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LD Shayne Gostisbehere (2012, 78th, PHI)

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Jtown said:
that is true. His skating is what makes him a serious prospect.
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Plus his willing to never give up attitude. This kid will be a horse on the backend. His play to date has been way better than I hoped for. One day Sam and Ghost will be one heck of a pairing for the Flyers.
 
Tripod said:
My fear is that if they traded away Grossmann for example, then an injury happens to say MacDonald for example:

Coburn
Schenn
Streit
Ghost
MDZ
Schultz

Becomes our top 6. THEN try and figure out good pairings. Not good IMO. We would probably have to run with:
Streit Coburn
MDZ Schenn
Schultz Ghost

For me, I allow all the kids to stay in the AHL and be called up when injuries occur. That way they get lots of minutes, learn from Murray who stresses defense, but still can come up if needed. Then as the season moves on, we can always make a change if things are not working on the NHL club.
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If that were to happen I honestly would prefer Hagg be called up instead of using Schultz.
 
The Dream said:
Longevity doesn't mean good. Almost his entire career Gill was a pylon. At his best he was a decent player, but nothing more than that. Morin is a much more mobile player than Gill ever was. Outside of just being big, they don't really compare at all. That is like saying Gaudreau is similar to Nathan Gerbe

I think you need to stop being salty, over the fact that Flyer fans didn't value Sven Baertschi to highly in the Calgary-Philadelphia proposal.
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What? So you guys say Sven is a bust. I say he's like a guy who played 1100 games and I'm salty? Hmm. And Gill is no slouch. I'll admit morin is a better skater. But gill was a great d-man 5 on 5 and on the pk. He put up ~20 points a season on his prime. There is a reason he played 1100 games. It's not like Morin is going to score a lot. He will be good at 5 on 5 and the pk. If you get a Hal Gill type career then it's a success in my mind.

Morin just doesn't have the offensive ability to be compared to Chara, Myers or Pronger at this point. Not even close.
Trust me I've played centre my whole like and there is nothing scarier then big shutdown dmen. It's not a bad thing. In fact, they are very valuable players.
 
snipetype said:
What? So you guys say Sven is a bust. I say he's like a guy who played 1100 games and I'm salty? Hmm. And Gill is no slouch. I'll admit morin is a better skater. But gill was a great d-man 5 on 5 and on the pk. He put up ~20 points a season on his prime. There is a reason he played 1100 games. It's not like Morin is going to score a lot. He will be good at 5 on 5 and the pk. If you get a Hal Gill type career then it's a success in my mind.

Morin just doesn't have the offensive ability to be compared to Chara, Myers or Pronger at this point. Not even close.
Trust me I've played centre my whole like and there is nothing scarier then big shutdown dmen. It's not a bad thing. In fact, they are very valuable players.
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Don't get me wrong, there are worse things than Morin developing into a player like Gill. However, they just are not similar players. Morin is a great skater for his size. Gill, not so much. And don't forget a lot of Flyer fans like myself saw Gill play for the Flyers last year and, he was nothing more than a pylon.

Also I believe Morin has more offensive potential than you are giving him credit for. It is very unlikely that he he ever gets becomes as prolific offensively as Chara or Pronger. But, Morin has a bomb from the point and would fit well on a powerplay blasting onetimers. I don't think 30+ points in his prime is out of the question, whatsoever.
 
snipetype said:
What? So you guys say Sven is a bust. I say he's like a guy who played 1100 games and I'm salty? Hmm. And Gill is no slouch. I'll admit morin is a better skater. But gill was a great d-man 5 on 5 and on the pk. He put up ~20 points a season on his prime. There is a reason he played 1100 games. It's not like Morin is going to score a lot. He will be good at 5 on 5 and the pk. If you get a Hal Gill type career then it's a success in my mind.

Morin just doesn't have the offensive ability to be compared to Chara, Myers or Pronger at this point. Not even close.
Trust me I've played centre my whole like and there is nothing scarier then big shutdown dmen. It's not a bad thing. In fact, they are very valuable players.
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Well to be fair, Chara didn't have the offensive ability to be compared to top tier defenders at Morins age either
 
snipetype said:
Morin just doesn't have the offensive ability to be compared to Chara, Myers or Pronger at this point. Not even close.
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I think all/most Flyers fans would agree with you on that. But the Gill comparison is just off because of Morins skating. Personally, I'd say Morins high-end comparable is a better skating Derian Hatcher. A more reasonable comparison may be a meaner, more conisistently competitive, Coburn. He is still a rapidly developing kid. So it's just difficult to pinpoint a good comparable at this point.
 
