LD Olli Juolevi - TPS, Liiga (2016, 5th, VAN)

[Thegame]

Call me crazy, but I am hoping for more than a #2 d-man after finishing 28th in the NHL this year. Especially considering that we had our worst offensive season in franchise history and his teammate who outscored him by 150% went the very next pick.

Not sure if you're trying to make yourself look dumb or what.

You do realize Marner, Dvorak and Tkachuk were in on almost every point together? Which leaves barely any secondary assists for Juolevi. If Juolevi was on another team where the offense ran more through him I bet he would have put up more points.

Why would he try and be more offensive anyways on the Knights when he has that top line taking care of it. Not to mention it was his first season on NA ice, so I'm sure his main priority was defense.

He's also never scored under .5ppg and was ppg in a lot of the leagues he's played in...

Oh and another reason that top line was able to put up so many points is because Juolevi is so good at getting the puck up the ice quickly.

Sutter said he's impossible to forecheck, just like Duncan Keith or Doughty......

Man posts like this is why I never come here.

 

[clay]

Forward outscores defenseman.

In other news, the sky is blue.

I suppose there was a logical gap in my post that needed clarification and perhaps I shouldn't have related the two directly in terms of point production. I feel that his point totals should have been higher if he projects to be a #1 d-man. He played top unit PP and and #1 minutes on the Knights and was significantly under a PPG. That screams red flag to me in terms of overall potential, considering that he was on a PP unit with one of the most dominant lines in junior history.

 

[clay]

Not sure if you're trying to make yourself look dumb or what.

You do realize Marner, Dvorak and Tkachuk were in on almost every point together? Which leaves barely any secondary assists for Juolevi. If Juolevi was on another team where the offense ran more through him I bet he would have put up more points.

Why would he try and be more offensive anyways on the Knights when he has that top line taking care of it. Not to mention it was his first season on NA ice, so I'm sure his main priority was defense.

He's also never scored under .5ppg and was ppg in a lot of the leagues he's played in...

Oh and another reason that top line was able to put up so many points is because Juolevi is so good at getting the puck up the ice quickly.

Sutter said he's impossible to forecheck, just like Duncan Keith or Doughty......

Man posts like this is why I never come here.

Please see my previous post. I am not the only one who has this concern - it is not outlandish by any stretch.

 

[Thegame]

Please see my previous post. I am not the only one who has this concern - it is not outlandish by any stretch.

How do you expect him to get more points when those 3 took all of them?

He was also on the 2nd unit pp a lot of the time.

 

[thefeebster]

Not sure if you're trying to make yourself look dumb or what.

Man posts like this is why I never come here.

Then leave.

How do you expect him to get more points when those 3 took all of them?

He was also on the 2nd unit pp a lot of the time.

Incorrect. Juolevi got the bulk of the time on the 1st PP unit. He split on and off with Mete, but there is no doubt Juolevi got the majority and then some. If I had to break it down, 70% of the regular season had Juolevi on the top PP.

 

[pullyoursocksup]

I don' think he will make the team next year, but he if gains 20 pounds and has an excellent trainning camp he could make the team out of camp.

Our left side is
Edler
Hutton
??????

Right side is
Tanev
Gubranson
Sbisa/Trymakin/Larsen

you do realize that sbisa and tryamkin are L shot L side defensemen?

 

[pullyoursocksup]

Still very rattled at this pick. Yes he will be an NHLer but his ceiling is too low. If he had #1 potential, he would not have put up such mediocre numbers as the #1 option on that powerhouse Knights team.

top pairing Dman is NOT a low ceiling.

 

[pullyoursocksup]

Call me crazy, but I am hoping for more than a #2 d-man after finishing 28th in the NHL this year. Especially considering that we had our worst offensive season in franchise history and his teammate who outscored him by 150% went the very next pick.

A #2 dman is extremely valuable. I thought that a canucks fan would have particular knowledge of this considering the fact that there have been very few of them in the franchise over the last decade.

