Toggle sidebar

LD Shayne Gostisbehere (2012, 78th, PHI)

  • Thread starter Thread starter SchennSational1022*
  • Start date Start date
  • Xenforo Cloud will be upgrading us to version 2.3.5 on March 3rd at 12 AM GMT. This version has increased stability and fixes several bugs. We expect downtime for the duration of the update. The admin team will continue to work on existing issues, templates and upgrade all necessary available addons to minimize impact of this new version. Click Here for Updates
Status
Not open for further replies.
mja said:
Morin may not be Chara or Pronger but his ceiling's a helluva lot higher than Hall Gill. Morin's a better skater than any of those other guys are/were.
Click to expand...

Umm Hal Gill was a 6'7 behemoth who play 1100+ games. He was an effective shutdown dman while killing penalties effectively. What more do you expect of morin?
 
snipetype said:
Umm Hal Gill was a 6'7 behemoth who play 1100+ games. He was an effective shutdown dman while killing penalties effectively. What more do you expect of morin?
Click to expand...

Regardless, his game is little like Gill's. I would say of the freaky tall defensemen, Myers is the most comparable as has been mentioned by some. The hallmark of these players is length and mobility.
 
snipetype said:
Morin is no pronger or chara. Try Hal gill
Click to expand...

Naa he's a much better skater. Gill has always been slow. He's much faster on his feet with a long quick stride and a hard slapshot. He's not Pronger, but the kid is a winner. Not a knock on Gill, but different type of players.
 
Sam Morin is Sam Morin.

There are not many guys to compare him to, honestly. How many 6'7" defensemen have been in the NHL? He's a fantastic straight line skater and his offensive game is underrated. And hes MEAN. That is what makes me most excited about this kid, he's no gentle giant. He's big he knows hes big and he has no problem ****ing you up if thats what your looking for, or not depending on how he feels at the moment. His knocks are his agility, he has slow feet when its about turning and moving quickly east west. This effects his ability to defend smaller, shiftier players.
 
I just popped in here to see what people are saying about Gostisbehere, didn't know this was a thread for Morin
 
boredmale said:
I just popped in here to see what people are saying about Gostisbehere, didn't know this was a thread for Morin
Click to expand...

Seriously. I love Morin and all, but keep that **** in his thread.

I'm all in favor of keeping ghost in the ahl for a year. If Murray can help him shape his defensive game, whats the rush?
 
Rob Paxon said:
Regardless, his game is little like Gill's. I would say of the freaky tall defensemen, Myers is the most comparable as has been mentioned by some. The hallmark of these players is length and mobility.
Click to expand...

I think Morin isn't a lot like Myers. Sure they both have size and skating, but that's about it.

It's pretty difficult to find the dynamic aspect from Morin's game. On the other hand, Morin plays a lot more safer game with less gaffes compared to Myers.

I would say that Morin is (more) like a meaner giant version of Mark Pysyk, which is not a bad thing at all.

Damned, just realised that this is a thread about Gostisbehere. :laugh:
 
Gostisbehere can sure skate. He also has a great feel for his own zone. Someone I enjoy watching as I did when he was at Union College. He could easily skate on the bottom pairing.
 
moorg said:
Seriously. I love Morin and all, but keep that **** in his thread.

I'm all in favor of keeping ghost in the ahl for a year. If Murray can help him shape his defensive game, whats the rush?
Click to expand...

I am fine with Ghost learning from Murray in the AHL. It will help him in the long run much more.

As for Morin, I see him being a mean Coburn. But the good news is, if the offense develops, then he jumps to Chara comparison. Hence why fans are excited.
 
Tripod said:
I am fine with Ghost learning from Murray in the AHL. It will help him in the long run much more.

As for Morin, I see him being a mean Coburn. But the good news is, if the offense develops, then he jumps to Chara comparison. Hence why fans are excited.
Click to expand...

The real question is does morin have franchise player potential?
 
wow is it ever ridiculously annoying how this is turning into a Morin thread....

Anyways back to Gost....is there any chance he beats out a Philly veteran for a spot?... I feel strongly that the plan is AHL for sure... but as of now, I cant see how Philly sends him down. He is earning a roster spot more and more every game and if he has another strong game next game and Phillys PP is dominating again, he will be extending his stay even longer and the Philly management will be even more confused what to do!!!!
 
Skinnyjimmy08 said:
wow is it ever ridiculously annoying how this is turning into a Morin thread....

Anyways back to Gost....is there any chance he beats out a Philly veteran for a spot?... I feel strongly that the plan is AHL for sure... but as of now, I cant see how Philly sends him down. He is earning a roster spot more and more every game and if he has another strong game next game and Phillys PP is dominating again, he will be extending his stay even longer and the Philly management will be even more confused what to do!!!!
Click to expand...

Hextall seems just so set on developing players through the AHL. I have no doubt Ghost could play at the NHL level right now and do well. He is a better player than L. Schenn, Grossmann, and even MacDonald, without a doubt.

He is certainly capable of playing himself onto the roster, so we will see.
 
One potential issue with Ghost not being a full time NHLer by the end of the season, is the incoming logjam of defenders.

Ghost/Hagg/Morin/Sanheim/Alt could all be NHL ready by 2015-2016.

