Confirmed with Link: Leafs acquire Bernier for Frattin, Scrivens, 2nd in 14 or 15

[Daisy Jane]

Lombardi said in a Cap system it is impossible to keep 2 No.1 Goalies, thus he was forced to move Bernier.

There is no way the Leafs are keeping both Reimer and Bernier for an extended amount of time, people need to stop drinking the koolaid.

If Reimer is not moved this summer, this might turn out to be a bad move, like Luongo and Schneider in Vancouver is right now.

Fuhr/Potvin and Potvin/Cujo didn't last long either, and there was no cap then.

People are not thinking long term and presently what the Bernier deal means to Nonis. It's all about assembling chips at the poker table.

how funny is this - Reimer's amazing play (taking account everything) could be what nets us a key player.

but just everything that's being said - ie: why would Nonis have to call James right away after acquiring Bernier ("Hey, bud, yah we got another possible #1 goaltender, don't sweat it.") either Nonis is being really kind, or it's more of a heads up, that he MAY need to prepare to be traded?

again, I fully see us in the driver seat and in the "win" column.

we keep both of them, and we've got a young capable amazing backup, whom we can trade as the cap goes up. (note - didn't name which one )

we flip Reimer + for ________________ to Philly, Minny, Edmonton


win win.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

keep dreaming

7 overall is gold this year best draft in 10 years

a 5th d man, 21 , and a prospect ,

I know you got to laugh at some posters. I wonder why the draft thread is by far the busiest thead on this forum. Terrible draft, bunch of bum prospects this draft.

Most hockey people have compared this draft to 2003. It's a great draft filled with top prospects, if we #7, we will have a heck of a hockey player this we can be sure of.

 

[BurnsBlue]

We got the best player in the deal, will miss Frats, but this trade is a win. Goaltending depth is nothing to cry about.

 

[onemorecup*]

this is..AMAZING!!!!!

Think of it this way:

Bernier is Rask who was overshadowed by Quick aka Timmy Thomas.

Rask got his chance to be #1...everyone finally saw what he can do.

Bernier will get his chance to be #1...everyone will see what he can do


Frattin was nothing special. Solid 3rd line winger, easily replaceable. Scrivens wasn't that great either. I wish both of them the best of luck in LA but Leaf fans should not really think of them as a loss.

In the end, Nonis won this trade EASILY.

bernier is not rask

 

[Orbital]

Love this trade! TML were never going to put 100% trust in Reimer as the Leafs #1 on a long term basis;and good for them for that.We needed Bernier who is looked on as more of a franchise-caliber goalie.
Bernier starter and Reimer as one of the best back-up goalies in the league next year.Yee haa!

 

[onemorecup*]

I know you got to laugh at some posters. I wonder why the draft thread is by far the busiest thead on this forum. Terrible draft, bunch of bum prospects this draft.

Most hockey people have compared this draft to 2003. It's a great draft filled with top prospects, if we #7, we will have a heck of a hockey player this we can be sure of.

good one bro

cmon folks this draft may yield dozens of outstanding players , u will have to pay huge to move up, not the spare parts trash people are talking about it

 

[The Winter Soldier]

how funny is this - Reimer's amazing play (taking account everything) could be what nets us a key player.

but just everything that's being said - ie: why would Nonis have to call James right away after acquiring Bernier ("Hey, bud, yah we got another possible #1 goaltender, don't sweat it.") either Nonis is being really kind, or it's more of a heads up, that he MAY need to prepare to be traded?

again, I fully see us in the driver seat and in the "win" column.

we keep both of them, and we've got a young capable amazing backup, whom we can trade as the cap goes up. (note - didn't name which one )

we flip Reimer + for ________________ to Philly, Minny, Edmonton


win win.

I think Nonis is doing what most classy Hockey men would do, I don't see anything in the call as intimating he is keeping both Reimer and Bernier.

His defining statement is he will trade anyone if it improves our team, for all those that say it would be crazy to trade Kessel, Phaneuf, they need to rethink their Nonis is not going to trade player X.

He would.

 

[onemorecup*]

L.A's system is a lot more defensive then you seem to think, they don't allow many shots because they defend it well, since they don't allow many shots it makes the goalies job a whole lot easier, it's also why they have such good G/A #'s. But you can keep telling yourself that we have a superior defensive system then L.A all you want, whatever helps you sleep at night.

bang on my freind , wait til he sees miscue after miscue on the backend

the Kings are a defensive machine , among the best at winning 2-1 games for long stretches

 

[New Liskeard]

He probably won't lead the league in hits but yes, I have no problem believing he'd be every bit as good at PK at the NHL level (as for size he's already 23 lbs heavier than Komarov) and unlike Komarov will provide some offense in the playoffs.