 

[Gstank]

you do realize that sbisa and tryamkin are L shot L side defensemen?

they have both played the right side previously. Sbisa is a L shot R side guy, Trymakin played the R side in the KHL

 

[aresknights]

Then leave. Incorrect. Juolevi got the bulk of the time on the 1st PP unit. He split on and off with Mete, but there is no doubt Juolevi got the majority and then some. If I had to break it down, 70% of the regular season had Juolevi on the top PP.

Being a season tic holder, wayching most home games live and every other game on PVR......
No joulevi was not #1 PP unit 70% of time. Definitely under 50% of time,probly 30%
Heck even Bouchard, a true rookie, took a turn in one playoff series being on first unit.

Joulevis O from the back end is fine despite his #s. As others have suggested the staff didnt need much O from the D.

And Mete/Martinet got a ton of ice with Marner/DVO/Tkachuk 5 on 5.

I wassurprised he went that early but the kids got skills.

 

[CloutierForVezina]

A #2 dman is extremely valuable. I thought that a canucks fan would have particular knowledge of this considering the fact that there have been very few of them in the franchise over the last decade.

Canucks have had a never ending parade of #2 defensemen over the last decade. Edler, Ehrhoff, Hamhuis, Salo, Mitchell, Ohlund, Bieksa and Garrison have all served as dependable #2 defensemen for stretches over the last 10 years.

What they've never had is a true #1 guy. I'd absolutely love if Juolevi develops into that, but it doesn't look like he'll end up as anything more than another name on our pile of #2 defensemen in our franchise's history.

 

[thefeebster]

Being a season tic holder, wayching most home games live and every other game on PVR......
No joulevi was not #1 PP unit 70% of time. Definitely under 50% of time,probly 30%
Heck even Bouchard, a true rookie, took a turn in one playoff series being on first unit.

Joulevis O from the back end is fine despite his #s. As others have suggested the staff didnt need much O from the D.

And Mete/Martinet got a ton of ice with Marner/DVO/Tkachuk 5 on 5.

I wassurprised he went that early but the kids got skills.

Not from what I saw. I have the games saved as well. Tell me which games where he wasn't used on the 1st PP and i'll rewatch. So who in the regular season was playing on the 1st unit then by your estimation? Because no way Mete got 70% of the 1st unit PP time when the 3 fwds were in the line up (IE not during the WJC break).

Bouchard received time on the 2nd PP during the regular season and in the one series during the playoffs.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Canucks have had a never ending parade of #2 defensemen over the last decade. Edler, Ehrhoff, Hamhuis, Salo, Mitchell, Ohlund, Bieksa and Garrison have all served as dependable #2 defensemen for stretches over the last 10 years.

What they've never had is a true #1 guy. I'd absolutely love if Juolevi develops into that, but it doesn't look like he'll end up as anything more than another name on our pile of #2 defensemen in our franchise's history.

True but if the honest potential of Juolevi is top pairing guy but not solid #1 then the honest potential of Tkachuk is a top line guy but not a driving force of the offence. I'd say both are equal in value. The difference being that defenseman are harder to get through trade or free agency. Positional value is the only difference between Tkachuk and Juolevi.

 

[JTmillerForA1stLOL]

It really doesn't matter who the canucks pick. It will always be the wrong choice.

 

[canucksfan100]

He's pretty much a weaker (in strength) Olli Maata with better hockey sense and agility. At the worst he'll be a below average #2, at best a very good #2. The o my legit #1 D in the NHL are Hedman Pietrangelo OEL Subban Doughty Keith Letang Suter McDonagh Karlsson Weber Giordano...12 legit #1 Defenseman RIGHT NOW (Chara is not a #1 anymore)

 

[keslerbomb]

After watching a few minutes of his highlights on youtube, it seems to me like he's a slightly better OEL.