Ghost is NHL ready. Hagg and Alt could play right now too. Sanheim has been progressing at an insane rate and could be ready for the NHL next year. It is possible he becomes a ppg in the WHL this year. Morin is more of a question mark. He is a guy who could possibly use some AHL seasoning to fine tune everything, but yea.

It would not be the smartest to have potential 3+ rookie defenseman playing at the same time, so I think it is important that the Flyers try to get at least one of these defenseman into the lineup by the end of the year, as long as they are ready.
 
Yeah, Ghost probably could do well at the NHL level right now, but I'd really hate to have him just skip the AHL all together. We haven't had good young defensemen like him coming up in our system since, well ever. I'd really hate to see a player of his skillset and smarts not reach his highest potential because he was fast tracked. I want him to get as good as he possibly can in the minors (which I doubt will take that long, probably not even a full season) then bring him up.
 
I think if Gostisbehere can keep up his play in the preseason and is impressive in the next couple of games than we're starting to get into the territory where the Flyers management has to search for reasons to send him down instead of coming up with reasons to keep him. He'll at least turn it into a serious discussion and, like Hextall said, there's always teams looking for defensemen so if they have the motivation to make room for him they probably can if they're willing to make a trade for less than peak value (which still isn't much with a player like Grossmann).

His best asset is what the Flyers were worst at last year, and that's quickly moving the puck out of the defensive zone. The Flyers defense isn't horrible all the time, but they get into serious trouble by getting trapped in their zone far too long because the people trying to move the puck are poor at it (I'm looking at you Grossmann and Schenn, you slow and clumsy boulders). Ghost isn't amazing defensively, but when you can move the puck like he does it's not as important since the time in their defensive zone would almost certainly be far shorter than if someone like Grossmann is on the ice.

If I were given the power to make this decision I really don't know what I would do. I'd obviously love to see him play in the NHL because I think he'd do well and he's incredibly entertaining to watch, but would that be what's best for him and the team? I think he's a better player than Grossmann already but would that swap make the team too small of defense? How would that shuffle around the pairs? I think Streit and MacDonald should be a pair and that would leave Coburn, Del Zotto, Schenn, and Ghost. Coburn is obviously on the top pair and Schenn would be on the bottom, but I don't think either Del Zotto or Schenn should be on the top pair right away when we have no idea how either of them will be. That's an issue, but I think Grossmann either being on the top pair or being paired with Schenn would be a certain disaster. Basically, I'm really happy this isn't up to me but I'm really interested to see what happens.
 
Striiker said:
I think if Gostisbehere can keep up his play in the preseason and is impressive in the next couple of games than we're starting to get into the territory where the Flyers management has to search for reasons to send him down instead of coming up with reasons to keep him. He'll at least turn it into a serious discussion and, like Hextall said, there's always teams looking for defensemen so if they have the motivation to make room for him they probably can if they're willing to make a trade for less than peak value (which still isn't much with a player like Grossmann).

His best asset is what the Flyers were worst at last year, and that's quickly moving the puck out of the defensive zone. The Flyers defense isn't horrible all the time, but they get into serious trouble by getting trapped in their zone far too long because the people trying to move the puck are poor at it (I'm looking at you Grossmann and Schenn, you slow and clumsy boulders). Ghost isn't amazing defensively, but when you can move the puck like he does it's not as important since the time in their defensive zone would almost certainly be far shorter than if someone like Grossmann is on the ice.

If I were given the power to make this decision I really don't know what I would do. I'd obviously love to see him play in the NHL because I think he'd do well and he's incredibly entertaining to watch, but would that be what's best for him and the team? I think he's a better player than Grossmann already but would that swap make the team too small of defense? How would that shuffle around the pairs? I think Streit and MacDonald should be a pair and that would leave Coburn, Del Zotto, Schenn, and Ghost. Coburn is obviously on the top pair and Schenn would be on the bottom, but I don't think either Del Zotto or Schenn should be on the top pair right away when we have no idea how either of them will be. That's an issue, but I think Grossmann either being on the top pair or being paired with Schenn would be a certain disaster. Basically, I'm really happy this isn't up to me but I'm really interested to see what happens.
Click to expand...

My fear is that if they traded away Grossmann for example, then an injury happens to say MacDonald for example:

Coburn
Schenn
Streit
Ghost
MDZ
Schultz

Becomes our top 6. THEN try and figure out good pairings. Not good IMO. We would probably have to run with:
Streit Coburn
MDZ Schenn
Schultz Ghost

For me, I allow all the kids to stay in the AHL and be called up when injuries occur. That way they get lots of minutes, learn from Murray who stresses defense, but still can come up if needed. Then as the season moves on, we can always make a change if things are not working on the NHL club.
 
With Ghost, Hagg, Alt, and maybe even Morin and Sanheim all getting closer to being NHL regulars, I think some have to be brought up soon. It could be a train wreck if none are brought up this year and then next year they all force there way onto the roster, having 3 or 4 rookies on defense would not be ideal.

Ghost: Early 14/15 season - either sticks with the team or gets called up a few weeks in

Hagg: Mid 14/15 - he's probabky to good to be playing in the ahl for long

Alt: start 15/16 - he could be playing now, he'll be a regular next season

That should hopefully mean that when Sanheim and Morin are ready they won't be coming in with 3 other rookies
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Latest posts

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Top Bottom