LD Olli Juolevi - TPS, Liiga (2016, 5th, VAN)

[JA]

 

[Lempo]

The disappointment aspect of this thread is pretty funny. It seems a decent amount of fans were really pushing that there was a 4/5 tier in this draft. Funny to also see some of those people back track now. The Puljujarvi slip baffled me, so maybe there was truly a 3/4 tier (I don't see it, I believe Columbus reached, or saw something they really didn't like about Puljujarvi). Its said that Edmonton had Sergachev high if Puljujarvi went, and its also said the Sabres had Nylander at 5, seems that the 4-11 was as jumbled as originally stated.

Emphasis on the consensus or the on-the-average listings fails to take in consideration that all the teams will draft by their own listing on their own turn. Outlier Columbus doing their thing with the third rocked it for the subsequent picks.

Jarmo did warn beforehand though that they were going to go against the conventional wisdom. He did claim though that Dubois was third on their own scouting list, but maybe the warning was about picking for need rather than BPA. It was reported in the Finnish press that they were shopping for a downgrade to 4th and 5th overall, but went with the 3rd in the end because they wouldn't have been guaranteed to get Dubois.

It would maybe make an interesting drafting strategy case study thread.

 

[UsernameWasTaken]

Emphasis on the consensus or the on-the-average listings fails to take in consideration that all the teams will draft by their own listing on their own turn. Outlier Columbus doing their thing with the third rocked it for the subsequent picks.

Jarmo did warn beforehand though that they were going to go against the conventional wisdom. He did claim though that Dubois was third on their own scouting list, but maybe the warning was about picking for need rather than BPA. It was reported in the Finnish press that they were shopping for a downgrade to 4th and 5th overall, but went with the 3rd in the end because they wouldn't have been guaranteed to get Dubois.

It would maybe make an interesting drafting strategy case study thread.

A basic point that far too many people don't seem to grasp.

 

[701]

they have both played the right side previously. Sbisa is a L shot R side guy, Trymakin played the R side in the KHL

Not to mention that Tryamkin played RD with the Canucks at the end of last season. That's where
he's comfortable, although he shoots L.

Sbisa shoots L but plays either side . . . kinda poorly, but with a high-IQ partner it can work.

Pedan is the lowest-ranked L side NHL D on the Canucks. Until Juolevi was drafted, Brisebois
was the strongest L side prospect, followed by Olson. Now there's Candella too.

So the L side currently is: Edler, Hutton, Sbisa, Pedan. Not much after that for current pro depth.
And the R side is: Tanev, Gudbranson, Tryamkin, Larsen, Biega. With Stecher and Subban as
serious AHL prospects, and Neill an AHL rookie this coming season.

Which leaves Juolevi with a great opportunity, either this year or next, on the thin L side. Brisebois
is a strong prospect there too, but needs a final year in the Q and a year in Utica at least. So there
was a clear need at LD, and thus a clear path for Juolevi to make the NHL in the near future.

 

[Canucks LB]

Vancouver apologists love the pick. The rest of the world would've taken Tkachuk.

have you missed this thread, 99% of the people here are talking how good this pick was for vancouver lol

 

[Curufinwe]

The Flyers would have taken Tkachuk, but only because we're loaded with LHD prospects.

 

[Zombotron]

A small update

 

[M2Beezy]

Unreal! Get the party started!!

Does this mean utica/vancity bound?

 

[KILLger]

Drafted out of the OHL.

No.

 

[93LEAFS]

Unreal! Get the party started!!

Does this mean utica/vancity bound?

No, he wasn't on loan like Honka or Alex Nylander. He was drafted as an OHL product.

 

[Breakers]

Unreal! Get the party started!!

Does this mean utica/vancity bound?

Why not have him develop in London?

Ideally it would go like this for Vancouver

16/17 = London
17/18 = AHL
18/19 = NHL

perfect development.

 

[93LEAFS]

Why not have him develop in London?

Ideally it would go like this for Vancouver

16/17 = London
17/18 = AHL
18/19 = NHL

perfect development.

Not an option, not AHL eligible til 2018/19. He was drafted out of the OHL and is an early birthday.

 

[Breakers]

Not an option, not AHL eligible til 2018/19. He was drafted out of the OHL and is an early birthday.