 

[93LEAFS]

He was worthy of going 5, the belief that there was a strong top 5 consensus was not as clear cut as many posters made it out to be. Juolevi rarely wows you, but he's extremely solid, with a great pass and is very hard to forecheck. Didn't Benning compare him to Lidstrom at one point? He has some similar traits, so I'd say he has the potential to be a top defender in the league, and a "true" #1D

Really curios to what he can do when he adds some weight. As easy as it is to make fun of Benning, I don't think he deserves much scorn for this pick. Tkachuk is nice, but you already have Virtanen and Boeser in promising winger prospects, plus some hope with a young guy like Baertschi.

 

[thomast]

IMO the gap between Puljujärvi and Juolevi was smaller than Laine and Puljujärvi. I believe that Puljujärvi might have most of untapped potential of big 3 because he is bit raw and has incredible tools but right now Matthews and Laine are just different level players. Juolevi is to me closer to Puljujärvi. He is one of most intelligent defencemen i've seen in a while. He was the #1 D for gold winning Team Finland being underager breaking up some records and was on All-Star team. He was #1 guy defensively and offensively, led the orchestra with fast transition from D to O and was huge part of finnish success. I think he has chance to be similar kind of defenceman for VAN.

 

[Dropkick Murphy]

Juolevi is best young defenseman from Finland since Teppo Numminen. Better than Ristolainen, Vatanen or Määttä. Needs to bulk up and as always with prospects, nothing is guarenteed. Has all tools to became top 5 defender in the league, now it just up to him and Canucks organization to start honing those skills. I'm not saying that it's guaranteed he will became top5 guy, but building blocks clearly are there.

He and Aho were the brains and leaders of Finnish WJC-team, Puljujärvi and Laine were the muscle.

 

[TT1]

you guys got my 2nd favorite prospect (after PLD) from the draft, im so jealous .

he went 5th overall and hes still the most underrated prospect in the draft, casual draft fans always react this way to non-sexy picks (he doesnt score highlight reel goals like Sergachev!).

hockey fans and even scouts were saying Ekblad wouldnt be more than a #2-#3 dman in his draft year too.. yea, look at him now. Juolevi is too smart and he plays too efficiently not to be an NHL stud. Hes the type of player who can carry a d-core, he doesnt need to score highlight reel goals.

All throughout his career hes been playing against players 2-3 years older than him while playing big top pairing minutes and producing offensively, do you know how rare that is? He was Finlands #1 D at the u20's as a 17 year old..

 

[vaiski]

It's pretty funny how people in this thread literally look at his point totals and deem him to have a low ceiling. He's got great tools, he's smart, poised, agile, great passer, great positioning, great frame to build muscle on. He was The Guy on the WJC winning team. That team's defense was an absolute mess after Juolevi and he carried the back end as the second youngest guy on the team, after Puljujärvi, and as the youngest dman in the tournament. To me, his performance there was absolutely in the same category as the first line.

 

[Legend Leinonen]

This guy is sort of meh to me.

 

[thomast]

It's pretty funny how people in this thread literally look at his point totals and deem him to have a low ceiling. He's got great tools, he's smart, poised, agile, great passer, great positioning, great frame to build muscle on. He was The Guy on the WJC winning team. That team's defense was an absolute mess after Juolevi and he carried the back end as the second youngest guy on the team, after Puljujärvi. To me, his performance there was absolutely in the same category as the first line.

IMO, he was the anchor for first line. Most of the offense off the rush on that line was started by Juolevi from defensive zone after his defensive play and super fast transition from defense to foward in full stride into offense. That is crucial in the NHL.

 

[Legend Leinonen]

I'm sorry, I just can't get hard on this guy.

 

[vaiski]

IMO, he was the anchor for first line. Most of the offense off the rush on that line was started by Juolevi from defensive zone after his defensive play and super fast transition from defense to foward in full stride into offense. That is crucial in the NHL.

Yes, he was literally the only guy capable of safely handling the puck in the defensive zone and giving out a breakout pass. Saarijärvi was maybe the only other guy but even he had some terrible giveaways and defensive zone brainfarts. I think the strengths he has are tailor made for today's NHL.