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The two bolded are probably the best options for him.
Friedman: Leafs and Knies talking extension
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Jared Dunn
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Do you really think he's going to sign a long-term deal at a sweetheart number when he's poised to be stapled to Matthews' wing for a year? He could flirt with 60 points this season
Shane Pinto signed a 2 year bridge at $3.5M and was reportedly seeking $5M AAV on a 4-6 year deal.
I'd expect a similar bridge or mid-term extension for Knies (maybe slightly higher with a rising cap).
2x3.75M
4/5x5.25M
7/8x6M
I'd expect a similar bridge or mid-term extension for Knies (maybe slightly higher with a rising cap).
2x3.75M
4/5x5.25M
7/8x6M
CheckingLineCenter
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If you’re a big believer you probably try to get him at 8x$6M
Tough to say no to $50 mil if you’re him
Tough to say no to $50 mil if you’re him
True. Treliving proved he was much different from Dubas when he gave Nylander more than Pastrnak...
HockeyVirus
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That's how the cap works yes, as years go on player salaries go up
Pasta and Nylander were signed 10 months apart.
HockeyVirus
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Pasta and Nylander were signed 10 months apart.
They were signed with a difference of the cap of 5%.
Pasta was signed under an $82.5M cap.
Nylander was signed under an $83.5M cap.
You may want to work on those math skills.
HockeyVirus
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Nylander deal was signed when the known cap was $83.5M. But you keep trying.
CanadienShark
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I can't see him taking a long term deal, since he hasn't earned a high cap hit yet. I think they'll bridge him. The Leafs would be lucky to get him at a 4-4.5m cap hit long term, but I don't see it working.
HockeyVirus
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No, everyone knew the cap would be around 88 when the deal was being negotiated 8 months ago.
There's still multiple a BOG meeting between January when Nylander was signed and when the cap was set, but again, you keep trying.
Even if you want to take your pathetic argument into consideration, it means f*** all when you consider that, inflated, Pasta only makes $350K more than Nylander. So uhh... Good one I guess?
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I don't think you get 6 years out of Knies at $4.5m.
Everyone knows the cap is going to jump immensely. Auston Matthews is the epitome of doing that with the 4 year deal so he can get another hit at it.
If he's listening to Auston Matthews (probably, given that probably idolized Matthews growing up), he'll likely want a much higher premium for giving up years 5 and 6.
Personally, I can see a world where you can get Knies at $4.5m x 4.
To get 6 years out of him, it probably needs to be a $5.5 to $6m deal... just based on what Kaiden Guhle ($5.5x6) and Guenther ($7.15x8).
If you're the Leafs, does it make sense to pay an extra $1 - $1.5m for another 2 years? I guess that comes down to whether you think you think that extra bit of cap space might be the difference between winning and losing over the next 4 years.
Personally, looking at where the Leafs are at in contract situations and ages with Matthews & Nylander, I'm a bit more inclined to go 4 years.... especially if he's subscribing to the Matthews school of thought and is adverse to doing an 8-year deal. Most of the teams doing these types of deals with young players aren't very good today.
hamzarocks
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No way he gets that much
lower ceiling, less production and lower draft pedigree
He would need to be 70 point player this year to get that type of deal
Ghost of Murph
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For sure Knies should do a short-term deal. The Leafs won't be able to offer him a long-term deal that is commensurate with his ceiling during that time. He needs to bet on himself and wait to sign a long-term deal in 3-4 years. He's going to be a fantastic player as his game continues to grow.
His point production wasn't too far off considering that's his first year. Juraj was 2nd year
Draft standings don't mean much here. I would argue Knies has potential to be a power forward and he's more physical
I can't see him locking in for long term without getting a 7 season
HockeyVirus
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There's still multiple a BOG meeting between January when Nylander was signed and when the cap was set, but again, you keep trying.
Even if you want to take your pathetic argument into consideration, it means f*** all when you consider that, inflated, Pasta only makes $350K more than Nylander. So uhh... Good one I guess?
I mean, Nylander is a good player I have no complaints of his price.
I appreciate your concession that he's overpaid, and that you were wrong to claim that we're past the days of Leafs management overpaying their core players. Thank you.
Now that we're past that, you can go back to comparing Knies taking 8 x $4M to Faber, (8 x $8.5M) Sanderson (8 x $8.05M) and Slafkovsky. (8 x $7.6M)
Fatass
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Yup. Term means 8 mil or more for the AAV. Likely he accepts a bridge deal at 5-6 mil x 3/4 years.
Draft pedigree is not irrelevant here... Slaf is viewed as a guy that probably has point-per game upside, if not higher, and to drive a line offensively.
Knies, most would probably view as an ultimate complimentary piece, maybe flirts in the 70s if he's got the right set of linemates, but not really an offesive driver.
That being said, I would agree with you, that he's not signing an 8-year deal without getting $7m per, which is why the right deal is probably a 4-year at $4.5m or 6-year at $5.5m to $6m.