Stizzle said:
I think all/most Flyers fans would agree with you on that. But the Gill comparison is just off because of Morins skating. Personally, I'd say Morins high-end comparable is a better skating Derian Hatcher. A more reasonable comparison may be a meaner, more conisistently competitive, Coburn. He is still a rapidly developing kid. So it's just difficult to pinpoint a good comparable at this point.
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Alright I can see the mean Coburn or faster Hatcher (I like that one the best). Those are a lot more realistic then Chara, Myers or others that have been mentioned. He's a great prospect, don't get me wrong, I just see him more as a defensive d-man. Not to say his offensive game can't keep developing.
 
snipetype said:
Alright I can see the mean Coburn or faster Hatcher (I like that one the best). Those are a lot more realistic then Chara, Myers or others that have been mentioned. He's a great prospect, don't get me wrong, I just see him more as a defensive d-man. Not to say his offensive game can't keep developing.
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I see him as a defensive defenseman also. If any significant offense develops it would just be icing on the cake. Fortunately for he Flyers, Ghost seems like a legit stud offensive defenseman and Sanheim should also be a significant contributor on the playmaking side. So, Morin won't be asked to carry much offensive load from the blueline.
 
Stizzle said:
I see him as a defensive defenseman also. If any significant offense develops it would just be icing on the cake. Fortunately for he Flyers, Ghost seems like a legit stud offensive defenseman and Sanheim should also be a significant contributor on the playmaking side. So, Morin won't be asked to carry much offensive load from the blueline.
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Yeah Ghost is a stud. He played against Johnny Hockey and they beat BC and Ghost had a very strong game. I always liked him for the US WJC team too. He's always very visible in a good way. He will obviously needs time to adjust to pro hockey defensively. But the guy had some wheels and great edgework.
I've only seen him 5 or 6 times. Who would you compare him to? he kind of reminds me of Justin Shultz coming out of college. And you have a good organization for developing prospects so he could be what Shultz should have been.
 
snipetype said:
Yeah Ghost is a stud. He played against Johnny Hockey and they beat BC and Ghost had a very strong game. I always liked him for the US WJC team too. He's always very visible in a good way. He will obviously needs time to adjust to pro hockey defensively. But the guy had some wheels and great edgework.
I've only seen him 5 or 6 times. Who would you compare him to? he kind of reminds me of Justin Shultz coming out of college. And you have a good organization for developing prospects so he could be what Shultz should have been.
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Not to correct you, but we don't really have a good organization for developing D. Partially because we always draft F in the 1st round and then traded away 2nd and 3rd rounders like playing cards.

Our last D to play any amount was Sbisa and really, he was traded before we really did anything to help him develop. No other defenseman we drafted in the past 11 years has played 100 games in the NHL.

Of course, if you ignore the last 3 drafts when we have focused on D, you see that:
Only Sbisa was drafted in the 1st round
And only 3 D were drafted in the 2nd round. They played 10 NHL games combined

It's hard to find studs on D when you only draft 4 guys in the 1st 2 rounds over 8 years.

Of course, during that time on F, we drafted:
Couturier, JVR, Giroux and Downie as 1st rounders with our other 4 picks we kept over those 8 years.

Anyways, as for comparison, I would say Schultz is close. But certainly we hope the defense is better. Having a little time in the AHL under coach Murray would be good for him.
 
Skinnyjimmy08 said:
wow is it ever ridiculously annoying how this is turning into a Morin thread....

Anyways back to Gost....is there any chance he beats out a Philly veteran for a spot?... I feel strongly that the plan is AHL for sure... but as of now, I cant see how Philly sends him down. He is earning a roster spot more and more every game and if he has another strong game next game and Phillys PP is dominating again, he will be extending his stay even longer and the Philly management will be even more confused what to do!!!!
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No I don't think so. He's played well but not well enough. I think it would have to take a ridiculously high (and consistently high) showing for him to make the top-6 and he hasn't had that yet. He's also not quite strong enough for the NHL game yet. With the right diet and workout and no college courses to worry about, I think he can pack on some muscle pretty easily with Lehigh Valley

I'd rather have Morin get some pro games under his belt to start the season before getting sent back to Rimouski. Ghost can be called up if needed. On top of that, I believe he only has 2 AHL games to his name and now a couple preseason games. The kid is special, but he needs a few more AHL games under his belt.
 
