the weak precedent he has set for himself in negotiations. He will be the one that blinks first. Marner holds all the cards. If he does not like how things are progressing, he Ferris, and his dad Paul will weigh offer sheets if what has been reported is correct and dictate where he wants to play. Not Dubas.

As much as fans from other teams might like to think otherwise the Leaf s hold Marner's rights.
Marner can hold out and wait until the statistically superior player Rantanen signs and risk getting paid less than what is offered before July 1.
With so many great ERA players available the demand for each will be driven down.
Does anyone really believe that this will be a year when an offer sheet of a top shelf talent is successfull? ..I do not.

 

[Seanaconda]

As much as fans from other teams might like to think otherwise the Leaf s hold Marner's rights.
Marner can hold out and wait until the statistically superior player Rantanen signs and risk getting paid less than what is offered before July 1.
With so many great ERA players available the demand for each will be driven down.
Does anyone really believe that this will be a year when an offer sheet of a top shelf talent is successfull? ..I do not.

The aves aren’t hurting for cap I wouldn’t want to test them on paying him generiously on an eight year contract .

 

[Vagrant]

marner's representation does not see a contract from 2014 as in any way pertinent to their client's current earning power. especially after giving nylander what they gave him.

 

[Allhailtheleafs]

I wouldnt say rats is superior. Marner has improved every since he started in juniors. The best is yet to come

 

[Devilmademedoit]

Problem is he signed that 4 years ago

 

[Canuck86]

It would be considered a discount if Marner took less than Kane no?

Cap has gone up, Kane deal is a couple years old and inflation of player salaries always happens. Marner has the Leafs in a bind, he has proven to be elite and worth a big $ contract. He is younger than Kane, Kucherov and Stone who both recently signed for under 10m. Kucherov though gets a big tax break, for him to make the same $ as he does in Tampa with say the Leafs his cap hit would have to be close to 11m no?

I can see him making under 10m myself as I just think its foolish if all these youngster who have proven squat outside regular season stats can think they can all demand the league's highest salaries. The leafs would still be a playoff team without Marner and if he sat out like WN that would elevate WN to a top line role where he could potential put up #'s close to what Marner did.

At the end of the day I am not a Leaf fan so I honestly dont care what his cap hit is going forward, I hope he holds out for the big payday and it makes Toronto's future cap issues a continuing issue.

Personally though, entertain a trade offer in all reality. Get a high end D in return, sign Kapanen and Johnsson to remain in your top 6 and you also have Nylander who should have a good year next year, maybe close to PPG if there is no Marner.

Save the 11m for 1 player spend 8-10m on 2 young top 6 caliber wingers instead and try to get a good young RHD to help your D.

 

[93gilmour93]

I think when it's all over the contract will be around 10.5 to 10.8 x 5

 

[Martin Skoula]

To get immediate help ?

Occam's razor.

That's what the 10 mil+ to spend in FA is for.

 

[Seanaconda]

That's what the 10 mil+ to spend in FA is for.

Wat 10 million dollar free agent dman am I not seeing ?

Edit good lord ek
I guess , would he sign in Toronto ?

 

[43Kadri43]

Well i disagree. Marner was one of the best players and most dynamic around the whole league last year. The kid is outstanding.

I realize alot of fans refuse to admit Marner is better cause of the whole contract thing coming up and they are nervous about the contract he will get. But he will get paid Matthews type money regardless so its ok to admit Marner is better

No, Matthews is better because he’s been a significantly better even-strength player over their first three years.

Marner’s been healthier. I’ll give him that.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Wat 10 million dollar free agent dman am I not seeing ?

Edit good lord ek
I guess , would he sign in Toronto ?

2 5 million dollar defense would be helpful. A 5 mil D and a big physical winger for Matthews would go a long way. Panarin would be a direct replacement for similar money.

Plus that's a Muzzin level rental every year for the next 4 years on top of that. Our 20-60 scouting has been strong as well. There's really no bad scenario with 4 1sts for us.

 

[Fear]

The playoffs proved why Matthews will be the highest paid leaf, he was the best player in the series.

Marner will end up around ~10

 

[Pelle31]

As much as fans from other teams might like to think otherwise the Leaf s hold Marner's rights.
Marner can hold out and wait until the statistically superior player Rantanen signs and risk getting paid less than what is offered before July 1.
With so many great ERA players available the demand for each will be driven down.
Does anyone really believe that this will be a year when an offer sheet of a top shelf talent is successfull? ..I do not.

So what do the Leaf fans on here consider a good deal for Marner, $9.5 million per year, if so then anything above that amount would be considered an overpayment by Dubas. If Dubas does get Marner signed for that amount then he looks like a genius to Leaf fans, and Marner as seen as taking a big discount by other teams fanbases. Either way it will be interesting to see if Marner signs before July 1st and if he isn't signed by July 1st it will be interesting to see if other team offer sheets him or he demands too much which forces Dubas to trade him. It is fun to read all of the posts of Leaf fans and non Leafs fans speculating as to what he'll get.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Fascinating take.

Mitch isnt nearly as involved in front-line negotiations as your fantasy seems to suggest. Marner is in control of his ability to price himself off the team, he doesnt control where he could be traded as a result of doing so. And it sound like, having learned from the Nylander negotiations, it might end up going that route.

If it reaches the point of offer-sheets then four 1st round picks will have to do. I dont know how many contenders have 11-12M available for a RW, I have a feeling it's not many, and if they are bottom feeders they might not want to part with four 1sts.

We can, and we will.





And we will overpay.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Hawks offer sheet 12 million. f*** the picks after we take Byram.

Saad-Toews-Kane
DeBrincat-Strome-Marner

 

[Xanner]

We can, and we will.





And we will overpay.

Its better to overpay great players then mediocre ones.