Ok

16/17 = London
17/18 = London & lose in first round of playoffs/ finish year in AHL if possible
18/19 = NHL

perfect development.

 

[NHL Dude 120]

Ok

16/17 = London
17/18 = London & lose in first round of playoffs/ finish year in AHL if possible
18/19 = NHL

perfect development.

This is London your talking about they dont do 1st round exits

 

[Territory]

With Vancouver's awful roster I could see him going back to London for 1 year then making the team. Much like Reilly did.

 

[Szechwan]

With Vancouver's awful roster I could see him going back to London for 1 year then making the team. Much like Reilly did.

Awful roster or not, they're pretty full on the back for the near future.

Edler-Tanev
Hutton-Gudbranson
Sbisa/Tryamkin/Larsson/Biega

He'll have as much time as he needs in the minors because that D-core is pretty young as it is.

 

[BB88]

I bet he's NHL player in 17-18 season, the thing Juolevi needs the most is gain strenght, the skill is there but another offseason to add weight and he'll win a roster spot.

 

[CanaFan]

Awful roster or not, they're pretty full on the back for the near future.

Edler-Tanev
Hutton-Gudbranson
Sbisa/Tryamkin/Larsson/Biega

He'll have as much time as he needs in the minors because that D-core is pretty young as it is.

Top 4 is fine but that bottom pair is a mess and honestly, Sbisa is no obstacle to Juolevi. Basically needs to improve his strength and weight in 2016-17 and, assuming he does, there isn't anything to keep him from winning a spot on the bottom pair (potentially with Tryamkin). Sbisa will be gone as soon as Benning finds a chump to dump him on (which admittedly will be tough) and Biega is AHL/fringe NHL depth. Larsson - who knows, will depend on the upcoming season but I don't see him as a sure bet either.

Not much blocking Juolevi to be honest.

 

[Nalyd Psycho]

Except the team will not feel any pressure to give him aten minute a game roster pot if he only beats out ten minute a night players.

 

[Josepho]

I thought he played very well last night and I thought his play reflected exactly how he's going to be in the NHL. He didn't make any eye-popping plays but he didn't make any mistakes and he made some very good passes. Aside from some slightly poor positioning on the third goal, he was sound in his own end. His steady defensive presence allowed Stecher to carry the puck through the neutral zone. In that sequence where the Canucks were cycling like hell in the neutral zone he made a few really good passes that showed off his vision. Definitely has some growing to do, but that's a good showing by an 18 year old defenceman. I hope we try pairing him with Subban against Winnipeg.

I still would've preferred Keller or Tkachuk, but a mobile and smart defenceman absolutely is a recipe for success.

 

[D0ctorCool]

I thought he played very well last night and I thought his play reflected exactly how he's going to be in the NHL. He didn't make any eye-popping plays but he didn't make any mistakes and he made some very good passes. Aside from some slightly poor positioning on the third goal, he was sound in his own end. His steady defensive presence allowed Stecher to carry the puck through the neutral zone. In that sequence where the Canucks were cycling like hell in the neutral zone he made a few really good passes that showed off his vision. Definitely has some growing to do, but that's a good showing by an 18 year old defenceman. I hope we try pairing him with Subban against Winnipeg.

I still would've preferred Keller or Tkachuk, but a mobile and smart defenceman absolutely is a recipe for success.

Nothing to add. Agree with everything here.

 

[leaflover]

I liked his game last night, even though that wasn't a particularly strong team San Jose iced it was still decent competition.
He fit in nicely and he earned himself a good chunk of ice time with solid play. I really like how he anticipates the play and how calm he plays in general. Kind of hoping he gets a look before returning to London.
Just wait until the kid fills that frame out and hones his skills to go along with the smarts he has already.

 

[Canucks LB]

His hockey iq is pretty ridiculous for his age.

He thinks the game like a 10 year vet.

Great game from him, and his 1st assist

 

[The Winter Soldier]

His hockey iq is pretty ridiculous for his age.

He thinks the game pike a 10 year vet.

Great game from him, and his 1st assist

I agree with this assessment, he makes the game look simple and easy. I think some people mistake less flash means less talent.

I'm just waiting for him to conquer the defensive part of the game, before he starts attacking the offensive side part. Juolevi has all the tools to be a #1, 2 way D man IMO.

 

[TeddyBare]

Back to London he goes