GDT: Leafs at Habs (Now, Friday)
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Barron will be carried by Matheson and not touch the puck too much if that is the case.
Too soft, too lackadaisical, and clueless as to what defensive assignments he should take around his own net.
Worst possible candidate to play with Matheson, IMO.
I'd play Xhekaj on his off side with Matheson before Barron. I'd play Kovacevic with Matheson before Barron. I'd put the old goat, Savard, out to pasture alongside Matheson before Barron. I'd make Guhle switch to the right side to play with Matheson before Barron...
NOT Barron with Matheson, please!
MasterD
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Barron is 21.
At 20 he had a 15 points in 39 NHL games season on an underskilled and overinjured team.
Y'all need to chill the f out. Is he gonna be a bonafide NHL #1? No. Can he be an offensive minded #3-#4? Heck yes!
Now, given that we have Reinbacher and Mailloux, he might be doomed to get traded at some point, but that's fine.
At 20 he had a 15 points in 39 NHL games season on an underskilled and overinjured team.
Y'all need to chill the f out. Is he gonna be a bonafide NHL #1? No. Can he be an offensive minded #3-#4? Heck yes!
Now, given that we have Reinbacher and Mailloux, he might be doomed to get traded at some point, but that's fine.
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Why does it make me a hater -- what a horrible take.I've given reasons why I don't think he should be playing with Matheson as a first pairing RHD.
I doubt he ever becomes a first pairing RHD, sure, but nobody can tell me he's ready for that now with a straight face and have made a good analysis of the situation.
Barron needs to work a lot more than his 15 points in 39 games in a lost cause of a season. Otherwise, he won't have the confidence of the head coach, when it counts, to get the ice time he will need to produce.
He'll need a lot more than 30 points in 78 games (extrapolating over a full season) to overcome his defensive liabilities on the ice.
If he can show confidence and consistency on the PP, he could become a sheltered 6th D and be used as a PP specialist on a 2nd wave. Nothing to write home about.
Barron has issues he needs work on seriously. Spotting him on the 1st pairing won't help him progress at all.
If all goes well for Barron, his ultimate upside is as a top-4 D, but it will take a lot of work. I just think he'll get squeezed out before he gets there.
MasterD
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A sheltered 6th D is Wideman. Or MAB. Barron is much better than Wideman or MAB.
Roman Josi entered the NHL at 21, 16 points in 52 games. Take a deep breathe bud.
Is he gonna develop into a Josi caliber player? Most likely not. Will he get traded because he's behind Reinbacher and Mailloux? Quite possibly. Doesn't make him trash. He's 21!
I don't think he's trash. Read carefully, please.
However, this glorification of the kid's future after stat watching for half a season should be tempered.
Barron has started two training camps in a row looking like he has regressed. It's one thing to have the raw skills, but it's another thing to see them come together under pressure.
I hope Barron can overcome this, correct the flaws in his game and become more than a 6th D that needs sheltering at even strength.
MAB was bad defensively, but he was also more potent, offensively, than Barron.
If Barron can't solve his defensive woes, he will need to produce better offensive numbers.
Even with his own defensive weaknesses, Mailloux will likely surpass Barron on the depth chart because he will produce offensively while bringing a punishing physical element to his game that Barron will lack.
Reinbacher will beat out Barron on the depth chart because of his shutdown skills, even of he doesn't live up to his offensive upside.
Wideman isn't even in the same conversation -- That's how bad he is.
MasterD
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How much more offense do you want him to bring?? That's not his issue at all!
Reinbacher and Mailloux might pass him on the depth chart? Yes! Great! Means we have great talent there! They could both be 1st pairing dmen, with different styles.
Barron is a tier lower, no doubt. Which means he might get traded eventually. He still has humongous potential in this league!
Putting a shitty ceiling on a 21 years old, offensively oriented 1st round pick of a dman is just the garbage that makes hockey players not want to play here. Don't do that.
HabsCowboysOwn
Wak Prescott the 60M/yr scam artist, here we gooo!
Just finished ''watching'' this snoozefest, here's a summary of my experience:
Post-game thoughts:
- Armia's place is in the stands, he doesn't deserve to play a single minute this year. What a waste of space.
- Can't wait for 4 more years of Gallagher's corpse wasting a roster spot
- Time for some cuts, tired of watching AHL scrubs aimlessly skate around the ice
Post-game thoughts:
- Armia's place is in the stands, he doesn't deserve to play a single minute this year. What a waste of space.
- Can't wait for 4 more years of Gallagher's corpse wasting a roster spot
- Time for some cuts, tired of watching AHL scrubs aimlessly skate around the ice
Mailloux was not great during the game, he lost the puck several time like Barron and He played more than Barron actually.