D'amigo may very well end up being a good pker at the NHL level, but I believe it will take a him a couple of years to raise his level of play. Komarov was 26 when he came here and had experiences in higher levels of hockey than Jerry, the KHL for instance. To expect a rookie to come in and be a very good pker in the NHL right away is unrealistic. I hope im wrong but I think he needs time.

 

[Ari91]

Lombardi said in a Cap system it is impossible to keep 2 No.1 Goalies, thus he was forced to move Bernier.

There is no way the Leafs are keeping both Reimer and Bernier for an extended amount of time, people need to stop drinking the koolaid.

If Reimer is not moved this summer, this might turn out to be a bad move, like Luongo and Schneider in Vancouver is right now.

Fuhr/Potvin and Potvin/Cujo didn't last long either, and there was no cap then.

People are not thinking long term and presently what the Bernier deal means to Nonis. It's all about assembling chips at the poker table.

Wrong, wrong, wrong. Luongo hasn't been moved because of his contract and because his GM has an ego and thinks he can play hard ball with other GMs despite having already told all of them that Schneider is his goalie and Lou needs to go. Who can afford to pay that kind of money for a back-up goalie? Gillis talked himself into a hole expects people to pay HIM to get out of it.

The only way this turns into a Vancouver situation is if Nonis pays too much for Bernier, Bernier flops and then it becomes very difficult to move him without taking back scraps in return. Bernier will be a UFA by the time his next contract rolls arouind and no matter how you slice it, Bernier is an NHL goalie whether it be as a starter or back-up. He's going to be playing in the NHL for a long time barring injuries. If Nonis can sign him to a cap-friendly deal then I see no issues. If both play well enough to be deemed a #1, then only one will stay with the Leafs while the other will be traded and bring back some sort of assets for the team. If one regresses while the other excels, then there is no controversy.

Why are people acting like this is rocket science?

 

[onemorecup*]

I think Nonis is doing what most classy Hockey men would do, I don't see anything in the call as intimating he is keeping both Reimer and Bernier.

His defining statement is he will trade anyone if it improves our team, for all those that say it would be crazy to trade Kessel, Phaneuf, they need to rethink their Nonis is not going to trade player X.

He would.

he would and he will id need be

u cant break the bank for Dion captain or not

is Nonnis going to cave into a 7 yer deal , what if Phil wants a Getzalf deal ?

I dont see Nonnis being pushed around , he will have a number in mind for both to accept , I dont see both heading into the final year without a resolution from Nonnis well before camp starts.

 

[Bomber0104]

I guess the trade goes something like this...

Is Scrivens or Bernier a better goalie?

Then you ask yourself how much better?

Then you ask yourself is that worth Matt Frattin and a 2nd round pick?

It only seems to add up to me if you know Bernier is going to be the real deal for us.

 

[zeke]

We'll see how this works out, and it never sucks to get a talent like Bernier, but it kinda kills me that the first year we finally get good goaltending after finally getting rid of all these failed goalies we traded so many huge assets for.....our first priority of the offseason is to go out and make another big trade for a backup goalie.

But what really annoys me is that I'm pretty much 100% sure that Bernier is going to get treated as the favorite, with a much longer leash than Reimer.....even if it's hurting us in the standings.

This could turn out badly.


And by getting rid of Frattin, I'm getting dang scared we're going to be heading back to a top-6/bottom-6 system in our forwards again.

 

[hockeygeek]

I know you got to laugh at some posters. I wonder why the draft thread is by far the busiest thead on this forum. Terrible draft, bunch of bum prospects this draft.

Most hockey people have compared this draft to 2003. It's a great draft filled with top prospects, if we #7, we will have a heck of a hockey player this we can be sure of.

You can't be sure of that. You can be sure the draft is filled with players who will never be as good as they were on draft day though

 

[7even]

I guess the trade goes something like this...

Is Scrivens or Bernier a better goalie?

Then you ask yourself how much better?

Then you ask yourself is that worth Matt Frattin and a 2nd round pick?

It only seems to add up to me if you know Bernier is going to be the real deal for us.

Paid for potential, 100%. It's not bad value when you consider that Bernier could end up as a decent goalie. I dunno. Timing is weird.