Gostisbehere would have to be completely lights-out in the next 3 games to even be considered IMO. He's looked very good but the Flyers are not going to rush their young defense.
 
Ya just let nature take its course and if he earns a spot, let him play.. no point of sending him down if he is helping his team win just cause everyone says "not to rush him"... a lot of players make that jump right away. Keep rolling with him as long as Philly wants and if/when he hits a funk, send him to AHL
 
Appleyard said:
High scoring NHL Dmen:

Karlsson: Started 1st pro year in AHL, was up fulltime within a month.

Letang: Started 1st pro year in AHL, was up fulltime within a month.

Weber: Started 1st pro year in AHL, halfway through the year he made it fulltime in the NHL.

Keith: 2 years AHL.

Subban: 1 year AHL.

Yandle: Most of his 1st year AHL, half his 2nd year AHL.

Wisniewski: Virtually 2 full years in the AHL, then 10 games to start 3rd year.

Suter: 1 year AHL.

Campbell: 2 and a half years AHL with stints in the NHL.

Kronwall: Half a year AHL, then lockout year AHL.

Chara: Half of first 2 seasons in AHL.

Markov: Started 1st season in AHL, was up within a few months.

Shattenkrik: Started 1st season in AHL, was up within a few months.

Green: Started 1st season in AHL, got up to NHL for last few months. 2nd season started in AHL, was up in a month.

Giordano: Virtually 2 full seasons AHL. Started his 3rd there as well.

Boyle: Virtually 2 full AHL seasons with intermittent call ups. Started 3rd in AHL as well.

Wideman: 1 full year AHL. Started 2nd in AHL.

OEL: Started in AHL, was up within a month.

Krug: Virtually 1 full year in AHL.

Goligoski: Pretty much 1 1/2 years in AHL.

Edler: Started 1st season in AHL, got up for last few months.

Barrie: Most of 1st season AHL, half of 2nd, some games last year as well.

Pietrangelo, Timonen, Burns, Fowler, Doughty and Hedman are pretty much the only higher scoring D men currently in the NHL who did not start their first season in the AHL.

If Ghost is too good he will show it and be up within a month. If the AHL was good enough for Subban, Keith, Karlsson, Letang, Suter, Weber, Shattenkirk, Yandle etc it is good enough for Ghost... he needs to get his confidence vs men and start to dominate without starting in the NHL and being sent down and being moved from pillar to post all year.

I'm excited about him as well... and if he has say 8 points through the first 10 AHL games and passes the eye test like Karlsson, OEL, Letang, Markov and Shattenkirk did, the by all means he should probably be in the NHL. But lets just see first before throwing him out on a 3rd pairing.
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Appleyard made a great post on the Flyers board. I am fine with Ghost in the AHL to start out.
 
snipetype said:
What? So you guys say Sven is a bust. I say he's like a guy who played 1100 games and I'm salty? Hmm. And Gill is no slouch. I'll admit morin is a better skater. But gill was a great d-man 5 on 5 and on the pk. He put up ~20 points a season on his prime. There is a reason he played 1100 games. It's not like Morin is going to score a lot. He will be good at 5 on 5 and the pk. If you get a Hal Gill type career then it's a success in my mind.

Morin just doesn't have the offensive ability to be compared to Chara, Myers or Pronger at this point. Not even close.
Trust me I've played centre my whole like and there is nothing scarier then big shutdown dmen. It's not a bad thing. In fact, they are very valuable players.
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Morin handles the puck very well, can initiate one hell of a breakout, and holds the offensive blue line like a 10 year vet. Not to mention that he has a rocket from the point.

He has a hell of a lot more offensive ability than you're giving him credit for. He's been a ppg playoff performer in juniors and over PPG (if I'm not mistaken) in the pp oppurtunities he's had.

He'll have the opportunity to be the #1 all around dman for rimouski this season, and he'll show that offensive side that he's seldom had the chance to work on, and you'll be singing a different tune.

Other than size, Morin and Gill are literally opposite players. Morin is actually a great skater, and not just "for his size" either. His skating is a legitimate tool. Gill might as well be skating on pancakes.
 
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