Barron had a bad game, but you re making it look as if the other guys had been a lot better in the pre season games.
All Ds were lost in this game, the systems are not in place / not understood at all, they were all lost on the ice.
Barron was good in the AHL last year, and showed good things at NHL level why discard 39 games (+ AHL reps) for the sake of one pre season game ?
Laval training camp starts on Monday, pretty sure Stephens, Mysak, JPJ, Beaudin are sent down soon.Just finished ''watching'' this snoozefest, here's a summary of my experience:
Post-game thoughts:
- Armia's place is in the stands, he doesn't deserve to play a single minute this year. What a waste of space.
- Can't wait for 4 more years of Gallagher's corpse wasting a roster spot
- Time for some cuts, tired of watching AHL scrubs aimlessly skate around the ice
Given the fact that there are only 3 games left, I would send down one of Pearson or Armia to show the others that if they don t play better they can be sent down too.
But more players who did not play yesterday should also be sent down.
ClasslessGuy
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Is the Primeau project over ? Missed the game (in austria so that was impossible to watch) what I’m reading online is that we wasn’t good
He was not bad, was not great either. That being said given the defense performance the loss is not on him. Each of the defensemen has been worse than he was.
Just a few thoughts about the game :
Primeau : He could have been better but honestly he’s rocking .931 and gave up 3 goals on 44 shots. Statistically that’s good, even though he looked a bit shaky vs Ottawa. Can’t really blame with how the team played in front of him tonight. Still think he’ll get waived.
Beaudin : I hope it’s the last time I have to witness him with this jersey on, what a terrible performance, completely overwhelmed in every facet of the game.
Xhekaj: He wasn’t good tonight, lost the inside multiple times. Had a few looks here and there offensively. Needs to clean up his game more. Lindstrom didn’t help him much.
Mailloux : I don’t understand why Beaudin was on the PP instead of him. It’s puzzling decision. I understand Barron, but they didn’t give any chance for Mailloux to display his offensive potential. He made some mistakes but he was far from the worst defensemen tonight. Blocked a few shots and did use his size to his advantage.
Barron : Softer than Charmin. Always unwilling to put his frame to work. My evaluation of him doesn’t change, if he wants to be better in his zone he’ll need to be better with the puck because he’ll spend less time playing defence. Every time there’s sustained pressure he looks like a fish out of water. He did play with the worst defenseman tonight and that didn’t help. He can skate, he’s good on breakouts passes, has a good shot and is good on transition, but I don’t see him ever being better than a #4.
Parker-Jones : It’s crazy that he might be the best forward tonight. Kid definitely has a good sense of the game and where he needs to be but is missing the tools to take advantage of it. I do like him every time I watch him, he should be permanent fixture in Laval and hopefully he gets rewarded with a game a long the way. Maybe the best two chances in the game came from his stick.
Mysak : I thought he was one of the best forwards tonight. Had limited ice time, but looked good around the net on the powerplay and didn’t look out of place cycling with veterans. Good for him.
Beck : Liked his game again. He had some good chances in the first half. Won battles and he never stops skating.
Roy : A few good takeaways (including one in-front of his goalie) early and then a few good passes but pretty discreet game overall. Slow on some plays.
Monahan : I don’t think he can be “THE” guy on a line. He’s more of the glue, he either needs to be with Suzuki or Dach, that’s where he’ll shine the most and help solidify the line.
Anderson : Had his moments. Looked tired after a shift that wouldn’t for him. A few times I was surprised by some of his play selection in a good way, old Anderson would have turned over when this one tries new things. Definitely quieter than usual.
Armia : I know many don’t like him and that he probably look great at the WC after a season long training camp, but he did have his moments (the whole lime did). Some good plays mixed with some bad one. He’s easy to hate because he had shifts where you can’t get him off the puck and then he’s a ghost.
Gallagher : He was just horrible tonight, no redeeming quality in his game. I used to think he could at least look good if he didn’t carry the puck and just went to the net, but tonight was just a really bad sight. I hope for the sake of this board mental sake that he’ll be able to find some success on the fourth line because tonight can’t inspire any confidence.
Pearson : Non-factor.
Ylonen : Had some good but more bad. He’ll need to show more because he’s heading to the waivers.
Overall a pretty bad game with some few good moments offensively.
Primeau : He could have been better but honestly he’s rocking .931 and gave up 3 goals on 44 shots. Statistically that’s good, even though he looked a bit shaky vs Ottawa. Can’t really blame with how the team played in front of him tonight. Still think he’ll get waived.