 

[Woodman19]

The fact that so many people are opposed to this makes me feel better that we just got a slam dunk!

 

[Warden of the North]

Lombardi said in a Cap system it is impossible to keep 2 No.1 Goalies, thus he was forced to move Bernier.

There is no way the Leafs are keeping both Reimer and Bernier for an extended amount of time, people need to stop drinking the koolaid.

If Reimer is not moved this summer, this might turn out to be a bad move, like Luongo and Schneider in Vancouver is right now.

Fuhr/Potvin and Potvin/Cujo didn't last long either, and there was no cap then.

People are not thinking long term and presently what the Bernier deal means to Nonis. It's all about assembling chips at the poker table.

Bernier isnt a number 1 goalie yet. We dont know what we have and as it stands, dont have any problems.

 

[onemorecup*]

Loved Matty Frattin with his speed on a better Kings team when he hits his prime 20-30 goals is not out of the question for Frattin.

The point can not be argued that if Scrivens turns out to be just as good as an unproven Bernier Nonis just gave away Frattin and a valuable 2nd round pick for nothing.

MLSE has Nonis on the hotseat after firing his boyfriend Burkey. 1st big trade Nonis makes he blows his brains out. Kings win this trade. This is a team that just won a Stanley Cup i highly doubt the Kings are dumb enough to trade Bernier for the Leafs package if they really felt Bernier could be a legit #1 NHL goalie Bernier would have garned a higher return from other NHL teams which they didn't get.

agreed I have nothing against Bernier and hope he does well but Philly got Mason last year who really is another Bernier " lets see what happens " player after a great rookie year

why didnt they overpay with a solid young kid like Cotourier ?

on the surface both teams got what they wanted

 

[Bomber0104]

Paid for potential, 100%. It's not bad value when you consider that Bernier could end up as a decent goalie. I dunno. Timing is weird.

I don't understand it either. Seems like too much risk for not enough reward when you weigh in what we spent. I'd understand a move like this if we needed a replacement for a Raycroft or Toskala type goalie.

 

[Woodman19]

Can someone fill me into what all the players involved are rated on the latest NHL console game?

I can bet the result of that is where you find the anger in many fans.

 

[showtime8]

I guess the trade goes something like this...

Is Scrivens or Bernier a better goalie?

Then you ask yourself how much better?

Then you ask yourself is that worth Matt Frattin and a 2nd round pick?

It only seems to add up to me if you know Bernier is going to be the real deal for us.

I have to disagree a bit here.

Although I do agree with you that you have to ask yourself if Bernier is better than Scrivens, you ultimately have to ask yourself how often a goalie as highly touted and sought after as Bernier comes available?

Then it becomes, how easily replaceable is Frattin?

And then is it worth Frattin and the pick?

While Frattin had a lot of tools, I think you could replace his offensive output with a free agent or someone in the system. For one, I could see Josh Leivo pushing for a spot in the Leafs lineup, but that's another topic.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Bernier isnt a number 1 goalie yet. We dont know what we have and as it stands, dont have any problems.

From all reports from reliable hockey people, it looks like he will be. And Bill Ranford also said if it wasn't for Bernier, LA might have not made the playoffs this season had he not come up big when Quick was off his game.

Bernier is not a #1G for only the reason of Quick, same as Rask was prior to this season. He's the real deal.

 

[Milan90]

The timing is really what gets me. Reimer showed that he could be a damn good starting goalie once the rumours of his impending replacement were gone (post trade deadline), and he was absolutely lights-out in the playoffs.

Having a 1a and 1b goalie doesn't work out. These guys get tired of deserving the #1 spot but always having to settle for being a part-time goaltender. If we want to succeed, we name a #1 clearly and let him play himself out of the job, kind of like MAF. You don't just keep experimenting and seeing which one makes a key mistake. That kills both goalies' confidence.

 

[zeke]

From all reports from reliable hockey people, it looks like he will be.

hopeflly it's not the same reliable hockey people who said that about similar-style&size Toskala.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

D'amigo may very well end up being a good pker at the NHL level, but I believe it will take a him a couple of years to raise his level of play. Komarov was 26 when he came here and had experiences in higher levels of hockey than Jerry, the KHL for instance. To expect a rookie to come in and be a very good pker in the NHL right away is unrealistic. I hope im wrong but I think he needs time.

Our top 2 PK forwards are still on the team. He has time to become top 2.