Beaudin : I hope it’s the last time I have to witness him with this jersey on, what a terrible performance, completely overwhelmed in every facet of the game.
Xhekaj: He wasn’t good tonight, lost the inside multiple times. Had a few looks here and there offensively. Needs to clean up his game more. Lindstrom didn’t help him much.
Mailloux : I don’t understand why Beaudin was on the PP instead of him. It’s puzzling decision. I understand Barron, but they didn’t give any chance for Mailloux to display his offensive potential. He made some mistakes but he was far from the worst defensemen tonight. Blocked a few shots and did use his size to his advantage.
Barron : Softer than Charmin. Always unwilling to put his frame to work. My evaluation of him doesn’t change, if he wants to be better in his zone he’ll need to be better with the puck because he’ll spend less time playing defence. Every time there’s sustained pressure he looks like a fish out of water. He did play with the worst defenseman tonight and that didn’t help. He can skate, he’s good on breakouts passes, has a good shot and is good on transition, but I don’t see him ever being better than a #4.
Parker-Jones : It’s crazy that he might be the best forward tonight. Kid definitely has a good sense of the game and where he needs to be but is missing the tools to take advantage of it. I do like him every time I watch him, he should be permanent fixture in Laval and hopefully he gets rewarded with a game a long the way. Maybe the best two chances in the game came from his stick.
Mysak : I thought he was one of the best forwards tonight. Had limited ice time, but looked good around the net on the powerplay and didn’t look out of place cycling with veterans. Good for him.
Beck : Liked his game again. He had some good chances in the first half. Won battles and he never stops skating.
Roy : A few good takeaways (including one in-front of his goalie) early and then a few good passes but pretty discreet game overall. Slow on some plays.
Monahan : I don’t think he can be “THE” guy on a line. He’s more of the glue, he either needs to be with Suzuki or Dach, that’s where he’ll shine the most and help solidify the line.
Anderson : Had his moments. Looked tired after a shift that wouldn’t for him. A few times I was surprised by some of his play selection in a good way, old Anderson would have turned over when this one tries new things. Definitely quieter than usual.
Armia : I know many don’t like him and that he probably look great at the WC after a season long training camp, but he did have his moments (the whole lime did). Some good plays mixed with some bad one. He’s easy to hate because he had shifts where you can’t get him off the puck and then he’s a ghost.
Gallagher : He was just horrible tonight, no redeeming quality in his game. I used to think he could at least look good if he didn’t carry the puck and just went to the net, but tonight was just a really bad sight. I hope for the sake of this board mental sake that he’ll be able to find some success on the fourth line because tonight can’t inspire any confidence.
Pearson : Non-factor.
Ylonen : Had some good but more bad. He’ll need to show more because he’s heading to the waivers.
Overall a pretty bad game with some few good moments offensively.
Agree on most of it but I would put Armia Pearson through waivers before Ylonen. I also wonder what where the PP instructions because several times Barron was in a good position you could see usually he would have shot but insisted on cycling at the ladt moment.
I’m one of those who liked flashes Ylonen showed last year and he did produce as much as RHP at 5v5.
In a perfect world, I would definitely keep him in the NHL, but Hughes doesn’t seem like the kind to waive veterans. He might have to do it on paper to get under cap, but I expect them to get recalled instantly once Price is on LTIR.
It’s either he can force their hands or go through the inevitable.
Power play has been atrocious early on. I don’t really care about the drop pass as most teams in the league use it, but the inability to get any success once in the zone is perplexing.
Burrows is definitely up to something strategy wise because even against Ottawa you saw defensemen pass the puck more on the short side to open up the middle of the ice and get the puck across.
WeThreeKings
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I would say the most annoying thing was with the snooze of a game that when we had a chance to tie it, they trotted out garbage like Armia and Gallagher.
Give Roy and Beck the opportunity for the fans and evaluation. We know Gallagher is toasted.
Give Roy and Beck the opportunity for the fans and evaluation. We know Gallagher is toasted.
The Gr8 Dane
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It's embarassing worst fanbase in sports , after a pre season games lololol up there with Yankee fans for sure
As MSL stated in his post game conference- (paraphrasing)
Collectively this line up just sucked which made it difficult for any individuals to do well.
That was a brutal group for sure.
Collectively this line up just sucked which made it difficult for any individuals to do well.
That was a brutal group for sure.
Harry Kakalovich
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FrankMTL
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That's what bugs the shit out of me.....You give plugs and useless vets chances on the PP as opposed to your young talent. I mean does Beaudin really need to be out there on the PP? The coaches and fans know what to expect from Armia and Gallagher. It's almost like they don't want to offend these players by putting the youngsters out there.
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Or maybe his issue is that he's still only 21.
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